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Post by Ranger John on Dec 8, 2017 20:55:48 GMT -5
Yahoo/APSo, CNN fabricates a story about Trump getting a document dump from Wikileaks before it's made publc.... and reality is Trump got the document dump after it became public. Will the media learn to stop destroying its own credibility regarding Trump? My bet is no.
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Post by palealeman on Dec 9, 2017 12:12:13 GMT -5
Yahoo/APSo, CNN fabricates a story about Trump getting a document dump from Wikileaks before it's made publc.... and reality is Trump got the document dump after it became public. Will the media learn to stop destroying its own credibility regarding Trump? My bet is no. And when will Trump stop destroying his own credibility by telling the truth? (My guess is never). Donald Trump -- Making America Hate Again! |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 9, 2017 13:10:06 GMT -5
Yahoo/APSo, CNN fabricates a story about Trump getting a document dump from Wikileaks before it's made publc.... and reality is Trump got the document dump after it became public. Will the media learn to stop destroying its own credibility regarding Trump? My bet is no. And when will Trump stop destroying his own credibility by telling the truth? (My guess is never). Donald Trump -- Making America Hate Again! We’ll never know. The media either won’t report it, or call the truth a lie (like Pence’s employment statement the other week), or they’ll hate him for it like when he called Jerusalem the capital of Israel. |
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Post by palealeman on Dec 9, 2017 14:58:31 GMT -5
Actually, RJ, I think Trump is succeeding in his quest to replace the media with himself as the fount of truth. Give him enough time, convince people that the "mainstream media" is not at all truthful, convince enough people that Trump is the main source of truth, and the authoritarianism and totalitarianism begins.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 9, 2017 16:42:08 GMT -5
Actually, RJ, I think Trump is succeeding in his quest to replace the media with himself as the fount of truth. Give him enough time, convince people that the "mainstream media" is not at all truthful, convince enough people that Trump is the main source of truth, and the authoritarianism and totalitarianism begins. Nah. It’s the media making Trump the font of truth. They’ve surrendered it to him. |
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Post by palealeman on Dec 9, 2017 17:47:23 GMT -5
I don't think the media has "surrendered" anything, RJ. I think it's all Trump. He continually lies, and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. He calls the media "fake news" and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. It's Trump changing the narrative and setting himself up as absolute truth.
What did he say about the tax bill? "Biggest tax cuts ever." False statement. "It hurts me and my family." False statement.
Face it, RJ. Trump is a detriment to America.
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Post by redleg on Dec 9, 2017 19:01:41 GMT -5
Yahoo/APSo, CNN fabricates a story about Trump getting a document dump from Wikileaks before it's made publc.... and reality is Trump got the document dump after it became public. Will the media learn to stop destroying its own credibility regarding Trump? My bet is no. And when will Trump stop destroying his own credibility by telling the truth? (My guess is never). Donald Trump -- Making America Hate Again! So, how does him telling the truth destroy his credibility? It was CNN that lied about the documents, and about the timeline for Trump, Jr and his emails. Same thing with the Deutche Bank "subpoena". They are doing their best to lie their way into a Pence Presidency, and it's backfiring every time. And it's the Party of the KKK that's Making America Hate Again. BLM, antifa, La Raza, and the Party of the KKK are all being paid by Soros to riot, shout down any speaker that doesn't comport with the Communist Manifesto, and obstruct any way they can. Like appointing a fake special counsel, who's only mission is to GET TRUMP. Not to find crimes, not to find out if Russia really did collude with the Party of the KKK and The Felon, only to "GET TRUMP" any way he can. If he has to make up "crimes", rewrite laws, or simply ignore the law, that's fine with the Party of the KKK. |
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Post by redleg on Dec 9, 2017 19:06:08 GMT -5
Actually, RJ, I think Trump is succeeding in his quest to replace the media with himself as the fount of truth. Give him enough time, convince people that the "mainstream media" is not at all truthful, convince enough people that Trump is the main source of truth, and the authoritarianism and totalitarianism begins. The fake news media is doing that for him. Since they lie every time they open their mouths, why should anyone believe a word they say? He, on the other hand, has been proven correct far more often after being accused of lying. It's your masters in the Party of the KKK that own the media, which is why they fabricate such outrageous lies time and again. They want totalitarianism, but only if THEY are the totalitarians. If they are the dictators. After all, it's not the Right that demands speakers be shouted down, or riots ensue. It's not the Right that's forcing bakers and photographers to violate their consciences, and do only what the Left tells them to do. It's not the Right that's demanding "safe spaces" and kicking kids out of college if they violate their puppy and coloring book areas. |
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Post by redleg on Dec 9, 2017 19:09:56 GMT -5
I don't think the media has "surrendered" anything, RJ. I think it's all Trump. He continually lies, and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. He calls the media "fake news" and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. It's Trump changing the narrative and setting himself up as absolute truth. What did he say about the tax bill? "Biggest tax cuts ever." False statement. "It hurts me and my family." False statement. Face it, RJ. Trump is a detriment to America. Nope. He tells the truth, and your propagandists call it lies. Remember when he said he was being spied on by The Puppet and his crime syndicate? And the fake news called him a liar? Remember when he said he would grow the economy at 3% or better, and the fake news called him a liar? Or when he said The Felon was a felon? And that Comey was a liar? All have been proven true. It's not Trump that's the detriment to America, it's the Party of the KKK and their racist, sexist, homophobic agenda. They wan't absolute uniformity, enforced at the barrel of a gun, but only if they hold the gun. As for the tax bill, it hasn't even been pushed to the House for reconciliation. What you are hearing are simply more lies and propaganda from the Party of the KKK, and their knee jerk reaction to anyone, especially those that pay most of the taxes, keeping a penny of their own money. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 10, 2017 8:59:49 GMT -5
I don't think the media has "surrendered" anything, RJ. I think it's all Trump. He continually lies, and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. He calls the media "fake news" and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. It's Trump changing the narrative and setting himself up as absolute truth. What did he say about the tax bill? "Biggest tax cuts ever." False statement. "It hurts me and my family." False statement. Face it, RJ. Trump is a detriment to America. I'm sorry, but as flawed as Trump is personally, he is needed to break the screwed up elitist group (call it the swamp, or the deep state, or whatever else you want) that has been attempting to rule this country. The media is so desperate to take him down, they lie about him constantly. The article in the OP being but the current example. All the phony conspiracy theories about the Russians are another. Reality is on Trump's side. ISIS is on the run, largely because unlike Obama, who thought he was a better military strategist than his military strategists, Trump decided to let the military be the military. The markets are soaring, unemployment is shrinking, and the media won't talk about any of this. But the voters know it, and more and more of them are realizing it every day. The Trump administration has been a breath of fresh air that this country hasn't experienced since Reagan. Personally, he's an incredibly flawed individual. There are lots of good reasons to think he sucks as an individual. But as a leader, he is far better than I had dared hope. |
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Post by redleg on Dec 10, 2017 23:03:38 GMT -5
I don't think the media has "surrendered" anything, RJ. I think it's all Trump. He continually lies, and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. He calls the media "fake news" and his followers eat it up as gospel truth. It's Trump changing the narrative and setting himself up as absolute truth. What did he say about the tax bill? "Biggest tax cuts ever." False statement. "It hurts me and my family." False statement. Face it, RJ. Trump is a detriment to America. I'm sorry, but as flawed as Trump is personally, he is needed to break the screwed up elitist group (call it the swamp, or the deep state, or whatever else you want) that has been attempting to rule this country. The media is so desperate to take him down, they lie about him constantly. The article in the OP being but the current example. All the phony conspiracy theories about the Russians are another. Reality is on Trump's side. ISIS is on the run, largely because unlike Obama, who thought he was a better military strategist than his military strategists, Trump decided to let the military be the military. The markets are soaring, unemployment is shrinking, and the media won't talk about any of this. But the voters know it, and more and more of them are realizing it every day. The Trump administration has been a breath of fresh air that this country hasn't experienced since Reagan. Personally, he's an incredibly flawed individual. There are lots of good reasons to think he sucks as an individual. But as a leader, he is far better than I had dared hope. Their real problem with him is that he's not an "insider". He's not the one their cabals had chosen, and the idea that the "Deplorables" would vote in someone they weren't told to vote in is heretical to their world view. We are all supposed to simply do what we are told, and shut up. This has really rocked their boat, and they are doing their best to destroy Trump by any means possible. Many of the policies he's proposed are ones that both the Party of the KKK and the RINOs supported, until Trump was elected. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 11, 2017 9:16:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but as flawed as Trump is personally, he is needed to break the screwed up elitist group (call it the swamp, or the deep state, or whatever else you want) that has been attempting to rule this country. The media is so desperate to take him down, they lie about him constantly. The article in the OP being but the current example. All the phony conspiracy theories about the Russians are another. Reality is on Trump's side. ISIS is on the run, largely because unlike Obama, who thought he was a better military strategist than his military strategists, Trump decided to let the military be the military. The markets are soaring, unemployment is shrinking, and the media won't talk about any of this. But the voters know it, and more and more of them are realizing it every day. The Trump administration has been a breath of fresh air that this country hasn't experienced since Reagan. Personally, he's an incredibly flawed individual. There are lots of good reasons to think he sucks as an individual. But as a leader, he is far better than I had dared hope. Their real problem with him is that he's not an "insider". He's not the one their cabals had chosen, and the idea that the "Deplorables" would vote in someone they weren't told to vote in is heretical to their world view. We are all supposed to simply do what we are told, and shut up. This has really rocked their boat, and they are doing their best to destroy Trump by any means possible. Many of the policies he's proposed are ones that both the Party of the KKK and the RINOs supported, until Trump was elected. There’s a lot of truth in this post, that will get ignored. The establishment failed to notice how unpopular it is, and most of that is caused by a the fact that it keeps failing to address problems (or makes them worse - see Obamacare). The media needs to become honest if it wishes to be influential. It’s current status as enemy of truth is killing it, and these wrong stories are not helping. |
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Post by palealeman on Dec 11, 2017 10:51:49 GMT -5
Did you like the Kool Aid, RJ? You're convinced that the media lies and that Trump (who lies always) and Fox and Brietbart (which both have a serious problem with the truth) are truthful. Since you believe the lies and ignore the truth, you're falling under Trump's spell on his way to imposing his authoritarian, totalitarian regime.
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Post by redleg on Dec 11, 2017 10:57:08 GMT -5
Did you like the Kool Aid, RJ? You're convinced that the media lies and that Trump (who lies always) and Fox and Brietbart (which both have a serious problem with the truth) are truthful. Since you believe the lies and ignore the truth, you're falling under Trump's spell on his way to imposing his authoritarian, totalitarian regime. You give no evidence that either Fox or Breitbart have ever "had serious problems with the truth", but worship at the altar of the fake news, who have lied far more often than they have told the truth about Trump. When they aren't outright lying, they simply hide, refuse to report, anything they don't like. Like the fact that The Puppet lied every time he opened his mouth, that he sent "envoys" to foreign countries as a candidate, but no one accused him of 'collusion', that he is a Muslim Communist, or that The Felon sold her office as Sec State, lied to both Congress and the FBI, and committed treason. Trump is destroying the dictatorship that The Puppet sought to impose, through EO's, and having his cabinet collude with Communist organizations like the Sierra Club, and other enviroNAZI organizations, BLM, antifa, and ACORN. But of course, since the fake news won't report any of that, it couldn't possibly be true. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 11, 2017 11:04:33 GMT -5
Did you like the Kool Aid, RJ? You're convinced that the media lies and that Trump (who lies always) and Fox and Brietbart (which both have a serious problem with the truth) are truthful. Since you believe the lies and ignore the truth, you're falling under Trump's spell on his way to imposing his authoritarian, totalitarian regime. Odd that you believe a man who (among other things) just reduced the size of two national monuments is trying to impose anything like a totalitarian regime. I don’t think “totalitarian” means what you think it means. |
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Post by redleg on Dec 11, 2017 11:13:35 GMT -5
Did you like the Kool Aid, RJ? You're convinced that the media lies and that Trump (who lies always) and Fox and Brietbart (which both have a serious problem with the truth) are truthful. Since you believe the lies and ignore the truth, you're falling under Trump's spell on his way to imposing his authoritarian, totalitarian regime. Odd that you believe a man who (among other things) just reduced the size of two national monuments is trying to impose anything like a totalitarian regime. I don’t think “totalitarian” means what you think it means. It's the new "RACIST!!!!" chant that they have developed, because they realize, finally, that the racism lies all in the Party of the KKK. So does the sexism, homophobia, and Islamophilia. They are for anything that destroys the country, and turns it into Mozambique, or Tunisia. |
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Post by palealeman on Dec 11, 2017 12:08:36 GMT -5
Did you like the Kool Aid, RJ? You're convinced that the media lies and that Trump (who lies always) and Fox and Brietbart (which both have a serious problem with the truth) are truthful. Since you believe the lies and ignore the truth, you're falling under Trump's spell on his way to imposing his authoritarian, totalitarian regime. Odd that you believe a man who (among other things) just reduced the size of two national monuments is trying to impose anything like a totalitarian regime. I don’t think “totalitarian” means what you think it means. Odd that you don't think so, RJ. Trump continues to set himself us as the truth in American, even though he doesn't appear to know what the word "truth" means. He demeans Congress, he demeans the Courts. He has to be in charge of everything. If anyone disagrees with him, they get demeaned and belittled. Trump wants to be in control of everything. Call it what you want, he wants to be the only government in America. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 11, 2017 13:01:58 GMT -5
Odd that you believe a man who (among other things) just reduced the size of two national monuments is trying to impose anything like a totalitarian regime. I don’t think “totalitarian” means what you think it means. Odd that you don't think so, RJ. Trump continues to set himself us as the truth in American, even though he doesn't appear to know what the word "truth" means. He demeans Congress, he demeans the Courts. He has to be in charge of everything. If anyone disagrees with him, they get demeaned and belittled. Trump wants to be in control of everything. Call it what you want, he wants to be the only government in America. What a silly thing to say. We’re not in this place because of Trump. The media’s bias and pro-left lies are an established pattern that goes back decades. Trump hasn’t started “Fact Check” outlets. That’s the media. And they get plenty of those stupidly wrong too (our conversation about Pence’s employment statement for example). It is the media that purports to be the fount of all truth and facts. Not Trump. They have squandered their credibility, and are now in the process of immolating the last tattered shreds of it with these endless wrong statements about Trump and Russia. Meanwhile most of Trump’s most significant actions have reduced, rather than expanded the role of the Federal Government. That is anti-authority and anti-totalitarian. But you get that exactly backwards too... precisely because you believe all of the lies coming from the press. |
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Post by palealeman on Dec 11, 2017 13:40:53 GMT -5
Like I said, RJ, you've drunk the Kool Aid. You're convinced that the media is biased and untruthful. That's your opinion. And, frankly, I think you're wrong. Most stories have at least 2 if not more sources to verify the facts presented. That's a lot more than Trump has.
Of course Trump has not started fact checking outlets. If he did, he'd be proven wrong almost always.
Trump's reducing the role of the Federal government remains to be seen. How many presidents have pledged to cut the size of the government only to have it increase?
The press has "squandered" its credibility? I doubt it. I think that view holds only on the far right and alt-right of the political spectrum -- where every word that Trump utters is seen as truth and not as the lie that it constantly is.
But keep believing in Trump. Keep your head in the sand (or some other small dark place). Maybe you'll wake up before it's too late for our country.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 11, 2017 13:57:18 GMT -5
Like I said, RJ, you've drunk the Kool Aid. You're convinced that the media is biased and untruthful. That's your opinion. And, frankly, I think you're wrong. Most stories have at least 2 if not more sources to verify the facts presented. That's a lot more than Trump has. Of course Trump has not started fact checking outlets. If he did, he'd be proven wrong almost always. Trump's reducing the role of the Federal government remains to be seen. How many presidents have pledged to cut the size of the government only to have it increase? The press has "squandered" its credibility? I doubt it. I think that view holds only on the far right and alt-right of the political spectrum -- where every word that Trump utters is seen as truth and not as the lie that it constantly is. But keep believing in Trump. Keep your head in the sand (or some other small dark place). Maybe you'll wake up before it's too late for our country. Most people have a very dim view of the media’s credibility. news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspxIt’s at 30% with independents (and only 51% amongst Democrats). If you want to be part of the 32% that still have their heads in that small dark place, that doesn’t bother me any. I’ve known you live in a bubble for a very long time. |
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Post by palealeman on Dec 11, 2017 14:59:32 GMT -5
The poll says that most people don't trust the media. It doesn't make the media inaccurate. It's about perception. When you have "announcers"yy and "Pundits" and "experts" on Fox continually claiming that they are accurate and the rest of the media is not, trust drops. When you have a Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and other stuffed shirts expounding their opinion and fact and questioning everything that disagrees with their opinion, people lose trust. Your link shows that the vast majority of Republicans -- the people who watch Fox and listen to Brei0tbart and Limbaugh -- who don't trust the media. And, listening to Fox and Limbaugh, I don't blame them. The information they're receiving is completely inaccurate.
Your logic is faulty, RJ.
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Post by palealeman on Dec 11, 2017 15:02:56 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 11, 2017 15:14:16 GMT -5
You think that’s what it says? That survey put The Blaze (Glenn Beck) ahead of the New York Times. |
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 11, 2017 22:01:28 GMT -5
So, here's the difference between CNN lies and Trump lies.. Vogue has a short list of Trump's worst lies here: www.vogue.com/article/donald-trump-lies-200-daysIts a few months old, and I'm sure there are new ones, but here's the thing: the lies are all about trivial crap. Largest inauguration crowd ever, Scarborough begging to visit Mar-a-Lago. Crap that affects almost no one in a significant way. Not like, for example, "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" or "Benghazi happened because of a bigoted YouTube video." Its a truism that all politicians lie. And that certainly includes Trump. But unlike Obama, Trump doesn't lie about important stuff that impacts millions of people. Or at least he hasn't yet. As for CNN, and the rest of the media, the reason they exist is to try to keep politicians honest. They can't do that if they're not honest. The media lied FOR Obama. Many backed him up when he said "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" until the lie became so obvious they couldn't cover for him anymore. Now they lie about Trump to try and take him out. When you think "biggest inauguration crowd ever" belongs on a top 25 list of Trump's biggest lies.... That that is a major story... You're full of crap and can't be taken seriously. No one cares how many people came to the inauguration. That has literally zero impact on anyone. This is the nonsense the media think is important now. It covered for Obama, and it freaks out about meaningless nonsense coming from Trump. CNN can't do that if it wants to be taken seriously. Oh, and Trump's Twitter feed? Its effing TWITTER. A service that exists for the sole purpose of allowing idiots to spew gibberish. No one should take anything in there seriously. Trump's feed isn't any different than any other idiot's. And yes, that means I think less of you if you're on Twitter. |
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Post by kemmer on Dec 11, 2017 23:53:25 GMT -5
The Baltimore Sun lost me when they failed to disclose Glendenning's financial shenanigans, lest he lose the election. They actually admitted sitting on that story.
I'm very disappointed in The Washington Post lately. They seem a bit too eager to put up headlines that must be retracted later. Even the New York Times is losing its "paper of record" status. I most trust The Wall Street Journal. Their editorial page is unabashedly "conservative", but their news reporting tends to be centrist. (One study noted that "even they" consulted more liberal than conservative sources for news. Of course, that was done during the Obama administration, when so many reliable sources were liberal.)
The truth is, we must have reliable news outlets that fact-check before they go to press. That includes considering what some random "leaker's" agenda might be. I suppose speed trumps accuracy these days, but DC is filled with political operatives eager to play "bluff the reporter". A healthy skepticism would serve reporters, and their public, well. Given the amount of pure lunacy available on the internet, we need SOME news source that deliberately avoids "tabloid crap."
Caveat: I don't watch Fox, CNN, or MSNBC. (Okay, I did watch all three last summer, but only because my daughter lives in Florida in the path of two hurricanes this year. I've never watched their regular coverage.) I've never read The National Enquirer either.
I used to watch the nightly news on NBC, CBS, and PBS's News Hour. These all present themselves as "objective reportage of genuine news". I rarely do, now. At first, it was all that stuff about Lindsey Lohan turning me off, and then some beauty queen who'd married an old man with a lot of money. (Sorry, the details escape me. Maybe there was a contested will? Maybe he'd been murdered? I dunno. It was a huuuge story, though.) Anyways, so much time on so much tabloid crap was depressing. However, I continued to watch, amazed that they all seemed to cover the identical three main stories, and sometimes finished with the same "kitten up a tree" feel-good filler in the final minute. Did they all meet for lunch to decide? Was there a committee of "THEY" (the seven grey men who secretly run the world) handing them their stories? "Enquiring (sic) minds want to know."
I noticed that, back when the ACA was still under discussion, every mention of it was preceded by a vignette of some lovely person/family that needed health insurance. That was followed by "news" that basically said "Congress is going to vote on this, one day." What, exactly "this" might be was pretty much left out.
The coverage of the financial crisis really turned me off. Again, every mention was preceded by a lovely, middle-class family whose mortgage was now "underwater". Sometimes it was an innocent minority duped (because we all know how easy it is to dupe a minority, poor little things that they are) into buying a mansion they couldn't afford. Sometimes it was a "single mom" (also an easily duped "poor little thing.") Then there was a story about the pain the collapse of housing prices was causing, with a tiny bit (easily digestible to viewers, "poor little things" that we are?) of actual news-- mostly posturing by various senators.
Never once did I see a story preceded by a vignette of a young guy, in a nice suit, saying, "I borrowed money to buy four, ocean-front condos in Florida, planning to flip them all in two months. Now the building isn't even finished-- and the damn bank wants its money back!"
You know what I think? I think the people designing those broadcasts weren't aware that they were actually taking an editorial position on the stories they were covering. I don't even think they were thinking about ratings (except for the "sexy celebrity females acting badly stuff", of course.) I think they believed their viewers required "people they could relate to" in order to actually watch. After all, when you dig into all the details of both the ACA and the financial crisis created by the housing bubble collapse...well...
OMIGOD! THAT'S A WHOLE LOT OF MATH!
(Everyone in mainstream broadcasting knows we "poor little things" are deplorable at math.)
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