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Post by kemmer on Jan 8, 2018 23:17:54 GMT -5
She's a "one-percenter", which makes her problematic for the Dems, but lessee how she stacks up...
The Donald was famous as a tee-vee star. She's got that, PLUS her show actually addressed current topics.
The Donald presents himself as a business maven. Hoo-boy, hard to beat Oprah on that. She started out as a low-level, fill-in news person in Baltimore. She built herself an empire...without declaring bankruptcy multiple times (while walking away still rich.)
The Donald was a political outsider. So is Oprah. (Plus, I'm not sure how much of an "outsider" one can be while doing huge, real-estate deals. Ever try to get a permit to remodel a house in Baltimore City? I have.)
The Donald is brash, vulgar, egotistical-- larger than life,and damn proud of it. Oprah always seems dignified, even when she's admitting her life-long issue with weight gain.
She can play the "black card"-- as a black person who made it off the usual political, "community organizer" path. (It wouldn't be a bad thing for the millions of successful, middle-class black Americans to be noticed in our political debate. Gods know the "ghetto" class gets plenty of ink.)
She can play the "woman card"-- without the baggage of a husband's sexual predation. Plus, women actually like her-- at least, compared to Hillary. (It's probably that weight thing.) I'd bet men like her better than they like Hillary, too.
Then, there's the real issue: It's been said we vote for the person we'd most like to have a beer with. I've often said that Oprah's so successful because she seems like she'd be a good person have in the group if you're ever stranded at the airport for fifteen hours because flights are cancelled. Okay, she probably prefers wine, but then, so do a lot of voters. And she'd probably pay for the bottle.
I'd say she'd be a very interesting candidate.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 9, 2018 7:45:08 GMT -5
She's a "one-percenter", which makes her problematic for the Dems, but lessee how she stacks up... The Donald was famous as a tee-vee star. She's got that, PLUS her show actually addressed current topics. The Donald presents himself as a business maven. Hoo-boy, hard to beat Oprah on that. She started out as a low-level, fill-in news person in Baltimore. She built herself an empire... without declaring bankruptcy multiple times (while walking away still rich.) The Donald was a political outsider. So is Oprah. (Plus, I'm not sure how much of an "outsider" one can be while doing huge, real-estate deals. Ever try to get a permit to remodel a house in Baltimore City? I have.) The Donald is brash, vulgar, egotistical-- larger than life,and damn proud of it. Oprah always seems dignified, even when she's admitting her life-long issue with weight gain. She can play the "black card"-- as a black person who made it off the usual political, "community organizer" path. (It wouldn't be a bad thing for the millions of successful, middle-class black Americans to be noticed in our political debate. Gods know the "ghetto" class gets plenty of ink.) She can play the "woman card"-- without the baggage of a husband's sexual predation. Plus, women actually like her-- at least, compared to Hillary. (It's probably that weight thing.) I'd bet men like her better than they like Hillary, too. Then, there's the real issue: It's been said we vote for the person we'd most like to have a beer with. I've often said that Oprah's so successful because she seems like she'd be a good person have in the group if you're ever stranded at the airport for fifteen hours because flights are cancelled. Okay, she probably prefers wine, but then, so do a lot of voters. And she'd probably pay for the bottle. I'd say she'd be a very interesting candidate. She would certainly bring a degree of decorum to the presidency and the media that is currently sorely lacking, and the Democrats do not have any other obvious candidates. But I don’t think she’s radical enough to win the Dem base, she’d have a better shot as a Republican. Much will depend on what happens with the economy and the rest of the world over the next 2-3 years. For all of Trump’s personal jack-assery, I think he’s brought about a lot of positive things. The economy is improving. He’s been picking good judges for the federal bench, and I think he’s struck the right chord with North Korea. He’s just crazy enough the Chinese can’t depend on him not starting a war on their border, which was much needed. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 9, 2018 10:05:30 GMT -5
She doesn't seem to have the skeletons that most proposed candidates have, but after the disaster of The Puppet, voters might be leery of electing another Leftist, even a black woman. Of course, the Dems are chomping at the bit to have her in, since they could not only use race, but sex to shut down any and all criticism of anything she wanted to do.
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Post by demopublican on Jan 9, 2018 12:57:49 GMT -5
If the Democrats nominate Oprah I’ll vote third party. This is not a game
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 9, 2018 13:31:41 GMT -5
She doesn't seem to have the skeletons that most proposed candidates have, but after the disaster of The Puppet, voters might be leery of electing another Leftist, even a black woman. Of course, the Dems are chomping at the bit to have her in, since they could not only use race, but sex to shut down any and all criticism of anything she wanted to do. That’s just it. I don’t think she’s THAT leftist. She’s been too successful and self-made to be a socialist. I think she’s pro abortion, and probably relatively left on social issues. But I suspect she sees the tax code as a way to fund government not primarily an instrument of social justice. |
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Post by breakingbad on Jan 9, 2018 15:39:38 GMT -5
I predict that she will be our next president. Unless we have three more years of the same success we had in 2017 she will beat Trump in the biggest landslide we have ever seen.
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Post by redleg on Jan 10, 2018 9:34:02 GMT -5
She doesn't seem to have the skeletons that most proposed candidates have, but after the disaster of The Puppet, voters might be leery of electing another Leftist, even a black woman. Of course, the Dems are chomping at the bit to have her in, since they could not only use race, but sex to shut down any and all criticism of anything she wanted to do. That’s just it. I don’t think she’s THAT leftist. She’s been too successful and self-made to be a socialist. I think she’s pro abortion, and probably relatively left on social issues. But I suspect she sees the tax code as a way to fund government not primarily an instrument of social justice. I'm not so sure about that, but we'll just have to wait and see whether she really runs, and if so, what her platform is. |
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Post by microg on Jan 10, 2018 11:02:29 GMT -5
I think Oprah's endorsement of Barrack Obama was influential in him becoming president. Does she still have that degree of influence today? How would Oprah's experiences help her in foreign relations, protecting our country, protecting and upholding the U.S. constitution?
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 10, 2018 13:01:43 GMT -5
That’s just it. I don’t think she’s THAT leftist. She’s been too successful and self-made to be a socialist. I think she’s pro abortion, and probably relatively left on social issues. But I suspect she sees the tax code as a way to fund government not primarily an instrument of social justice. I'm not so sure about that, but we'll just have to wait and see whether she really runs, and if so, what her platform is. I would be interested to see how she runs. The last two Democrats were literally only about their skin color and genitalia... and punishing anyone who didn’t share that skin color and genitalia. Oprah could run that way. Or she might show a little more depth. If she’s only skin/genital deep, she loses. If she makes an effort to move beyond that, she has a chance. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 10, 2018 20:43:07 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about that, but we'll just have to wait and see whether she really runs, and if so, what her platform is. I would be interested to see how she runs. The last two Democrats were literally only about their skin color and genitalia... and punishing anyone who didn’t share that skin color and genitalia. Oprah could run that way. Or she might show a little more depth. If she’s only skin/genital deep, she loses. If she makes an effort to move beyond that, she has a chance. If she runs, she has a chance, just based on name recognition. Whether she will have a Marxist agenda, like the rest of the Democrat Party, remains to be seen. Unless the Party of the KKK is willing to move to reality, she will have to run as a Marxist or won't ever get the nomination. |
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Post by 3000fps on Jan 11, 2018 2:34:03 GMT -5
Okra did like going to the Rev Wrights so called church until he was exposed.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 11, 2018 7:47:24 GMT -5
I would be interested to see how she runs. The last two Democrats were literally only about their skin color and genitalia... and punishing anyone who didn’t share that skin color and genitalia. Oprah could run that way. Or she might show a little more depth. If she’s only skin/genital deep, she loses. If she makes an effort to move beyond that, she has a chance. If she runs, she has a chance, just based on name recognition. Whether she will have a Marxist agenda, like the rest of the Democrat Party, remains to be seen. Unless the Party of the KKK is willing to move to reality, she will have to run as a Marxist or won't ever get the nomination. It will also depend on how the economy goes over the next 18 months. "It's the economy, stupid" is a powerful campaign plank. Especially if all Oprah puts up is "but I'm a black woman." Race and sex isn't important to many people outside the Democrat base (where its the only thing that matters). |
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Post by redleg on Jan 11, 2018 10:17:48 GMT -5
If she runs, she has a chance, just based on name recognition. Whether she will have a Marxist agenda, like the rest of the Democrat Party, remains to be seen. Unless the Party of the KKK is willing to move to reality, she will have to run as a Marxist or won't ever get the nomination. It will also depend on how the economy goes over the next 18 months. "It's the economy, stupid" is a powerful campaign plank. Especially if all Oprah puts up is "but I'm a black woman." Race and sex isn't important to many people outside the Democrat base (where its the only thing that matters). She has proven to be a brilliant businesswoman, but whether that could translate into politics is another question. Trump managed it, but if his policies go south, I don't think there's any way we elect another non politician for at least a generation. Although, that's exactly what we need, a hard headed, non pol conservative. The problem is, we have to get rid of at least half of Congress before anything any real conservative can get much of anything accomplished. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 11, 2018 11:50:15 GMT -5
It will also depend on how the economy goes over the next 18 months. "It's the economy, stupid" is a powerful campaign plank. Especially if all Oprah puts up is "but I'm a black woman." Race and sex isn't important to many people outside the Democrat base (where its the only thing that matters). She has proven to be a brilliant businesswoman, but whether that could translate into politics is another question. Trump managed it, but if his policies go south, I don't think there's any way we elect another non politician for at least a generation. Although, that's exactly what we need, a hard headed, non pol conservative. The problem is, we have to get rid of at least half of Congress before anything any real conservative can get much of anything accomplished. No argument with any of this. Let’s hope Trump’s policies continue to create the economic growth they appear to be creating. For everyone’s sake. Well... except the Democrats. If the economy booms, they’re screwed. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 11, 2018 12:51:12 GMT -5
She has proven to be a brilliant businesswoman, but whether that could translate into politics is another question. Trump managed it, but if his policies go south, I don't think there's any way we elect another non politician for at least a generation. Although, that's exactly what we need, a hard headed, non pol conservative. The problem is, we have to get rid of at least half of Congress before anything any real conservative can get much of anything accomplished. No argument with any of this. Let’s hope Trump’s policies continue to create the economic growth they appear to be creating. For everyone’s sake. Well... except the Democrats. If the economy booms, they’re screwed. It's not just the economy. NK is having talks with SK for the first time in over 2 years, BREXIT is moving forward and Britain is experiencing a manufacturing boom, Russia and China both are realizing that their economies are tied to ours, and if they really want to have problems, force us to cut imports. He's done a pretty good job in foreign policy as well. If he holds to his promise to build the wall, and doesn't cave on DACA, I think he will be a 2 term President. If not, all bets are off, no matter who runs against him. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 11, 2018 15:15:57 GMT -5
No argument with any of this. Let’s hope Trump’s policies continue to create the economic growth they appear to be creating. For everyone’s sake. Well... except the Democrats. If the economy booms, they’re screwed. It's not just the economy. NK is having talks with SK for the first time in over 2 years, BREXIT is moving forward and Britain is experiencing a manufacturing boom, Russia and China both are realizing that their economies are tied to ours, and if they really want to have problems, force us to cut imports. He's done a pretty good job in foreign policy as well. If he holds to his promise to build the wall, and doesn't cave on DACA, I think he will be a 2 term President. If not, all bets are off, no matter who runs against him. While these are important, I don’t think the typical American voter cares much one way or the other about the Norks or Brexit. For most it comes down to Reagan’s question: are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? Except for people for whom identity is all consuming, Trump’s first year has been an auspicious start. Especially after he got the tax overhaul through. |
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Post by redleg on Jan 12, 2018 13:02:45 GMT -5
It's not just the economy. NK is having talks with SK for the first time in over 2 years, BREXIT is moving forward and Britain is experiencing a manufacturing boom, Russia and China both are realizing that their economies are tied to ours, and if they really want to have problems, force us to cut imports. He's done a pretty good job in foreign policy as well. If he holds to his promise to build the wall, and doesn't cave on DACA, I think he will be a 2 term President. If not, all bets are off, no matter who runs against him. While these are important, I don’t think the typical American voter cares much one way or the other about the Norks or Brexit. For most it comes down to Reagan’s question: are you better off now than you were 4 years ago? Except for people for whom identity is all consuming, Trump’s first year has been an auspicious start. Especially after he got the tax overhaul through. Entirely true. However, NK may become an all encompassing issue, if they 'accidentally' drop one of their missiles on Japan, or China. After all, they already bombed one of their own cities. |
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