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Post by Ranger John on Jun 6, 2018 15:05:46 GMT -5
Sorry, RJ, not a wealthy person. Just someone trying to make ends meet. Who cares deeply and passionately about whether some NFL players visit the White House.
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Post by palealeman on Jun 6, 2018 19:02:26 GMT -5
No, RJ, I don't care if the Eagles go to the White House or not. I care more about a failing president uninviting them and using a lie as his excuse. But Trump is all about himself, not the country, as he continues to prove.
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Post by redleg on Jun 6, 2018 22:02:54 GMT -5
So today, RJ, we get another twist. The failing president "uninvites" the Eagles to the White House, saying it's because they, along with other NFL teams, refused to stand for the anthem. In fact, the Eagle players all stood during the anthem during all games in the 2017 season. The fact is that many of them just don't want to be seen with the failing president. You want to try to explain why the failing president's tweets on this matter -- claiming the Eagles did not stand for the anthem -- are not lies on his part? I'm looking forward to how you spin this one. Again, why should he 'invite' a team in which only about 10 players even said they would attend? Besides, you still haven't figured out that The Puppet is no longer the alleged President, Trump is. Therefore, we no longer have a failing President.
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Post by kemmer on Jun 6, 2018 23:14:06 GMT -5
Redleg, the team had already been invited. Why disappoint the 10 who wanted to attend? The whole "uninvite" thing reeks of schoolboy pettiness. (I won't even go to replacing it was some "We're REAL patriots, rah,rah,rah" event.)
You'd think, with all the huge egos involved in these teapot tempests, someone would be big enough to stand above the fray. In this case, it seems to be the players who said they would attend.
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Post by redleg on Jun 6, 2018 23:18:30 GMT -5
Redleg, the team had already been invited. Why disappoint the 10 who wanted to attend? The whole "uninvite" thing reeks of schoolboy pettiness. (I won't even go to replacing it was some "We're REAL patriots, rah,rah,rah" event.) You'd think, with all the huge egos involved in these teapot tempests, someone would be big enough to stand above the fray. In this case, it seems to be the players who said they would attend. Granted, however, the fact that the entire team was invited, and only 10, maybe, said they would attend means that nearly the entire team was snubbing the President. From one report I read, only 1 actually planned to come. As for the event that took it's place, why not have a celebration of the country? There were people that had already planned to be there, to meet the Eagles, so why disappoint them?
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Post by kemmer on Jun 7, 2018 0:44:10 GMT -5
Ummm... if they came to see the Eagles, let the Eagles disappoint them.
Seriously, the POTUS of the USA really should be above being snubbed by measly football players. (After all, he has fellow heads of states available to snub him.)
It's become an American tradition to invite members of a winning team to the White House to be congratulated. Lots of traditions are silly, when one thinks about them, but they're fun. Having fun is good for us in an "outside of politics" bonding kinda way.
Just saying, it shouldn't be POTUS who sullies that tradition. If the players want to do that, let them take the heat.
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 7, 2018 7:35:15 GMT -5
No, RJ, I don't care if the Eagles go to the White House or not. I care more about a failing president uninviting them and using a lie as his excuse. But Trump is all about himself, not the country, as he continues to prove. Then why did you bring it up?
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Post by palealeman on Jun 7, 2018 17:47:26 GMT -5
If you'd read (which I know is hard for you), you'd learn that I brought this up in the context of the failing president "bending" the truth again. The failing president continues to lie and to call anything he disagrees with "fake news," when, in fact, most the fake news is what comes out of his mouth and from his sources like Fox, Breitbard, the Federalist, and the National Review. But you unthinking partisans continue to take what he says as the gospel truth. You continue to prove that you have no idea what truth is. But that's what we've com. to expect from you.
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Post by redleg on Jun 7, 2018 19:31:15 GMT -5
Ummm... if they came to see the Eagles, let the Eagles disappoint them. Seriously, the POTUS of the USA really should be above being snubbed by measly football players. (After all, he has fellow heads of states available to snub him.) It's become an American tradition to invite members of a winning team to the White House to be congratulated. Lots of traditions are silly, when one thinks about them, but they're fun. Having fun is good for us in an "outside of politics" bonding kinda way. Just saying, it shouldn't be POTUS who sullies that tradition. If the players want to do that, let them take the heat. There has been at least one report that the Eagles decided to try to postpone the event until next week, when Trump will be at the summit with NK. If that's true, again, why should he put up with it? It has been the Eagles that made it political, not Trump. They are the ones that said they wouldn't attend. He's moved on, it's the media that's still pushing it.
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Post by redleg on Jun 7, 2018 19:33:08 GMT -5
If you'd read (which I know is hard for you), you'd learn that I brought this up in the context of the failing president "bending" the truth again. The failing president continues to lie and to call anything he disagrees with "fake news," when, in fact, most the fake news is what comes out of his mouth and from his sources like Fox, Breitbard, the Federalist, and the National Review. But you unthinking partisans continue to take what he says as the gospel truth. You continue to prove that you have no idea what truth is. But that's what we've com. to expect from you. Really? So, you refuse to accept the truth because you don't like the sources. Got it. If it doesn't come from one of the racists, sexists, or homophobes that are your keepers, it can't be true.
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Post by palealeman on Jun 8, 2018 15:00:38 GMT -5
Oh, no, commie, I like the truth. I don't accept what Fox, Breitbart, the Federalist, and the National Review try to pass off as truth when, in fact, there's not much found there. I don't pay attention to those fake news sites. I don't have that much time to waste like you apparently do.
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Post by redleg on Jun 8, 2018 16:20:45 GMT -5
Oh, no, commie, I like the truth. I don't accept what Fox, Breitbart, the Federalist, and the National Review try to pass off as truth when, in fact, there's not much found there. I don't pay attention to those fake news sites. I don't have that much time to waste like you apparently do. So you waste time with the liars, Communists, racists and sexists on CNN, NBC, ABC, ect. Got it.
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 8, 2018 18:38:47 GMT -5
If you'd read (which I know is hard for you), you'd learn that I brought this up in the context of the failing president "bending" the truth again. The failing president continues to lie and to call anything he disagrees with "fake news," when, in fact, most the fake news is what comes out of his mouth and from his sources like Fox, Breitbard, the Federalist, and the National Review. But you unthinking partisans continue to take what he says as the gospel truth. You continue to prove that you have no idea what truth is. But that's what we've com. to expect from you. PAM, why are you obsessing over whether or not NFL players are going to visit the White House? This is as close to meaningless as one can get. NO ONE with a brain cares about this. I know Trump "lies" about this sort of thing. Just like he did about how many people came to his inauguration. THIS DOESN'T MATTER.
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Post by palealeman on Jun 8, 2018 21:10:24 GMT -5
That's the problem, RJ. It doesn't matter . . . to you. It's OK if Trump lies. It's OK if he's a sexual predator (it was long ago . . . maybe). It's OK if he acts in his best interests and not in the best interests of the country. It's OK if he alienates out allies. It doesn't matter.
I think you have an ethical problem. You're OK with unethical behavior. Guess that's why you post at work when you should be working . . . or committing acts that can be construed as sexual harassment . . . or lying yourself. Maybe you think that, if Trump can make it, maybe you can too. But it doesn't matter, does it?
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 9, 2018 12:21:20 GMT -5
That's the problem, RJ. It doesn't matter . . . to you. It's OK if Trump lies. It's OK if he's a sexual predator (it was long ago . . . maybe). It's OK if he acts in his best interests and not in the best interests of the country. It's OK if he alienates out allies. It doesn't matter. I think you have an ethical problem. You're OK with unethical behavior. Guess that's why you post at work when you should be working . . . or committing acts that can be construed as sexual harassment . . . or lying yourself. Maybe you think that, if Trump can make it, maybe you can too. But it doesn't matter, does it? What sort of naive fool doesn't know politicians lie? Obama lied his ass off to get Obamacare and the Iran deal. Hillary lied her ass off about her emails, and Bengazi. I'm sure you believe W. lied his ass off about Iraq's WMD stockpile. This is stuff that either affects national security, and/or hits the entire country in the wallet. Bill Clinton committed perjury. Pappy Bush had his "read my lips" lie that cost him a second term. Trump lies about why an NFL team isn't visiting the White House, and the crowd size at his innaguration. Compared to his predecessors and the alternative in the last election, Trump is the most honest man in the White House since maybe Reagan, and probably Ford.
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Post by palealeman on Jun 9, 2018 15:54:33 GMT -5
Don't forget Jimmy Carter -- probably the most honest ever.
Yes, RJ, politicians lie. Some lie some of the time. But our failing president lies all the time. He refuses to read and digest material. He makes it up as he goes. He's alienating our allies and is being manipulated by our enemies. But it doesn't matter, does it, RJ?
As I said earlier, I think you have an ethical problems. Your lack of ethics means that the failing president's lack of ethics is OK in your mind. And, frankly, that's a rather sorry state of affairs. But it doesn't matter, does it.
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Post by redleg on Jun 9, 2018 15:58:46 GMT -5
That's the problem, RJ. It doesn't matter . . . to you. It's OK if Trump lies. It's OK if he's a sexual predator (it was long ago . . . maybe). It's OK if he acts in his best interests and not in the best interests of the country. It's OK if he alienates out allies. It doesn't matter. I think you have an ethical problem. You're OK with unethical behavior. Guess that's why you post at work when you should be working . . . or committing acts that can be construed as sexual harassment . . . or lying yourself. Maybe you think that, if Trump can make it, maybe you can too. But it doesn't matter, does it? True. You only accept the lies of the fake news, because they are all designed to damage Trump. The media lying, continually, through both commission and omission, is fine with you, but Trump "lying" about something as conseqential as the numbers at his inauguration, well, that will bring down the Republic. I noticed that not a single fake news station carried Trump's speech this morning. But they will lie about what he said for a week. They didn't want you serfs actually hearing what he says, because that would mean you might not believe what they tell you he said.
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Post by redleg on Jun 9, 2018 16:01:26 GMT -5
Don't forget Jimmy Carter -- probably the most honest ever. Yes, RJ, politicians lie. Some lie some of the time. But our failing president lies all the time. He refuses to read and digest material. He makes it up as he goes. He's alienating our allies and is being manipulated by our enemies. But it doesn't matter, does it, RJ? As I said earlier, I think you have an ethical problems. Your lack of ethics means that the failing president's lack of ethics is OK in your mind. And, frankly, that's a rather sorry state of affairs. But it doesn't matter, does it. Yes, he does. Even now that he's not allegedly President anymore, and his Puppetmaster, Jarrett, is still pulling his strings. He lied every time he opened his mouth, and only incels like you believed him, and believe him today. He got BP agents murdered through his criminal gun running, got an Ambassador and 3 others murdered to cover up his criminal gun running in Syria, and you still worship the very ground he allegedly walks on.
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 9, 2018 16:41:23 GMT -5
Don't forget Jimmy Carter -- probably the most honest ever. Yes, RJ, politicians lie. Some lie some of the time. But our failing president lies all the time. He refuses to read and digest material. He makes it up as he goes. He's alienating our allies and is being manipulated by our enemies. But it doesn't matter, does it, RJ? You're confusing Trump with Obama. Either that or you think Iran and the Palestinians are our allies. I'm relieved to know you think that. I know your morals and sense of reality are bat-stuff crazy and all sorts of effed up. You make this clear every time you talk about my employment in order to try to shut me up after I've embarrassed you. So I'm sure my morality is just fine.
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Post by palealeman on Jun 10, 2018 7:36:04 GMT -5
No, RJ, you got it wrong again. I was talking about the failing president who's current in office. The failing president who doesn't know the truth. The failing president who makes everything about himself. The failing president who's alienating our allies -- Canada, Mexico, Germany, France, Japan among others. The failing president who's being manipulated by our enemies -- Chine, North Korea among others. But, as you say, it doesn't matter.
I don't talk about your work to shut you up. I do it to point out your ethical lapses -- acts that could be construed as sexual harassment, cheating your employer by doing things on work time that are not work related. You have problems with the truth.
I'm sure you think your morality is "just fine." In my experience, most people think that -- that their ethics, their morality is just fine. I saw it frequently . . . when I worked in prisons. My morality was fine when I assaulted and robbed that person -- I needed the money more than he did. My morality was fine when I stabbed her . . . 80 times . . . you'd have done it too . . . and I had no choice. My morality was fine when I raped that woman -- she was asking for it.
And your morality, and the failing president's morality, are just fine too.
And our country continues its descent away from the principles of our Founding Fathers. But it doesn't matter, does it.
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 10, 2018 10:20:10 GMT -5
No, RJ, you got it wrong again. I was talking about the failing president who's current in office. The failing president who doesn't know the truth. The failing president who makes everything about himself. The failing president who's alienating our allies -- Canada, Mexico, Germany, France, Japan among others. The failing president who's being manipulated by our enemies -- Chine, North Korea among others. But, as you say, it doesn't matter. I don't talk about your work to shut you up. I do it to point out your ethical lapses -- acts that could be construed as sexual harassment, cheating your employer by doing things on work time that are not work related. You have problems with the truth. I'm sure you think your morality is "just fine." In my experience, most people think that -- that their ethics, their morality is just fine. I saw it frequently . . . when I worked in prisons. My morality was fine when I assaulted and robbed that person -- I needed the money more than he did. My morality was fine when I stabbed her . . . 80 times . . . you'd have done it too . . . and I had no choice. My morality was fine when I raped that woman -- she was asking for it. And your morality, and the failing president's morality, are just fine too. And our country continues its descent away from the principles of our Founding Fathers. But it doesn't matter, does it. You mean the failing president who is seeing excellent unemployment and consumer confidence numbers that would have given Obama nightmares because fewer people were dependent on the government? The failing president who might be on the verge of ending the Korean War? The failing president who is finally getting our allies to pull their own weight? And of course you bring up my employment to shut me up after I've embarrassed you. You don't even know if I'm self-employed, independently wealthy, or retired. And yes, I have hugged co-workers because I'm not an anti-social basement-dwelling troll who has no friends at the office.
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Post by aboutwell on Jun 10, 2018 10:31:54 GMT -5
Trump is destroying relationships the U.S. has had with foreign countries that have literally taken decades to build... save Russia... and it will take decades to rebuild them back...
Were it not for Pence, it would be better if Trump didn't come back from Singapore... just move to some remote island in the Pacific... some nice looking young women over there that he'd likely love to "grab"...
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Post by palealeman on Jun 10, 2018 11:54:04 GMT -5
Wow, RJ, getting a little testy, aren't we.
Yes, the economy is moving nicely . . . build on the base that started under Obama. Remember, as we've discussed, trickle-down doesn't work. Reagan tried it and we ended up in a recession. Bush 2 tried it (and an illegal war on top) and we ended up with the greatest depression since the early 1930s. Obama's administration had about 7 consecutive years of solid economic growth. Out failing president has been able to capitalize on that growth.
We'll see what happens at the summit. But it's hard to believe that the failing president can end or achieve anything when he refuses to prepare. He's attended no meetings, read no briefings, made no effort to learn anything . . . which is his usual MO. Yea, he might be able to end the war. But, more probably, the war will continue, and little will come from the summit.
And, again, I don't bring up your employment -- and you're the one who've said you work in an office -- to shut you up. I bring it up -- using what you've already said -- to show your lack of business ethics. I remember 15 or 20 years ago when there was a big push on schools teaching business ethics because of lack of ethics and ethical practices in business. Guess you missed those classes.
And I'm not a "basement-dwelling troll," though you may be in your spare time. I'm retired. I can post any time I want. I'm not violating my employer's trust when I do.
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 10, 2018 14:13:09 GMT -5
Wow, RJ, getting a little testy, aren't we. Well sure. When an unethical coward questions my morality I natually get a little testy.
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Post by palealeman on Jun 10, 2018 15:40:04 GMT -5
Never said anything about your morality. I do question your ethics. Guess I now have to wonder about your reading and comprehension ability too, though we've know about your continued deficiencies there.
You really have a lot going against you, huh?
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