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Post by Ranger John on Jun 30, 2018 9:00:19 GMT -5
YahooWhat we know so far: a 38 year old named Jarrod Ramos shot up the Annapolis Gazette, killing 5. The apparent motive is that the paper covered a story involving harassment charges against him dating back to 2011. The weapon of choice was a shotgun, and he has a long history of making threats against the newspaper. What this wasn't: 1) A Trump-motivated (or Maxine Waters-motivated) attack on the press. 2) Another use of an assault weapon that might have been stopped with an assault weapons ban. What this was: Another lunatic that possibly could have been stopped by authorities had they tried harder. The original harassment charge, or a terroristic threats charge coming from the threats against the paper could have put him on the no sale list for guns. The main question lingering: why the police didn't more aggressively pursue Ramos.
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Post by palealeman on Jun 30, 2018 12:05:44 GMT -5
195. RJ. 195.
And it took someone 2 days to finally post something about this. Yes, I could have, but anything I'd have posted would have been met with a "There's nothing that could have been done" or your typical "What does it matter?"
195. This year. More than 1 a day. Our failing president mouths a few platitudes. Congress expresses outrage. People demonstrate. And nothing will happen. Again. As usual. Thank you, NRA.
195. This year.
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 30, 2018 15:03:29 GMT -5
195. RJ. 195. And it took someone 2 days to finally post something about this. Yes, I could have, but anything I'd have posted would have been met with a "There's nothing that could have been done" or your typical "What does it matter?" 195. This year. More than 1 a day. Our failing president mouths a few platitudes. Congress expresses outrage. People demonstrate. And nothing will happen. Again. As usual. Thank you, NRA. 195. This year. Great, I'm glad to hear you finally have a realistic solution to this problem. Tell us what it is. |
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Post by palealeman on Jun 30, 2018 15:27:55 GMT -5
195 mass shootings this year alone, RJ. And all you ever say is that nothing can be done. Why are you so content with all these shootings? You must be a member of the NRA.
195. But who cares? What does it matter? Right. RJ?
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 30, 2018 18:56:18 GMT -5
195 mass shootings this year alone, RJ. And all you ever say is that nothing can be done. Why are you so content with all these shootings? You must be a member of the NRA. 195. But who cares? What does it matter? Right. RJ? Again, I’m absolutely thrilled that you know how to stop shootings. Please explain your plan. I’m sure we’d all love to know. |
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Post by palealeman on Jun 30, 2018 19:02:37 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what I say, RJ. No matter what gets suggested, you'll say it isn't workable. Of course, you're content with the status quo. How many mass shootings will we see next week? 8? 10? Maybe we can set a new record! Will that make you happy?
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 30, 2018 19:03:54 GMT -5
Yahoo NewsLike so many of these shooters, Ramos was well known to the police. With just a little effort, he probably could have been convicted of something... terroristc threats maybe... that would have at least prevented him from legally purchasing a gun.
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Post by Ranger John on Jun 30, 2018 19:05:06 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what I say, RJ. No matter what gets suggested, you'll say it isn't workable. Of course, you're content with the status quo. How many mass shootings will we see next week? 8? 10? Maybe we can set a new record! Will that make you happy? Awww... you still got nothin? I’m so disappointed. And unsurprised. |
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Post by justthefax on Jun 30, 2018 21:23:19 GMT -5
The Capital Newspaper when asked by the Anne Arundel County Police if they wanted to file charges responded they did not.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 1, 2018 16:00:20 GMT -5
I wonder where the term going postal came from. Hmmmmmm Maybe Trump made it up. Or maybe there have always been crazies and even if magically all guns could be made to vanish they would still find a way to kill off those who they think have done them wrong. There are many ways to kill others in mass besides guns.
I think that 1. there really is no way to stop all attacks. 2. some might be stopped with an easier method of committing the crazies.
Of course someone would then make a movie like one flew over the cuckoo's nest and cause us to free all the crazies again.
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Post by palealeman on Jul 1, 2018 21:36:53 GMT -5
Yahoo NewsLike so many of these shooters, Ramos was well known to the police. With just a little effort, he probably could have been convicted of something... terroristc threats maybe... that would have at least prevented him from legally purchasing a gun. According to the local press, he wasn't that well known to the police. But I see you' re trying to think outside the box. With a little effort, police could have manufactured a charge against him. That sounds like something our failing president would encourage too. |
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Post by redleg on Jul 1, 2018 22:08:32 GMT -5
195. RJ. 195. And it took someone 2 days to finally post something about this. Yes, I could have, but anything I'd have posted would have been met with a "There's nothing that could have been done" or your typical "What does it matter?" 195. This year. More than 1 a day. Our failing president mouths a few platitudes. Congress expresses outrage. People demonstrate. And nothing will happen. Again. As usual. Thank you, NRA. 195. This year. Yup. Time to repeal all the insane "gun control" laws, and let people defend themselves. This is another case of a "gun free zone" being the perfect killing ground for a lunatic, ignored by the police that could have stopped him long before he killed anyone. |
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Post by redleg on Jul 1, 2018 22:09:42 GMT -5
195 mass shootings this year alone, RJ. And all you ever say is that nothing can be done. Why are you so content with all these shootings? You must be a member of the NRA. 195. But who cares? What does it matter? Right. RJ? You have yet to come up with a solution. Even another unrealistic solution. You just whine about "too many guns", and that Congress won't violate the 2A, again. |
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Post by redleg on Jul 1, 2018 22:12:38 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what I say, RJ. No matter what gets suggested, you'll say it isn't workable. Of course, you're content with the status quo. How many mass shootings will we see next week? 8? 10? Maybe we can set a new record! Will that make you happy? No, that's the Party of the KKK's platform. They are the ones that stoke these shootings, with their insane, and anti American rhetoric, and their demands that the police never do their jobs, especially if an illegal is involved. It's the Party of the KKK that demands free fire zones for maniacs, while they make sure they are surrounded by armed security. |
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Post by 3000fps on Jul 1, 2018 23:34:33 GMT -5
195 mass shootings this year alone, RJ. And all you ever say is that nothing can be done. Why are you so content with all these shootings? You must be a member of the NRA. 195. But who cares? What does it matter? Right. RJ? Things COULD be done, stiffer sentences in Chicago and Baltimore would cut that number in two. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 2, 2018 5:48:02 GMT -5
Yahoo NewsLike so many of these shooters, Ramos was well known to the police. With just a little effort, he probably could have been convicted of something... terroristc threats maybe... that would have at least prevented him from legally purchasing a gun. According to the local press, he wasn't that well known to the police. But I see you' re trying to think outside the box. With a little effort, police could have manufactured a charge against him. That sounds like something our failing president would encourage too. As JTF notes above, the paper was asked if it wanted to file charges based on the threats Ramos made. It is impossible to know if it would have made a difference, but they didn't even try. |
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Post by Wild Eyed Southern Boy on Jul 2, 2018 7:58:57 GMT -5
Yahoo NewsLike so many of these shooters, Ramos was well known to the police. With just a little effort, he probably could have been convicted of something... terroristc threats maybe... that would have at least prevented him from legally purchasing a gun. According to the local press, he wasn't that well known to the police. But I see you' re trying to think outside the box. With a little effort, police could have manufactured a charge against him. That sounds like something our failing president would encourage too. And this would be okay with you? |
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Post by microg on Jul 2, 2018 8:05:44 GMT -5
The law needs to take death threats and stalking in general, more seriously. A verbal threat in person or over the phone can be hard to prove but anytime a stalker posts something threatening online, it should be slam dunk to putting these nuts away, using their own words.
There needs to be a national email address set up for people to forward links to threats made by people intending to harm others. No, a single joking off-hand comment should not land you in jail but a pattern death threats should get you removed from society. The last several shootings involved people where it was clear by those who knew the perpetrator that something wasn't right.
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Post by redleg on Jul 2, 2018 9:39:28 GMT -5
The law needs to take death threats and stalking in general, more seriously. A verbal threat in person or over the phone can be hard to prove but anytime a stalker posts something threatening online, it should be slam dunk to putting these nuts away, using their own words. There needs to be a national email address set up for people to forward links to threats made by people intending to harm others. No, a single joking off-hand comment should not land you in jail but a pattern death threats should get you removed from society. The last several shootings involved people where it was clear by those who knew the perpetrator that something wasn't right. In FL, he actually made terrorist threats, threatened people with firearms, and assaulted other students in school. Any of those, had the police bothered to do their jobs, would have kept him from buying a firearm. Same with the FBI. They were contacted twice, "interviewed" him, and did nothing else. All because The Puppet didn't want kids sent to jail for committing crimes. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 2, 2018 9:57:15 GMT -5
According to the local press, he wasn't that well known to the police. But I see you' re trying to think outside the box. With a little effort, police could have manufactured a charge against him. That sounds like something our failing president would encourage too. And this would be okay with you? I think he was responding to my suggestion that Ramos could have been charged. For the record, I believe there was ample evidence to support a terroristic threats charge against Ramos had the paper opted to pursue it. This might have put Ramos in necessary databases to prevent him from purchasing his shotgun. However that has to be tempered with the understanding that I don't know all the fine details of this case. It also has to be balanced against the reality that not everyone obtains their guns legally, so it might not have stopped him anyway. |
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Post by palealeman on Jul 3, 2018 12:54:14 GMT -5
Yes, RJ, I was responding to your suggestion. And no, WESB, it's not acceptable to trump up charges. But then again, I'm not the one proposing that.
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