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Post by Ranger John on Jul 15, 2018 13:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 15, 2018 14:27:19 GMT -5
Anyone want to guess if they'll show up in court to defend themselves?
I'd normally assume not. OTOH, Mueller and the FBI never had the chance to analyze the DNC servers, so the chance of there being a solid case is almost zero.
I wonder if Trump will manage to get one or more of them extradited at the meeting tomorrow. Muller has to be praying that doesn't happen.
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Post by redleg on Jul 15, 2018 21:18:40 GMT -5
This is just another kabuki theater game. Notice how fast the 13 Russian companies that were "indicted" disappeared from all public scrutiny. This is simply more of Mueller trying to show the brainless that he's "doing something".
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 16, 2018 5:46:33 GMT -5
This is just another kabuki theater game. Notice how fast the 13 Russian companies that were "indicted" disappeared from all public scrutiny. This is simply more of Mueller trying to show the brainless that he's "doing something". That's actually not accurate. The one company sent its lawyers to court and started discovery against Mueller. THAT is when those cases got quiet.
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Post by breakingbad on Jul 16, 2018 9:49:03 GMT -5
This is just another kabuki theater game. Notice how fast the 13 Russian companies that were "indicted" disappeared from all public scrutiny. This is simply more of Mueller trying to show the brainless that he's "doing something". That's actually not accurate. The one company sent its lawyers to court and started discovery against Mueller. THAT is when those cases got quiet. I believe that's called "calling your bluff"
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Post by redleg on Jul 16, 2018 9:49:51 GMT -5
This is just another kabuki theater game. Notice how fast the 13 Russian companies that were "indicted" disappeared from all public scrutiny. This is simply more of Mueller trying to show the brainless that he's "doing something". That's actually not accurate. The one company sent its lawyers to court and started discovery against Mueller. THAT is when those cases got quiet. That's actually my point. The second the charade fell apart for Mueller, the LR media dropped all mention of them. This will be the same thing. It will be a whirlwind for, maybe, a week, then you will hear not another peep about it.
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Post by redleg on Jul 16, 2018 9:50:37 GMT -5
That's actually not accurate. The one company sent its lawyers to court and started discovery against Mueller. THAT is when those cases got quiet. I believe that's called "calling your bluff" Especially since one of the companies "indicted" didn't even exist when the "crime" was committed.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 16, 2018 11:45:40 GMT -5
That's actually not accurate. The one company sent its lawyers to court and started discovery against Mueller. THAT is when those cases got quiet. I believe that's called "calling your bluff" Indeed. I'm very curious about what Mueller has. The computers that were allegedly hacked were never turned over to the FBI. So it is difficult to imagine how they would go about proving there was a hack.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 16, 2018 11:47:46 GMT -5
That's actually not accurate. The one company sent its lawyers to court and started discovery against Mueller. THAT is when those cases got quiet. That's actually my point. The second the charade fell apart for Mueller, the LR media dropped all mention of them. This will be the same thing. It will be a whirlwind for, maybe, a week, then you will hear not another peep about it.Ā You'd think Mueller would have learned something. Of course, with these individuals, it is even less likely one will show up and face charges. Which makes it infuriating that Mueller would go out of his way to disrupt the Trump-Putin meeting over something so inconsequential.
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Post by palealeman on Jul 16, 2018 13:38:35 GMT -5
And, at today's presser, Trump accepts Putin's word that there was no Russian interference -- even though intelligence agencies, and mist members of Congress know the Russians hacked us. Guess our failing president and his BFF figured out how to hack our upcoming election!
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 16, 2018 14:43:44 GMT -5
And, at today's presser, Trump accepts Putin's word that there was no Russian interference -- even though intelligence agencies, and mist members of Congress know the Russians hacked us. Guess our failing president and his BFF figured out how to hack our upcoming election! Did you expect him to argue with Putin? And if so, based on what evidence? And how was it different from every other time they (and every other country) tried to influence our election?
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Post by palealeman on Jul 16, 2018 15:43:50 GMT -5
No, RJ, I don't expect our failing president to argue with Putin. They're BFFs, and the failing Trump is trying to learn all about dictatorship and totalitarian government from his idol.
The problem is, the Russians DID influence our last election. The intelligence agencies all agree on that. Nunes agrees on that, and the congressional committees agree. Apparently the only person in America who thinks we weren't hacked during the last election is our failing president, and he's the person who asked the Russians to hack us!
Like I said, I think today's meeting was to plan how to hack this election. It's just unfortunate that or failing president sticks up for our enemies while castigating our allies and ruining our relationships with them.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 16, 2018 15:55:39 GMT -5
No, RJ, I don't expect our failing president to argue with Putin. They're BFFs, and the failing Trump is trying to learn all about dictatorship and totalitarian government from his idol. Do you think Reagan or Kennedy would have argued with Putin? Obama definately wouldn't have. He thought all of this "collusion" stuff was the 1980s calling for their foreign policy back. Sure they tried to influence our election. So did the Brits, and every other country that had the ability to do so. They always do. But I don't find accusations that the Russians bought Facebook ads compelling in any way. No one but insane conspiracy theorists think the Russians hacked voting machines, and the DNC destroyed any evidence that the Russians hacked their servers. So what is your evidence the Russians did anything meaningful to hack our election?
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Post by palealeman on Jul 16, 2018 16:56:26 GMT -5
I mentioned it above. Please read.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 16, 2018 17:07:27 GMT -5
I mentioned it above. Please read. You mention literally NOTHING real. You just made a statement that some people claim they hacked the election. To date, the extent of the real evidence involves Russians buying Facebook ads. This is insignificant. No one has claimed the Russians changed votes. In fact, the DOJ and intelligence agencies have stated categorically this did not happen. This leaves the DNC servers, which were not turned over to the FBI to analyze. Which means the chain of custody does not exist, and whatever evidence there might have once been will not be admissible in court.
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Post by 3000fps on Jul 16, 2018 21:18:31 GMT -5
And, at today's presser, Trump accepts Putin's word that there was no Russian interference -- even though intelligence agencies, and mist members of Congress know the Russians hacked us. Guess our failing president and his BFF figured out how to hack our upcoming election! Knowing how obamas corrupt FBI lied and was in the tank, one has to take one and all with a grain of salt.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 17, 2018 4:31:14 GMT -5
And, at today's presser, Trump accepts Putin's word that there was no Russian interference -- even though intelligence agencies, and mist members of Congress know the Russians hacked us. Guess our failing president and his BFF figured out how to hack our upcoming election! Knowing how obamas corrupt FBI lied and was in the tank, one has to take one and all with a grain of salt. What is further damming in this circumstance, was the decision to issue these indictments on the last business day prior to the Putin meeting. This was a nakedly partisan effort to embarrass Trump and derail the Putin meeting. It is unlikely that any of the 13 Russians indicted will appear in the US. Mueller knows this, and therefore he knows these indictments only serve two purposes: to pad his numbers and embarrass Trump. They have nothing to do with the pursuit of justice. They could have been issued today, or a month ago, or a month from now, and it would make no difference to a set of prosecutions that will probably never happen. Issuing a set of functionally meaningless indictments in this manner before a meeting with Putin, is a corrupt act on Mueller's part. It is a legitimate reason to fire Mueller, and IMO, prosecute Mueller under RICO laws.
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Post by palealeman on Jul 17, 2018 7:09:18 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 17, 2018 7:20:39 GMT -5
I'm really surprised, RJ, that someone who tries to look so intelligent can be so misinformed in this area. As I said above, US intelligence agencies all agree that Russia interfered in our 2016 election. 2 or 3 Congressional committees all agree that Russia interfered in our 2016 election. A majority of the population thinks the Russians interfered in our 2016 election. I agree the Russians interfered in our election. There's good evidence they purchased Facebook ads, and publicly advocated against Hillary. What's more, they routinely meddle in our elections, and have for a century or more. Also, the Brits, Mexicans, Canadians, and every country that felt it was in their interest and within their ability to do so also meddled in our election. Just as we have done to pretty much everyone else. My assertion is that there's no proof the Russians did anything extraordinary or unusual. These articles essentially back me up. I've stipulated to the influence campaign several times just in this thread alone. It may also be that the Russians hacked the DNC servers. However, a court is going to demand proof this happened before convicting anyone under the indictments Mueller issued. An intelligence assessment isn't such proof. And by refusing to turn their server over to the FBI for forensic testing, the DEMOCRATS destroyed any proof that might have once existed.
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Post by redleg on Jul 17, 2018 8:52:17 GMT -5
And, at today's presser, Trump accepts Putin's word that there was no Russian interference -- even though intelligence agencies, and mist members of Congress know the Russians hacked us. Guess our failing president and his BFF figured out how to hack our upcoming election! No, he didn't. You are listening to your fake news masters again. He simply said that Putin denied it very forcefully, and that both sides are to blame for the worsening of relations. Of course, since the fake news can't afford to tell the truth, you are fed lies again. Where is the proof that Russia meddled in our elections? Of course they did, they have since time immemorial. But where is the proof of this particular instance? The FBI has yet to even see the DNC server, that they claim was hacked. Or any of the computers so affected. How do they come up with an indictment when they haven't even inspected the "crime scene"?
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Post by redleg on Jul 17, 2018 8:56:41 GMT -5
No, RJ, I don't expect our failing president to argue with Putin. They're BFFs, and the failing Trump is trying to learn all about dictatorship and totalitarian government from his idol. The problem is, the Russians DID influence our last election. The intelligence agencies all agree on that. Nunes agrees on that, and the congressional committees agree. Apparently the only person in America who thinks we weren't hacked during the last election is our failing president, and he's the person who asked the Russians to hack us! Like I said, I think today's meeting was to plan how to hack this election. It's just unfortunate that or failing president sticks up for our enemies while castigating our allies and ruining our relationships with them. No, they didn't. Every person involved has said no vote were changed, no effect was noticed. In fact, the only factual info I've seen shows that "the Russians" spent about a million dollars on their efforts, and most of it came AFTER the election. As for BFF's, when did Trump tell Putin "I'll have more flexibility after the election". That indicates that he and Putin were in bed together, and that he expected Putin to make sure that The Puppet was reelected. It wasn't Trump that violated a treaty and pulled our missile systems out of Poland, refused to help either Crimea or Ukraine during Russian invasion, and stopped an investigation into Russian hacking. That was all The Puppet. I don't remember you calling him Putins' puppet.
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Post by redleg on Jul 17, 2018 8:59:23 GMT -5
I mentioned it above. Please read. As usual, you whiffed. These are the same intel agencies that gave The Felon a pass on her crimes, accepted a fake dossier from a British subject that used Russian propaganda agents for 'evidence' to spy on Trump's campaign, and couldn't even figure out that it was fake. But they are the last word on Russian "collusion".
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Post by redleg on Jul 17, 2018 9:03:05 GMT -5
I'm really surprised, RJ, that someone who tries to look so intelligent can be so misinformed in this area. As I said above, US intelligence agencies all agree that Russia interfered in our 2016 election. 2 or 3 Congressional committees all agree that Russia interfered in our 2016 election. A majority of the population thinks the Russians interfered in our 2016 election. I agree the Russians interfered in our election. There's good evidence they purchased Facebook ads, and publicly advocated against Hillary. What's more, they routinely meddle in our elections, and have for a century or more. Also, the Brits, Mexicans, Canadians, and every country that felt it was in their interest and within their ability to do so also meddled in our election. Just as we have done to pretty much everyone else. My assertion is that there's no proof the Russians did anything extraordinary or unusual. These articles essentially back me up. I've stipulated to the influence campaign several times just in this thread alone. It may also be that the Russians hacked the DNC servers. However, a court is going to demand proof this happened before convicting anyone under the indictments Mueller issued. An intelligence assessment isn't such proof. And by refusing to turn their server over to the FBI for forensic testing, the DEMOCRATS destroyed any proof that might have once existed. They wouldn't turn it over because they knew it wasn't Russians, it was an inside job. Besides which, evidence of actual crimes committed by the DNC and it's members was probably on that server, and they couldn't take the chance that a real investigation would ensue. One that would put most of their membership behind bars.
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 17, 2018 9:06:46 GMT -5
I agree the Russians interfered in our election. There's good evidence they purchased Facebook ads, and publicly advocated against Hillary. What's more, they routinely meddle in our elections, and have for a century or more. Also, the Brits, Mexicans, Canadians, and every country that felt it was in their interest and within their ability to do so also meddled in our election. Just as we have done to pretty much everyone else. My assertion is that there's no proof the Russians did anything extraordinary or unusual. These articles essentially back me up. I've stipulated to the influence campaign several times just in this thread alone. It may also be that the Russians hacked the DNC servers. However, a court is going to demand proof this happened before convicting anyone under the indictments Mueller issued. An intelligence assessment isn't such proof. And by refusing to turn their server over to the FBI for forensic testing, the DEMOCRATS destroyed any proof that might have once existed. They wouldn't turn it over because they knew it wasn't Russians, it was an inside job. Besides which, evidence of actual crimes committed by the DNC and it's members was probably on that server, and they couldn't take the chance that a real investigation would ensue. One that would put most of their membership behind bars. I've noticed a pattern with the Democrats. They like to accuse the GOP of crimes they've committed themselves. Mostly to distract everyone from their criminal enterprises. If nothing else, our own FBI and CIA both heavily interfered in the 2016 election
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Post by 3000fps on Jul 17, 2018 15:45:45 GMT -5
Knowing how obamas corrupt FBI lied and was in the tank, one has to take one and all with a grain of salt. What is further damming in this circumstance, was the decision to issue these indictments on the last business day prior to the Putin meeting. This was a nakedly partisan effort to embarrass Trump and derail the Putin meeting. It is unlikely that any of the 13 Russians indicted will appear in the US. Mueller knows this, and therefore he knows these indictments only serve two purposes: to pad his numbers and embarrass Trump. They have nothing to do with the pursuit of justice. They could have been issued today, or a month ago, or a month from now, and it would make no difference to a set of prosecutions that will probably never happen. Mueller was playing politics as usual, his corrupt buddy Comey, trumps Trump trying to do the good of the country.
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