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Post by Ranger John on Jul 17, 2018 16:15:19 GMT -5
What is further damming in this circumstance, was the decision to issue these indictments on the last business day prior to the Putin meeting. This was a nakedly partisan effort to embarrass Trump and derail the Putin meeting. It is unlikely that any of the 13 Russians indicted will appear in the US. Mueller knows this, and therefore he knows these indictments only serve two purposes: to pad his numbers and embarrass Trump. They have nothing to do with the pursuit of justice. They could have been issued today, or a month ago, or a month from now, and it would make no difference to a set of prosecutions that will probably never happen. Mueller was playing politics as usual, his corrupt buddy Comey, trumps Trump trying to do the good of the country. Normally it would be upsetting to see the President taking the FBI and CIA to task in front of a goon like Putin. But in this case, it's really easy to argue that at least Mueller deserved it. Trump is in a tough spot. In theory, it's his FBI and DOJ, so he should be able to order them to do things like hold off on a stack of meaningless indictments for a week, and turn over subpoenaed documents to Congress. But he can't do anything with this mess without being accused of obstruction. In the mean time, each over-reach by the FBI further makes his case. |
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Post by 3000fps on Jul 17, 2018 17:21:36 GMT -5
Mueller was playing politics as usual, his corrupt buddy Comey, trumps Trump trying to do the good of the country. Normally it would be upsetting to see the President taking the FBI and CIA to task in front of a goon like Putin. But in this case, it's really easy to argue that at least Mueller deserved it. Trump is in a tough spot. In theory, it's his FBI and DOJ, so he should be able to order them to do things like hold off on a stack of meaningless indictments for a week, and turn over subpoenaed documents to Congress. But he can't do anything with this mess without being accused of obstruction. In the mean time, each over-reach by the FBI further makes his case. Sadly the upper echelon should be purged with careful consideration much like Learner's IRS (who belongs in jail) and Brennan's CIA. |
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Post by redleg on Jul 17, 2018 18:38:03 GMT -5
Are these the same intelligence agencies that all agreed Saddam had WMD's? The ones you and your fellow travelers castigated for 'lying' about it? Are these the same ones that failed to see either the fall of the Soviet Union, or the rise of ISIS? Yet you put all your faith in the allegation that "they all agree". Wonder why now, but never before? |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 19, 2018 11:10:42 GMT -5
Well they did interfere, Hillary paid them to.
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Post by redleg on Jul 20, 2018 9:34:08 GMT -5
Well they did interfere, Hillary paid them to. And therein lies the rub. Why are they chasing a phantom when they know that The Felon actually did collude? Of course, collusion is no more a crime for her than it would be for Trump, but if they are going to "investigate" Trump for it, why aren't they also investigating the real evidence of The Felon? Not to mention destruction of evidence, selling of influence, selling nat sec secrets, ect? |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 20, 2018 11:48:38 GMT -5
Well they did interfere, Hillary paid them to. And therein lies the rub. Why are they chasing a phantom when they know that The Felon actually did collude? Of course, collusion is no more a crime for her than it would be for Trump, but if they are going to "investigate" Trump for it, why aren't they also investigating the real evidence of The Felon? Not to mention destruction of evidence, selling of influence, selling nat sec secrets, ect? The list is long, the crimes many. Have you heard Mueller is going to give immunity to Tony so he will make up lies about Manafort? The dems cover up their dookie. |
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Post by redleg on Jul 20, 2018 13:08:59 GMT -5
And therein lies the rub. Why are they chasing a phantom when they know that The Felon actually did collude? Of course, collusion is no more a crime for her than it would be for Trump, but if they are going to "investigate" Trump for it, why aren't they also investigating the real evidence of The Felon? Not to mention destruction of evidence, selling of influence, selling nat sec secrets, ect? The list is long, the crimes many. Have you heard Mueller is going to give immunity to Tony so he will make up lies about Manafort? The dems cover up their dookie. And Sessions hasn't fired Mueller yet, nor indicted him for prosecution. Both should happen immediately. |
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Post by microg on Jul 20, 2018 13:30:47 GMT -5
The list is long, the crimes many. Have you heard Mueller is going to give immunity to Tony so he will make up lies about Manafort? The dems cover up their dookie. And Sessions hasn't fired Mueller yet, nor indicted him for prosecution. Both should happen immediately. Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 20, 2018 13:41:49 GMT -5
And Sessions hasn't fired Mueller yet, nor indicted him for prosecution. Both should happen immediately. Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. That interference is the plan. |
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Post by redleg on Jul 20, 2018 14:37:05 GMT -5
And Sessions hasn't fired Mueller yet, nor indicted him for prosecution. Both should happen immediately. Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. He has no legal authority for his witch hunt. "Collusion" is not a crime, he has found no evidence, and he's simply extorting anyone even remotely connected to Trump, IOT get them to make something up so that he can use it against Trump. |
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Post by palealeman on Jul 20, 2018 19:57:58 GMT -5
And Sessions hasn't fired Mueller yet, nor indicted him for prosecution. Both should happen immediately. Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. How much time should be allowed for an investigation? How many indictments have been returned already? And our failing president continues to show that he does not have the ability to do the job. He's showing more and more that he's nothing but Putin's patsy. A lot of people are beginning to wonder just what Putin has on him. Maybe the pee tape really does exist. |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 20, 2018 20:52:26 GMT -5
Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. How much time should be allowed for an investigation? How many indictments have been returned already? None that required a special counsel. Or that implicate any collusion between Putin and Trump. The 13 that are the subject of this thread are purely Mueller padding his numbers, and are unlikely to ever result in an arrest. No one has failed as hard or deeply as Bob Mueller. I hear there’s another tape of Trump dong something inappropriate in an elevator. I’m sure it’ll come out with a Trump’s greatest videos with a clip of Trump conducting an alien autopsy, Trump having a hole-in-one contest with Kim Jong Un, and in a three way with Vladimir Putin and Kim Kardashian. Mueller has been told to put up or shut up. He hasn’t put up yet. |
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Post by microg on Jul 21, 2018 5:14:04 GMT -5
Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. How much time should be allowed for an investigation? How many indictments have been returned already? And our failing president continues to show that he does not have the ability to do the job. He's showing more and more that he's nothing but Putin's patsy. A lot of people are beginning to wonder just what Putin has on him. Maybe the pee tape really does exist. A special counsel should not have very much time at all; they should pretty much be ready to pounce; the reason should be very specific. My feeling is the timeline will be dynamically adjusted to fit exactly how it will take to remove Trump and Pence from political service.
A little commentary here. The "swamp" that was in office prior to 2016 was disrupted by another "swamp" that is in office now because it made voters stomachs turn just a little bit less. Looking at who Soro's Holdings donated to during the 2016 campaign told me all I needed to know. Why would Soro's Holdings be donating to: Paul Ryan: $10,800, Jeb! Bush: $2700, Marco Rubio: $2700, John McCain $2,500, and Lindsey Graham $2000 who are all Republicans? While this is not a lot of money, I would have expected all of the donations from Soro's holdings to be strictly for democrats. It reaffirms what I said for a long time and that is that some of the republicans and democrats are in bed together. Candidates like Trump or like Bernie Sanders were never supposed to win, they were not part of their elite circle. Where in the donation list is Bernie Sanders? Why was he not listed? He's a democrat supporting socialist values that Soro's Holdings should absolutely be giddy over. As honorable as Bernie Sanders is (even though I vehemently disagreed with his platform), he could not withstand the political gears in play that ate him up. Only someone as shrewd as Trump had any chance of disrupting the existing establishment in 2016.
The true degree to which Trump and/or his administration is in bed with Russia remains uncertain. But as forbes has previously pointed out, the present administration does not have exclusivity in this regard.
One can hope that one day, voters will be able to elect someone for president that actually wants to hold office for the sole purpose of serving the American people but I'm not holding my breath. Perhaps term limits could help reduce the amount of time that fresh blood can have to get corrupted. But I'm not holding my breath on that either. One thing that can help is for people on both sides to recognize when their representatives are filth, admitting it, correcting it, and moving on. This "my team just scored a point" crap is not helping. Sadly the winner of the next election will probably be the candidate who pulls the wool over our eyes just a little bit more. SSDD.
It makes me wonder for how long our general election choice between two candidates in the past was really just both candidates being pulled by the very same strings. That's what it was supposed to be in 2016 until Trump appeared and crashed the party.
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Post by demopublican on Jul 21, 2018 9:06:08 GMT -5
What is further damming in this circumstance, was the decision to issue these indictments on the last business day prior to the Putin meeting. This was a nakedly partisan effort to embarrass Trump and derail the Putin meeting. It is unlikely that any of the 13 Russians indicted will appear in the US. Mueller knows this, and therefore he knows these indictments only serve two purposes: to pad his numbers and embarrass Trump. They have nothing to do with the pursuit of justice. They could have been issued today, or a month ago, or a month from now, and it would make no difference to a set of prosecutions that will probably never happen. Mueller was playing politics as usual, his corrupt buddy Comey, trumps Trump trying to do the good of the country. Which country? |
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Post by breakingbad on Jul 21, 2018 11:01:01 GMT -5
Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. How much time should be allowed for an investigation? How many indictments have been returned already? And our failing president continues to show that he does not have the ability to do the job. He's showing more and more that he's nothing but Putin's patsy. A lot of people are beginning to wonder just what Putin has on him. Maybe the pee tape really does exist. You have a very distorted concept of failure. But I'm not surprised. You pretty much take the wrong side of every argument. |
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Post by redleg on Jul 21, 2018 17:17:31 GMT -5
Mueller has been a on large enough fishing expedition to take over Red Lobster. He needs to either come up with something good now or end the investigation. It is interfering with the presidents ability to do his job. How much time should be allowed for an investigation? How many indictments have been returned already? And our failing president continues to show that he does not have the ability to do the job. He's showing more and more that he's nothing but Putin's patsy. A lot of people are beginning to wonder just what Putin has on him. Maybe the pee tape really does exist. How many have anything to do with "collusion"? How many have anything to do with the Russians? How many of them have anything to do with the election or the campaign? Why isn't he investigating The Felon, since he's "investigating Russian collusion"? The only evidence we have of any 'collusion' with the Russians came from The Felon and her criminal band. And he's giving Podesta immunity for committing exactly the same crime he's putting Manafort in jail for. This is a witch hunt, purely and solely, and designed for nothing other than "getting" Trump. So far, he's come up completely empty, and will continue to do so. As for Trump, you call him a failed President, yet you worship The Puppet, who surrendered to Putin from day one, mocked Romney for calling Russia the main geopolitical enemy, surrendered to Syria, destroyed Libya, had a failing economy, record unemployment, record on food stamps, and was laughed at by every major leader in the world. |
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Post by 3000fps on Jul 21, 2018 23:41:42 GMT -5
Mueller was playing politics as usual, his corrupt buddy Comey, trumps Trump trying to do the good of the country. Which country? Kenya, where else?  |
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