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Post by douger on Oct 30, 2013 19:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by douger on Oct 30, 2013 19:54:21 GMT -5
The good news from the poll? There's little to be found for current pols.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 30, 2013 19:56:07 GMT -5
Ahhh... I thought this thread was going to be about those Heady Days a couple weeks ago, when the Democrats stood firm to prevent the hostage taking terrorists from delaying Obamacare for a year. And now, just a few weeks on, more and more 'crats realize you can't fine people for not using a website that doesn't work.
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Post by douger on Oct 30, 2013 19:57:38 GMT -5
Ahhh... I thought this thread was going to be about those Heady Days a couple weeks ago, when the Democrats stood firm to prevent the hostage taking terrorists from delaying Obamacare for a year. And now, just a few weeks on, more and more 'crats realize you can't fine people for not using a website that doesn't work. Democrats were so smug in their belief that only Republicans would pay the price for the shutdown. Oopsie. |
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 30, 2013 20:00:10 GMT -5
Ahhh... I thought this thread was going to be about those Heady Days a couple weeks ago, when the Democrats stood firm to prevent the hostage taking terrorists from delaying Obamacare for a year. And now, just a few weeks on, more and more 'crats realize you can't fine people for not using a website that doesn't work. Democrats were so smug in their belief that only Republicans would pay the price for the shutdown. Oopsie. Well, that is mostly true, thanks to the Democratic propaganda machine that is the US media. The problem is the shutdown is going to be a distant memory on election day, and Obamacare won't be. |
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Post by douger on Oct 30, 2013 20:02:17 GMT -5
Obama still has quite a way to get to the poll numbers of Dubya who was at 39% at this point in his second term and would sink to 27% when he left office.
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Post by douger on Oct 30, 2013 20:03:54 GMT -5
Democrats were so smug in their belief that only Republicans would pay the price for the shutdown. Oopsie. Well, that is mostly true, thanks to the Democratic propaganda machine that is the US media. The problem is the shutdown is going to be a distant memory on election day, and Obamacare won't be. The trouble is, what the GOP gained from the shutdown - nothing - would have been worth trading for to get a couple of extra weeks of non stop media coverage of the mega flop that is the launch of Obamacare. |
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Post by Moses on Oct 30, 2013 20:06:00 GMT -5
Boy you guys can go on and on and on with nothing but critiques with absolutely no mention of solutions, future plans or nothing. No introspection or talk of a party to further your conservative ideas.
you virtually add nothing to the conversation.
It would add a lot more to your cause if you actually had a president and more senators and representatives on your side but it seems like you guys are losing more elections and you are reduced just screaming on chat rooms.
that's not good
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Post by Moses on Oct 30, 2013 20:07:27 GMT -5
Well, that is mostly true, thanks to the Democratic propaganda machine that is the US media. The problem is the shutdown is going to be a distant memory on election day, and Obamacare won't be. The trouble is, what the GOP gained from the shutdown - nothing - would have been worth trading for to get a couple of extra weeks of non stop media coverage of the mega flop that is the launch of Obamacare. The launch part yes has been a disaster. Somehow you guys then surmise ......lol |
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Post by douger on Oct 30, 2013 20:18:52 GMT -5
The trouble is, what the GOP gained from the shutdown - nothing - would have been worth trading for to get a couple of extra weeks of non stop media coverage of the mega flop that is the launch of Obamacare. The launch part yes has been a disaster. Somehow you guys then surmise ......lol The 7 to 16 million people who look to be getting cancellation notices have nothing to do with the launch of 404care.gov. Nor do the markedly higher premiums and deductibles that are on the exchanges. Not even the number of new enrollees into Medicaid. |
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Post by Moses on Oct 30, 2013 20:50:56 GMT -5
The launch part yes has been a disaster. Somehow you guys then surmise ......lol The 7 to 16 million people who look to be getting cancellation notices have nothing to do with the launch of 404care.gov. Nor do the markedly higher premiums and deductibles that are on the exchanges. Not even the number of new enrollees into Medicaid. Like you Dougar I am watching this unfold with interest. I did not vote for Obama btw |
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 30, 2013 21:00:16 GMT -5
Well, that is mostly true, thanks to the Democratic propaganda machine that is the US media. The problem is the shutdown is going to be a distant memory on election day, and Obamacare won't be. The trouble is, what the GOP gained from the shutdown - nothing - would have been worth trading for to get a couple of extra weeks of non stop media coverage of the mega flop that is the launch of Obamacare. I'm not sure they got nothing. They did did make a very big deal about delaying this for a year - which caused the Democrats to accuse them of being hostage takers. Now that the Democrats are starting to adopt that position, though, they're going to look very small and petty. One of the problems that the GOP has is getting the media to pay any attention to them. Throwing a temper tantrum does get the media's attention though. When they've got that attention, they've got an avenue to get their message out. Of course, people do need to pay close attention. After all, the main clip the media played of Ted Cruz' speech was when he read Green Eggs & Ham. |
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 30, 2013 21:03:35 GMT -5
The launch part yes has been a disaster. Somehow you guys then surmise ......lol The 7 to 16 million people who look to be getting cancellation notices have nothing to do with the launch of 404care.gov. Nor do the markedly higher premiums and deductibles that are on the exchanges. Not even the number of new enrollees into Medicaid. And THAT is the other part of the equation. The failure of 404Care.gov and 1-800-F1U-CKYO is masking the even bigger failures of people losing coverage, and being forced to purchase MUCH more expensive coverage, and of course the BIG LIE: "If you like your plan/doctor, you can keep them." That's an even bigger mess than the non-functioning website. |
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 30, 2013 22:21:40 GMT -5
Obama still has quite a way to get to the poll numbers of Dubya who was at 39% at this point in his second term and would sink to 27% when he left office. True-but barry has proven himself more than capable of reaching those kinds of numbers......and dragging hellary along with him. The dems ran away from barry in '10 like he was a herpes blister-and that's when he was "popular". There's an extremely strong anti-incumbent mood that should make '14 very interesting. |
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Post by aponderer on Oct 31, 2013 0:35:26 GMT -5
I guess you've discovered by now that K. Sibelius has fallen on her sword for the President... Some of the Democrat politicians who are up for election are now calling for a delay of the individual mandate. Medicaid enrollment is another issue, and has noting to do with the ACA. You've asked for solutions. I have one: repeal the ACA. IMHO the ACA (and all its regulations and changes since it became law) was originally designed to help bring about a single-payer system (i.e., socialized medicine). The ACA supporters have cleverly crafted the law to make sure the insurance companies will drop insureds because their products don't meet the changing requirements of the law (and druthers of the President). Just look at the long list of waivers granted so far. And don't forget the fact that those "grandfathered" to keep their current plans have been cleverly "ungrandfathered" (except, of course, for the unions) because of the "law" that insurers modify their plans to meet ACA requirements. That is, insureds can keep their plans--except they can't if those plans don't conform to the ACA requirements, choke, choke... It is absolutely asinine that the ACA requires a single man to pay to be covered for pregnancy.  IMHO we certainly have a bunch of lying, conniving politicians and lackeys in D.C.  |
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2013 6:04:41 GMT -5
Obama still has quite a way to get to the poll numbers of Dubya who was at 39% at this point in his second term and would sink to 27% when he left office. Oh I donno. I've seen polls where President Unexpectedly is at 42%. That really isn't a long way from 39%. In fact, in most polls, that would be within the margin of error. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 31, 2013 6:44:15 GMT -5
Obama still has quite a way to get to the poll numbers of Dubya who was at 39% at this point in his second term and would sink to 27% when he left office. Oh I donno. I've seen polls where President Unexpectedly is at 42%. That really isn't a long way from 39%. In fact, in most polls, that would be within the margin of error. Also dubya had the media against him I am sure his numbers would have been higher with the media in his pocket. If they only polled politics wonks then I am sure the numbers would be different again. Polls only tell what the pollster wants to tell. |
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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 31, 2013 7:23:05 GMT -5
The 7 to 16 million people who look to be getting cancellation notices have nothing to do with the launch of 404care.gov. Nor do the markedly higher premiums and deductibles that are on the exchanges. Not even the number of new enrollees into Medicaid. Like you Dougar I am watching this unfold with interest. I did not vote for Obama btw Not ANOTHER I didn't vote for Obama flaming liberal. Jeeze its a population explosion around here!  |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 31, 2013 7:27:54 GMT -5
Like you Dougar I am watching this unfold with interest. I did not vote for Obama btw Not ANOTHER I didn't vote for Obama flaming liberal. Jeeze its a population explosion around here! Like it matters who you vote for here. What matters is who you support, or denigrate. |
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Post by douger on Oct 31, 2013 10:54:35 GMT -5
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 11:59:35 GMT -5
Obama still has quite a way to get to the poll numbers of Dubya who was at 39% at this point in his second term and would sink to 27% when he left office. True-but barry has proven himself more than capable of reaching those kinds of numbers......and dragging hellary along with him. The dems ran away from barry in '10 like he was a herpes blister-and that's when he was "popular". There's an extremely strong anti-incumbent mood that should make '14 very interesting. . He has proven himself capable? Lol So even tho he isn't at Bush's level he has proven himself capable? Haha brilliant It's ok tho. Bush , like pics of larger gas wells, never existed! |
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 12:03:42 GMT -5
Not ANOTHER I didn't vote for Obama flaming liberal. Jeeze its a population explosion around here! Like it matters who you vote for here. What matters is who you support, or denigrate. No it doesn't. Your and your pack of chattering magpies do not make the rules. |
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Oct 31, 2013 12:05:46 GMT -5
True-but barry has proven himself more than capable of reaching those kinds of numbers......and dragging hellary along with him. The dems ran away from barry in '10 like he was a herpes blister-and that's when he was "popular". There's an extremely strong anti-incumbent mood that should make '14 very interesting. . He has proven himself capable? Lol So even tho he isn't at Bush's level he has proven himself capable? Haha brilliant It's ok tho. Bush , like pics of larger gas wells, never existed! What? |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 31, 2013 12:15:54 GMT -5
Like it matters who you vote for here. What matters is who you support, or denigrate. No it doesn't. Your and your pack of chattering magpies do not make the rules.  sure we do |
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Post by Moses on Oct 31, 2013 12:18:16 GMT -5
Ahhh... I thought this thread was going to be about those Heady Days a couple weeks ago, when the Democrats stood firm to prevent the hostage taking terrorists from delaying Obamacare for a year. And now, just a few weeks on, more and more 'crats realize you can't fine people for not using a website that doesn't work. Democrats were so smug in their belief that only Republicans would pay the price for the shutdown. Oopsie. Actually you guys will pay the price when you spend all your time doing nothing but criticizing liberals and election time comes around you've got nothing you'll lose again and be reduced to nothing but chattering on a chat room |
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