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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 1, 2013 9:58:52 GMT -5
Details are still on the sketchy side on this still developing story, but it appears that a concealed carrier shot and killed a robber, then another shooter pulled a gun and shot someone else during the commission of a robbery in Grand Rapids, Michigan: A man with a concealed-weapons permit shot and killed an alleged robber in an incident outside of a New York Fried Chicken restaurant that ultimately left two men dead, investigators said Thursday. The two related shootings occurred around 12:45 a.m. Oct. 31 at 734 S. Division Ave. One of the people killed was the robbery suspect, police have said. His name has not been released. The robber was dead at the scene, while the victim shot afterward appears to have died at the hospital. The incident occurred following a concert and the area seems as it it was saturated with people, so the police are still sorting out testimony. The story indicates that the concealed carrier did not draw his weapon until the robber turned his gun on him, and he has not been charged.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:49:00 GMT -5
We only have half the story here. Who was the second gunman and who was the other person killed?
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 13:09:17 GMT -5
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Post by The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge on Nov 2, 2013 13:38:22 GMT -5
I hope an innocent bystander wasn't killed by a gung ho hero wannabe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 13:58:44 GMT -5
I hope an innocent bystander wasn't killed by a gung ho hero wannabe. That side of the story seems to be very... quiet. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 14:09:47 GMT -5
I hope an innocent bystander wasn't killed by a gung ho hero wannabe. This arm everybody and then will all be safe from criminals idea seems a little bit weird to me, hasn't anyone ever been out on the highway and watch how folks drive, and you're going to trust those same people with guns? Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:23:06 GMT -5
I hope an innocent bystander wasn't killed by a gung ho hero wannabe. This arm everybody and then will all be safe from criminals idea seems a little bit weird to me, hasn't anyone ever been out on the highway and watch how folks drive, and you're going to trust those same people with guns? Lol In Alaska, they already do.  |
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 16:26:09 GMT -5
This arm everybody and then will all be safe from criminals idea seems a little bit weird to me, hasn't anyone ever been out on the highway and watch how folks drive, and you're going to trust those same people with guns? Lol In Alaska, they already do. We have nothing on Chicago when it comes the crazy drivers Everyone is semi-crazy up here so obviously even the gunowners will be too it's not always a bad thing |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 2, 2013 18:45:04 GMT -5
Cops can't be there when you need them, it's best we take care of ourselves
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:16:14 GMT -5
Cops can't be there when you need them, it's best we take care of ourselves The old "911 is minutes away when seconds count". Completely true. |
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Post by aponderer on Nov 3, 2013 2:39:51 GMT -5
I hope an innocent bystander wasn't killed by a gung ho hero wannabe. This arm everybody and then will all be safe from criminals idea seems a little bit weird to me, hasn't anyone ever been out on the highway and watch how folks drive, and you're going to trust those same people with guns? Lol So then do you avoid the highway and instead ride the back trails? |
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Post by Moses on Nov 3, 2013 13:03:25 GMT -5
Cops can't be there when you need them, it's best we take care of ourselves How many times in your life so far have you had to use a gun to defend yourself? |
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Post by Moses on Nov 3, 2013 13:04:18 GMT -5
This arm everybody and then will all be safe from criminals idea seems a little bit weird to me, hasn't anyone ever been out on the highway and watch how folks drive, and you're going to trust those same people with guns? Lol So then do you avoid the highway and instead ride the back trails? Ha ha not much choice here in Alaska. We've got like what five highways, and not many roads. |
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Post by aponderer on Nov 3, 2013 13:46:41 GMT -5
Cops can't be there when you need them, it's best we take care of ourselves How many times in your life so far have you had to use a gun to defend yourself? What does that have to do with it? I'll wager most folks hope they never have to use a gun to defend themselves. Just like most folks probably think they will never be sued for liability when someone is on their property. Yet, those prudent individuals carry liability insurance just in case... |
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Post by Moses on Nov 3, 2013 13:52:49 GMT -5
How many times in your life so far have you had to use a gun to defend yourself? What does that have to do with it? I'll wager most folks hope they never have to use a gun to defend themselves. Just like most folks probably think they will never be sued for liability when someone is on their property. Yet, those prudent individuals carry liability insurance just in case... This question was not directed at you. But I do have a question for you. How many times if you had to use a gun in your life to defend yourself? |
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Post by Moses on Nov 3, 2013 13:54:50 GMT -5
I have guns. I have a shotgun sitting in my closet. But it's not a very important issue with me. I am not going to vote whether or not my gun is gonna be taken away. I don't fear that is going to be taken away.
I'm not going to vote for some whacked out right-winger, on the single issue of guns, who winds up doing nothing about guns and but ends up being a typical Republican. I really do believe the guns are a red herring issue. That's my opinion.
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Post by aponderer on Nov 3, 2013 14:13:23 GMT -5
What does that have to do with it? I'll wager most folks hope they never have to use a gun to defend themselves. Just like most folks probably think they will never be sued for liability when someone is on their property. Yet, those prudent individuals carry liability insurance just in case... This question was not directed at you. But I do have a question for you. How many times if you had to use a gun in your life to defend yourself? And here's my answer. |
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Post by aponderer on Nov 3, 2013 14:17:33 GMT -5
I have guns. I have a shotgun sitting in my closet. But it's not a very important issue with me. I am not going to vote whether or not my gun is gonna be taken away. I don't fear that is going to be taken away. I'm not going to vote for some whacked out right-winger, on the single issue of guns, who winds up doing nothing about guns and but ends up being a typical Republican. I really do believe the guns are a red herring issue. That's my opinion. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. And so are those folks whose opinion differs from yours. For instance, folks who have had to give up their guns because of a law that banned them. It has happened in the U.S.A., but this topic has been discussed at length on both the BS forum and the SSL one, so there's no need to rehash it. |
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Post by Moses on Nov 3, 2013 14:48:25 GMT -5
I have guns. I have a shotgun sitting in my closet. But it's not a very important issue with me. I am not going to vote whether or not my gun is gonna be taken away. I don't fear that is going to be taken away. I'm not going to vote for some whacked out right-winger, on the single issue of guns, who winds up doing nothing about guns and but ends up being a typical Republican. I really do believe the guns are a red herring issue. That's my opinion. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. And so are those folks whose opinion differs from yours. For instance, folks who have had to give up their guns because of a law that banned them. It has happened in the U.S.A., but this topic has been discussed at length on both the BS forum and the SSL one, so there's no need to rehash it. Yes it has been discussed ad nauseum. I really don't care what people say about guns anymore. I have my own opinion. Sometimes one's own personal thoughts to do transcend what constitutions or other rules and laws say. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 3, 2013 15:16:47 GMT -5
Cops can't be there when you need them, it's best we take care of ourselves How many times in your life so far have you had to use a gun to defend yourself? Once halfway, the perp was cutting the window glass, i moved the curtain while armed and he ran. And it never matters, always be ready. How many times have you used a fire extinguisher in your home? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 15:22:18 GMT -5
How many times in your life so far have you had to use a gun to defend yourself? Once halfway, the perp was cutting the window glass, i moved the curtain while armed and he ran. And it never matters, always be ready. How many times have you used a fire extinguisher in your home? I once had a guy trying my back door, I told him to piss off and he did, quickly. I wasn't armed. I don't have a fire extinguisher in my home. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 19:46:21 GMT -5
I have guns. I have a shotgun sitting in my closet. But it's not a very important issue with me. I am not going to vote whether or not my gun is gonna be taken away. I don't fear that is going to be taken away. I'm not going to vote for some whacked out right-winger, on the single issue of guns, who winds up doing nothing about guns and but ends up being a typical Republican. I really do believe the guns are a red herring issue. That's my opinion. Easy to say all that in a state that has excellent gun laws, and is not attempting to take them away. Let Alaska start passing onerous restrictions like Maryland has, and get back to us. Just like I give less than a half a cr@p about ANWAR being drilled and paved over since I live over 4000 miles away and will only see benefit of lower gas prices, it's easy for you to give less than half a cr@p about gun laws that don't affect your ability to defend yourself or bear arms. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 19:47:26 GMT -5
Once halfway, the perp was cutting the window glass, i moved the curtain while armed and he ran. And it never matters, always be ready. How many times have you used a fire extinguisher in your home? I once had a guy trying my back door, I told him to piss off and he did, quickly. I wasn't armed. I don't have a fire extinguisher in my home. That last one-- bad, bad idea. Guns are up to you. So is extinguisher....but kitchen fires are common. Everyone should at least have one in the kitchen. |
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 4, 2013 11:10:00 GMT -5
Exactly, I have never used my fire extinguishers and hope I never have to but fires do happen and I am prepared.
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Post by Moses on Nov 4, 2013 12:56:22 GMT -5
How many times in your life so far have you had to use a gun to defend yourself? Once halfway, the perp was cutting the window glass, i moved the curtain while armed and he ran. And it never matters, always be ready. How many times have you used a fire extinguisher in your home? None. Nor have I used my guns. Low importance issue. No one is taking them. |
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