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Post by aboutwell on Apr 22, 2014 14:12:14 GMT -5
You don't really expect aboutwell to answer anything substantively, do you? I've never actually known him to do that. He changes the subject, makes up all sorts of crazy personal stories, makes unsubstantiated statements, and asserts that he's committed election fraud - like the time he voted against Obama 6 times - sometimes while insisting election fraud doesn't exist. He's our very own Walter Mitty. Of course, he took that title from the old Wizard, but it suits him now. But substantive response to a post? No. That's just not his thing. God you can lie Thanks... and BTW... all those times I voted against Obama were legal... but I have NEVER said or even suggested that election fraud doesn't exist... because it surely does... I don't know where these people come up with this crap...
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 22, 2014 14:14:56 GMT -5
Prepperchimp? Christ on a cracker. That is what Desert Cowboy thinks as a reliable reputable news source. Toooo freaking funny!!!!! It IS a GOOD video... (great country)... and the guy IS interesting... you may want to watch the entire thing... keeping in mind the things I said about it in my previous post...
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Post by kashmir on Apr 22, 2014 14:17:27 GMT -5
I actually think you can get more accurate information from comedians like Jon Stewart than you get from actual news stations like Fox or MSN. Of course there is exaggeration and satire mixed in, but it's done in a way that allows the viewer to see between the lines. The news outlets like Fox and MSN are pure fantasy and most of what they report is unreliable. That must be why you choose to live where you live. Comparing MSN(BC) to FOX tho is purely leftist parroted ignorance. It's the 'thing to say... '. Actually ALJIZ has been pretty good on their (non-biased) coverage of this Bundy/BLM issue. Parrot ignorance? You mean like not acknowledging the United States of America while riding on a horse while waving an American Flag? Sure doesnt get much more stupid than that!!
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 22, 2014 14:19:08 GMT -5
You do know that Jon is proud of the fact that he takes clips (from MSM, and Fox) out of context and distorts the interpretation just to get a joke? He pretends to be a real news source, and actually does influence opinion with the LIV crowd, when called on his mistakes and misrepresentations he falls back on "It was just a joke", which is cowardly in my opinion. I disagree with the last thing you said because it is comedy. It's on the Comedy Channel. Who expects a show on a comedy channel to be a relieable news source? I sure don't, but it's still just as reliable as the shows that are on the news channels because each network has their own agenda and they all take things out of context. At least in Jon Stewart's case, it really is intended to be comedy. What's Hannity's excuse? I have no problem when it is a joke, but he also plays the serious interviewer and he is not joking then, no laugh track, no pithy cute smiles and expressions. That is when he is being dishonest. I cracked up when he was poking fun at public figures, I especially love his clips. I object though to his serious interviews that make people (LIV's) think he is real news, and they do you know (think he is real news).
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Post by kashmir on Apr 22, 2014 14:20:21 GMT -5
Au contraire - you are the one who injected the ludicrous notion that there are some good things about slavery. You opened the door and I walked through it with a specific question you have yet to answer substantively. Had you rendered an honest response to that question instead of indulging in post after post of sophistry, pettifoggery and evasion; that discussion would have ended with only two posts - my question and your response. You don't really expect aboutwell to answer anything substantively, do you? I've never actually known him to do that. He changes the subject, makes up all sorts of crazy personal stories, makes unsubstantiated statements, and asserts that he's committed election fraud - like the time he voted against Obama 6 times - sometimes while insisting election fraud doesn't exist. He's our very own Walter Mitty. Of course, he took that title from the old Wizard, but it suits him now. But substantive response to a post? No. That's just not his thing. LOL How rich.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 22, 2014 14:20:19 GMT -5
You are just embarrassing yourself by attempting to pass off "PrepperChimp" as a reliable news source. I take that as a no. I suggest that everyone watch the entire video... I think it's great... the guy does tell some interesting stuff... even talks about that I-15 interchange in the middle of nowhere... and exchange I have driven through several times... the country is beautiful... but unfortunately, it had little or nothing to do with the Bundy issue...
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Post by kashmir on Apr 22, 2014 14:22:16 GMT -5
I disagree with the last thing you said because it is comedy. It's on the Comedy Channel. Who expects a show on a comedy channel to be a relieable news source? I sure don't, but it's still just as reliable as the shows that are on the news channels because each network has their own agenda and they all take things out of context. At least in Jon Stewart's case, it really is intended to be comedy. What's Hannity's excuse? I have no problem when it is a joke, but he also plays the serious interviewer and he is not joking then, no laugh track, no pithy cute smiles and expressions. That is when he is being dishonest. I cracked up when he was poking fun at public figures, I especially love his clips. I object though to his serious interviews that make people (LIV's) think he is real news, and they do you know (think he is real news). I asked my husband why there was not a political comedy show like "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" for the conservatives, and he quickly replied "Of course there is, it is called Fox News and it runs 24/7.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 22, 2014 16:38:18 GMT -5
I asked my husband why there was not a political comedy show like "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" for the conservatives, and he quickly replied "Of course there is, it is called Fox News and it runs 24/7. I am glad you have found a soul mate. He nailed that one. It was that keen wit and snappy come backs that won my heart 35+ years ago.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 22, 2014 17:18:39 GMT -5
You don't really expect aboutwell to answer anything substantively, do you? I've never actually known him to do that. He changes the subject, makes up all sorts of crazy personal stories, makes unsubstantiated statements, and asserts that he's committed election fraud - like the time he voted against Obama 6 times - sometimes while insisting election fraud doesn't exist. He's our very own Walter Mitty. Of course, he took that title from the old Wizard, but it suits him now. But substantive response to a post? No. That's just not his thing. LOL How rich. What a cogent and on topic post you wrote. Just like all of the ones you write. You know, it really is a good thing board admin doesn't enforce any sort of requirement to stay on topic. Then there really would be only conservatives on this board.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 22, 2014 17:25:38 GMT -5
What a cogent and on topic post you wrote. Just like all of the ones you write. You know, it really is a good thing board admin doesn't enforce any sort of requirement to stay on topic. Then there really would be only conservatives on this board. Really? That is your complaint? Mine is that no one links to support their ridiculous claims and accusations.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 22, 2014 18:24:32 GMT -5
Really? That is your complaint? Mine is that no one links to support their ridiculous claims and accusations. You have shown today that you are capable of posting reasoned arguments, so why do you choose to post snark most of the time? You are just collecting more people who ignore you, and what is the fun in that? It is against TOS to be a troll, and to respond to a troll. Since the Mods don't post the punishments given out for trolling it isn't obvious what they consider a trolling post. Read JoeFridays posts, he is just as extreme a leftie as you are, and he always writes full posts, and rarely snarks. I have been trying not to snark as well, we all fail occasionally. Interesting enough, you chose me (the leftie) to speak to about snarks and trolls. No righie, mind you, even though there are more of them who snark. Carry on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 18:28:38 GMT -5
You have shown today that you are capable of posting reasoned arguments, so why do you choose to post snark most of the time? You are just collecting more people who ignore you, and what is the fun in that? It is against TOS to be a troll, and to respond to a troll. Since the Mods don't post the punishments given out for trolling it isn't obvious what they consider a trolling post. Read JoeFridays posts, he is just as extreme a leftie as you are, and he always writes full posts, and rarely snarks. I have been trying not to snark as well, we all fail occasionally. Interesting enough, you chose me (the leftie) to speak to about snarks and trolls. No righie, mind you, even though there are more of them who snark. Carry on. IMO, I believe that rightie snarks get a free pass most of the time.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 22, 2014 21:48:05 GMT -5
Interesting enough, you chose me (the leftie) to speak to about snarks and trolls. No righie, mind you, even though there are more of them who snark. Carry on. Why would I single out a rightie? They do not snark every post, and certainly not mine like you do. I don't see the ratio of snark to valid posts being higher in righties, in fact just the reverse. I have noted that you did try and post thoughts today, and then for some reason gave up and went back to pure snark. Read Joe Friday's posts, he is a prime example of a good poster, way better than a lot of righties on this board, that doesn't mean I agree with his posts, just that he does homework, and expresses his opinion on the post. More cannot be asked for.
Know what I saw? blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. you have zip credibility Howie.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 22, 2014 22:30:56 GMT -5
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 23, 2014 7:41:04 GMT -5
Good find. Now let's see if it turns out to be true. Maybe it will turn out like native American warren stories were passed down in the family, remember that was good enough for her.
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Post by Moses on Apr 23, 2014 10:44:01 GMT -5
Really? That is your complaint? Mine is that no one links to support their ridiculous claims and accusations. You have shown today that you are capable of posting reasoned arguments, so why do you choose to post snark most of the time? You are just collecting more people who ignore you, and what is the fun in that? It is against TOS to be a troll, and to respond to a troll. Since the Mods don't post the punishments given out for trolling it isn't obvious what they consider a trolling post. Read JoeFridays posts, he is just as extreme a leftie as you are, and he always writes full posts, and rarely snarks. I have been trying not to snark as well, we all fail occasionally. Lol
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Post by Desert Cowboy on Apr 23, 2014 14:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by kashmir on Apr 23, 2014 14:50:28 GMT -5
Know what I saw? blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. you have zip credibility Howie. With you I am not surprised, now do you speak for the forum? I doubt that. If you choose to write troll style posts then of course that is your choice. Credibility isn't very high for that kind post.you know. Read it again, show everyone where it says that I speak for the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 15:31:52 GMT -5
Along the lines of Bastiat, ask yourself this question about government actions, "If I were to do the exact same thing as a private citizen, would I be charged with a crime for doing it?" If the answer is 'yes' then chances are the government is doing something unethical.
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Post by rentedmule on Apr 23, 2014 15:59:08 GMT -5
Another Tragedy of the Commons. Well said Cowboy... political empire and individuals attempting to best the keepers of the Kings Land. It's amusing to watch those who champion the Husbands and those who cheer the Usurpers. But this tragedy is so avoidable in a genuine republic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 16:32:25 GMT -5
With you I am not surprised, now do you speak for the forum? I doubt that. If you choose to write troll style posts then of course that is your choice. Credibility isn't very high for that kind post.you know. Read it again, show everyone where it says that I speak for the forum. He is allowed to make things up and attribute false positions to others... special privileges I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 16:34:07 GMT -5
Read it again, show everyone where it says that I speak for the forum. And you can read mine and see that I didn't say you spoke for the forum. That was your inference and well you know it.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 23, 2014 16:56:02 GMT -5
Along the lines of Bastiat, ask yourself this question about government actions, "If I were to do the exact same thing as a private citizen, would I be charged with a crime for doing it?" If the answer is 'yes' then chances are the government is doing something unethical. And that really is the problem with what's going on with Bundy. I don't think anyone disputes that Bundy owes at least several hundred thousand dollars - not even Bundy disagrees with that. I don't think anyone disputes that Bundy doesn't own the land (he doesn't dispute that either), and very few people dispute that he doesn't have a right do graze his cattle on that land. What the dispute is mostly about is the heavy-handedness of the government's response, and to a lesser extent BLM's management practices on the land in question. If you, or I, sent a SWAT team in to intimidate our neighbors over some cattle, we'd be charged with a crime. Of course, you and I would have the sense to sit down with Bundy and attempt to come to a mutually agreeable solution to this problem instead of just issuing dictates.
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Post by joefriday on Apr 23, 2014 17:02:41 GMT -5
Along the lines of Bastiat, ask yourself this question about government actions, "If I were to do the exact same thing as a private citizen, would I be charged with a crime for doing it?" If the answer is 'yes' then chances are the government is doing something unethical. And that really is the problem with what's going on with Bundy. I don't think anyone disputes that Bundy owes at least several hundred thousand dollars - not even Bundy disagrees with that. I don't think anyone disputes that Bundy doesn't own the land (he doesn't dispute that either), and very few people dispute that he doesn't have a right do graze his cattle on that land. What the dispute is mostly about is the heavy-handedness of the government's response, and to a lesser extent BLM's management practices on the land in question. If you, or I, sent a SWAT team in to intimidate our neighbors over some cattle, we'd be charged with a crime. Of course, you and I would have the sense to sit down with Bundy and attempt to come to a mutually agreeable solution to this problem instead of just issuing dictates. If Bundy were Black, do you think that outrage would be there? I don't. There may be no better example of racist privilege than the right to flout the government's authority and then back its agents down at gunpoint.
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