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Post by redleg on Apr 14, 2014 9:51:24 GMT -5
I heard that removing the cattle would cause the tortoises to die as they eat the cow pies. The intent was not to remove all the cattle... only reduce them to 150... IOW, bankrupt Bundy. Like they've done to so many other ranchers.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 14, 2014 10:06:31 GMT -5
Probably the same people who are paying you. This poster came on and has made 9 posts about this cattle rancher. He is a shill, and just because you agree with his erroneous stance doesn't make him anymore than what he is, a shill. I couldn't take money for posting, it would be like taking candy from a baby. You guys are a hoot!!! We are no funnier than you. And who said that I totally agreed with him? And in your mind who do you think would pay him to post on anonymous forums about cattle ranches in NV?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 14, 2014 10:15:56 GMT -5
Cliven Bundy is a Big Fat Million Dollar Welfare Dead Beat! I mean, if you really look at the facts of the case at the heart of his dispute with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing fees he's refused to pay for the last 20 years - Cliven Bundy has long enjoyed the benefit of Federal Resources without actually meeting the requirements for access to those resources. The issue has been litigated in court, more than once, and Bundy has lost each time on the merits of his case. He is NOT ENTITLED to access to this land. It doesn't belong to him. In fact that land Belongs to ME and to every other citizen of the United States. That's MY Land that his cows have been grazing on for 20 years and he OWES ME and the rest of the American People for it. Cliven Bundy is a God Damn [Corporate] Benefits Dead Beat and a THEIF. He's a Moocher! A Lazy Taker!. He should pay the frack up, or else face jail. I mean isn't that how all those good Americans on Fox News like Eric Bolling are constantly telling us about people who Improperly take Federal Benefits! Just listen. What make Cliven Bundy any different from all the guys who go out and buy Weed, Booze and Lap Dances using an EBT Card? [Never mind the fact that if you can get cash via E.B.T., you can legally spend it on anything you like!] If they should be strung up by the heels for ripping off the American Public, why shouldn't he? I mean, seriously. www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/13/1291642/-Cliven-Bundy-is-a-Big-Fat-Million-Dollar-Welfare-Dead-BeatYou just have to love the rhetoric at dailykos, they take a kernel of truth and distort it into a leftie diatribe. I agree that he should have been paying the fee's for use of the land, and I am amazed that our courts have no teeth in enforcing the judgements that they pass down. But we have seen this at high levels in the federal government, congress gives contempt charges, and nothing happens, presidents lie under oath and really nothing happens, presidents ignore the law and nothing happens, the AG doesn't enforce the law equally and nothing happens, the IRS targets conservative groups and nothing happens, the IRS is now stealing refund checks because the parents of these people might or might not have gotten too much money from SS (who's fault would that be?) and SS can't even provide documentation on that, and I would be nothing will happen there either. Is it really a surprise that common people are now starting to ignore the laws, this in my opinion is what happens when there are too many laws that are applied unequally, people just pick and choose which to follow, and ignore the rest. Personally I think we need to start dropping the laws that are not enforced uniformly on EVERYONE, get it simpler, then strictly enforce all the laws we keep. Consistency is how you become a good parent, and the Feds want to be the parent they need to be consistent if they expect their kids to obey. So we need to ask why didn't the feds file liens on his actual property for the back fee's he owed, and has owed since 93? I think on the feds side they are unfairly targeting ranchers in the area over a bogus tortoise issue so that the can kick off all the ranchers and take over the water, and land use for their pet projects like solar, and developments. Follow the money is how you find out. The Feds need to give all the BLM land back to the states to manage, that wouldn't let bundy off the hook, but it would make it a local matter.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 14, 2014 10:16:51 GMT -5
The intent was not to remove all the cattle... only reduce them to 150... IOW, bankrupt Bundy. Like they've done to so many other ranchers. Well we know that meat is bad, and that cows cause global warming.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 14, 2014 10:16:52 GMT -5
The intent was not to remove all the cattle... only reduce them to 150... IOW, bankrupt Bundy. Like they've done to so many other ranchers. Really? You have a link for all the ranchers that have bankrupted?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 10:20:55 GMT -5
IOW, bankrupt Bundy. Like they've done to so many other ranchers. Well we know that meat is bad, and that cows cause global warming. Oh yes and the current administration is out to stop cows from passing gas. Too funny.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 14, 2014 10:51:13 GMT -5
Well we know that meat is bad, and that cows cause global warming. Oh yes and the current administration is out to stop cows from passing gas. Too funny. It is from American Scientific so I doubt it is on your reading list. Too Funny!!! How Meat Contributes to Global WarmingMost of us are aware that our cars, our coal-generated electric power and even our cement factories adversely affect the environment. Until recently, however, the foods we eat had gotten a pass in the discussion. Yet according to a 2006 report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), our diets and, specifically, the meat in them cause more greenhouse gases carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, nitrous oxide, and the like to spew into the atmosphere than either transportation or industry. (Greenhouse gases trap solar energy, thereby warming the earth's surface. Because gases vary in greenhouse potency, every greenhouse gas is usually expressed as an amount of CO2 with the same global-warming potential.) www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-greenhouse-hamburger/
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Post by redleg on Apr 14, 2014 11:02:43 GMT -5
Oh yes and the current administration is out to stop cows from passing gas. Too funny. It is from American Scientific so I doubt it is on your reading list. Too Funny!!! How Meat Contributes to Global WarmingMost of us are aware that our cars, our coal-generated electric power and even our cement factories adversely affect the environment. Until recently, however, the foods we eat had gotten a pass in the discussion. Yet according to a 2006 report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), our diets and, specifically, the meat in them cause more greenhouse gases carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, nitrous oxide, and the like to spew into the atmosphere than either transportation or industry. (Greenhouse gases trap solar energy, thereby warming the earth's surface. Because gases vary in greenhouse potency, every greenhouse gas is usually expressed as an amount of CO2 with the same global-warming potential.) www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-greenhouse-hamburger/Ah, more propaganda. "Greenhouse gasses" is nothing more than a bedtime story to scare children and Leftists (but I repeat myself). Notice that solar activity is never mentioned, and that's the greatest factor in either warming or cooling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 11:11:03 GMT -5
This is one of the more egregious failures of the extremists that populate places like the dailykos. They like to make claims that this is 'our land' and then specifically exclude people they don't like from using 'our land'. This is the tragedy of the commons on steroids. There is absolutely no reason to take this crap seriously when claims of 'our land' devolve into actually meaning 'my land' under no pretense other than authoritarianism.
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Post by Desert Cowboy on Apr 14, 2014 11:14:28 GMT -5
Probably the same people who are paying you. This poster came on and has made 9 posts about this cattle rancher. He is a shill, and just because you agree with his erroneous stance doesn't make him anymore than what he is, a shill. I couldn't take money for posting, it would be like taking candy from a baby. You guys are a hoot!!! Most assuredly I am not a shill.... nor am I 'paid'. Apparently those such as yourself (sadly) can't fathom advocacy without monetary compensation. I suspect you're a liberal urbanite statist tho... so you have little (or no) comprehension of what cowboys are about, or ever will. Personally, I don't care.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 14, 2014 11:20:05 GMT -5
This poster came on and has made 9 posts about this cattle rancher. He is a shill, and just because you agree with his erroneous stance doesn't make him anymore than what he is, a shill. I couldn't take money for posting, it would be like taking candy from a baby. You guys are a hoot!!! Most assuredly I am not a shill.... nor am I 'paid'. Apparently those such as yourself (sadly) can't fathom advocacy without monetary compensation. I suspect you're a liberal urbanite statist tho... so you have little (or no) comprehension of what cowboys are about, or ever will. Personally, I don't care. So you just showed up here a few days ago to defend this thief lawbreaker out of the goodness of your heart? Sure ya did.
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Post by kashmir on Apr 14, 2014 11:22:13 GMT -5
It is from American Scientific so I doubt it is on your reading list. Too Funny!!! How Meat Contributes to Global WarmingMost of us are aware that our cars, our coal-generated electric power and even our cement factories adversely affect the environment. Until recently, however, the foods we eat had gotten a pass in the discussion. Yet according to a 2006 report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), our diets and, specifically, the meat in them cause more greenhouse gases carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, nitrous oxide, and the like to spew into the atmosphere than either transportation or industry. (Greenhouse gases trap solar energy, thereby warming the earth's surface. Because gases vary in greenhouse potency, every greenhouse gas is usually expressed as an amount of CO2 with the same global-warming potential.) www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-greenhouse-hamburger/Ah, more propaganda. "Greenhouse gasses" is nothing more than a bedtime story to scare children and Leftists (but I repeat myself). Notice that solar activity is never mentioned, and that's the greatest factor in either warming or cooling. I guess you know more than the scientists that are studying this? You are so well rounded. LOLOLOLOLOL
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 14, 2014 11:24:33 GMT -5
Most assuredly I am not a shill.... nor am I 'paid'. Apparently those such as yourself (sadly) can't fathom advocacy without monetary compensation. I suspect you're a liberal urbanite statist tho... so you have little (or no) comprehension of what cowboys are about, or ever will. Personally, I don't care. So you just showed up here a few days ago to defend this thief lawbreaker out of the goodness of your heart? Sure ya did. And you showed up to give us the leftie comic relief on all topics. In case you didn't notice he has posted on other theads, but we all post on the topics that interest us. Really are you that ignorant as to how forums and threads work? Everyone starts with 0 posts you know.
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Post by Desert Cowboy on Apr 14, 2014 12:09:47 GMT -5
Most assuredly I am not a shill.... nor am I 'paid'. Apparently those such as yourself (sadly) can't fathom advocacy without monetary compensation. I suspect you're a liberal urbanite statist tho... so you have little (or no) comprehension of what cowboys are about, or ever will. Personally, I don't care. So you just showed up here a few days ago to defend this thief lawbreaker out of the goodness of your heart? Sure ya did. Actually... it was 3 posts relative to Bundy (not counting this one). My other interest was (is) ML-370 and the school stabbing in PA. But... no matter.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 12:24:46 GMT -5
It's nice to see that, when truly driven to the wall, there are folks in parts of this country that will taken an armed stance of resistance to the Feds- and get the Feds to back down without any loss of life. Small bands of armed citizens can challenge large bureaucracies- and win. This is a good day for America.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 14, 2014 12:36:46 GMT -5
It's nice to see that, when truly driven to the wall, there are folks in parts of this country that will taken an armed stance of resistance to the Feds- and get the Feds to back down without any loss of life. Small bands of armed citizens can challenge large bureaucracies- and win. This is a good day for America. But probably only in election years when the dems backs are against the wall.
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Post by Desert Cowboy on Apr 14, 2014 12:49:47 GMT -5
It's nice to see that, when truly driven to the wall, there are folks in parts of this country that will taken an armed stance of resistance to the Feds- and get the Feds to back down without any loss of life. Small bands of armed citizens can challenge large bureaucracies- and win. This is a good day for America. I seriously considered making the trek up to Clark County (approx. 500 miles one-way) to join them. Unfortunately... other responsibilities prevented that. This isn't over though. I think everybody understands that, but the Feds are going to have to reckon with a renewed willingness to take an armed stand against tyranny. Before anybody goes off on a tangent about the might of the US 'forces'... etc., may I remind you that we've been defeated or held at bay in recent wars by mere irregular riflemen. There's more of those here than any nation on earth. Just because these mercenary 'cops' are all tac'd up and militarized doesn't make them soldiers. They'll lick the political hands that sign their paychecks, but they're not willing to die for them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 13:12:28 GMT -5
It's nice to see that, when truly driven to the wall, there are folks in parts of this country that will taken an armed stance of resistance to the Feds- and get the Feds to back down without any loss of life. Small bands of armed citizens can challenge large bureaucracies- and win. This is a good day for America. But probably only in election years when the dems backs are against the wall. Could be but I hope not!
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Post by The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge on Apr 14, 2014 13:12:54 GMT -5
I don't eat beef and I'd like a job at one of those new solar plants that will employ a few thousand taxpayers. I say give that freeloading dirt-bag off the land and do something productive with it.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 14, 2014 13:15:18 GMT -5
The Bundy family’s battle with the federal government--now playing out in international news coverage—began in 1993 with the listing of a native tortoise incorporated under the Endangered Species Act. As a result, the U.S. Department of Interior’s Bureau of Land Management (BLM) informed grazing permit holders like Bundy that cattle counts would need to be reduced to 150 head. That same year, the Bundy permit was eligible for renewal but was not executed. The permit was later revoked in 1994 by the BLM for nonpayment on the renewal, according to federal court records.
Claiming that the Bundy family continued to graze livestock on their old Bunkerville Allotment without permit, the BLM sought an injunction in federal court to correct the “trespass” in 1998. The court ordered the Bundy family remove all non-permitted livestock by November 30, 1998 or face fines of $200 per head, per day. The family appealed to the 9th Circuit Court—only to be denied in May 1999.
The Bundy family patriarch has openly stated his willingness to use force against federal agents if they take his cattle off of the federal lands; the federal agents stand ready to use force against the family or their supporters if they interfere with the cattle removal. www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 13:15:43 GMT -5
I don't eat beef and I'd like a job at one of those new solar plants that will employ a few thousand taxpayers. I say give that freeloading dirt-bag off the land and do something productive with it. Well good luck with that- whole lot of armed folks willing to fight disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 13:16:35 GMT -5
Cattle ranching isn't productive?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Apr 14, 2014 13:16:46 GMT -5
I don't eat beef and I'd like a job at one of those new solar plants that will employ a few thousand taxpayers. I say give that freeloading dirt-bag off the land and do something productive with it. So why can't both be there?
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Post by Desert Cowboy on Apr 14, 2014 13:18:09 GMT -5
I don't eat beef and I'd like a job at one of those new solar plants that will employ a few thousand taxpayers. I say give that freeloading dirt-bag off the land and do something productive with it. Yeah... cause solar 'anything' has proven to be so successful. There's a running joke that if Bundy had named his ranch 'Benghazi'... none of the Feds would have shown up at all. Anyway.... where do you think your Big Mac comes from? The Beef Fairy? How many thousands are involved in producing that? Ahh... I see your edit that you 'dont' eat beef'. How vegen of you. Name calling too... from a mod?
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 14, 2014 13:20:00 GMT -5
I don't eat beef and I'd like a job at one of those new solar plants that will employ a few thousand taxpayers. I say give that freeloading dirt-bag off the land and do something productive with it. Yeah... cause solar 'anything' has proven to be so successful. There's a running joke that if Bundy had named his ranch 'Benghazi'... none of the Feds would have shown up at all. Anyway.... where do you think your Big Mac comes from? The Beef Fairy? How many thousands are involved in producing that? The U.S. has been producing beef in Argentina for many years...
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