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Post by Moses on Jul 18, 2014 16:58:03 GMT -5
I was given good advice yesterday. "Don't feed the trolls" This post here is nothing but trolling. You are nothing but a troll. Stop.
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Post by Moses on Jul 18, 2014 16:59:45 GMT -5
That is just a horrible thing to say. You should be ashamed. Its just for shock value .... No it's not. It's making fun of you guys ridiculous and one sided attitude palestinians
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:04:07 GMT -5
That is just a horrible thing to say. You should be ashamed. Oh I see. You think I meant it. You didn't detect any sarcasm or anything there? As someone else noted, don't feed the trolls. This thread is top heavy with them and in reality, you really can't fix stupid, that's why I've abandoned it.
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Post by Moses on Jul 18, 2014 17:09:28 GMT -5
Oh I see. You think I meant it. You didn't detect any sarcasm or anything there? As someone else noted, don't feed the trolls. This thread is top heavy with them and in reality, you really can't fix stupid, that's why I've abandoned it. The humor of it does grow old. Because there's nothing redeeming about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:27:11 GMT -5
As someone else noted, don't feed the trolls. This thread is top heavy with them and in reality, you really can't fix stupid, that's why I've abandoned it. The humor of it does grow old. Because there's nothing redeeming about it. It pointless following it now anyway, I can summarize it in a few lines, it has been established that: Israel = good, Palestine = bad. America = right, the rest of the world = wrong. The rest of the world is indoctrinated by propaganda, the citizens of America are not subject to such propaganda. America is the only country in the world that has free speech, all other countries, speaking freely will get you shot, or at least arrested and chained upside down by the ankles. That just about covers it and it is all perfectly true, one only has to look at the quality and authority of the informed participants.
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Post by Moses on Jul 18, 2014 17:28:37 GMT -5
The humor of it does grow old. Because there's nothing redeeming about it. It pointless following it now anyway, I can summarize it in a few lines, it has been established that: Israel = good, Palestine = bad. America = right, the rest of the world = wrong. The rest of the world is indoctrinated by propaganda, the citizens of America are not subject to such propaganda. America is the only country in the world that has free speech, all other countries, speaking freely will get you shot, or at least arrested and chained upside down by the ankles. That just about covers it and it is all perfectly true, one only has to look at the quality and authority of the informed participants. Hey you're insulting a lot of good Americans. We're not all bunch of right-wing crazies.
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Post by vosa on Jul 19, 2014 10:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by aponderer on Jul 19, 2014 17:29:48 GMT -5
The humor of it does grow old. Because there's nothing redeeming about it. It pointless following it now anyway, I can summarize it in a few lines, it has been established that: Israel = good, Palestine = bad. America = right, the rest of the world = wrong. The rest of the world is indoctrinated by propaganda, the citizens of America are not subject to such propaganda. America is the only country in the world that has free speech, all other countries, speaking freely will get you shot, or at least arrested and chained upside down by the ankles. That just about covers it and it is all perfectly true, one only has to look at the quality and authority of the informed participants. Speaking of discussions and debate.... You made quite a claim, earlier, but when called on it, you don't seem to want to back it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 19:54:58 GMT -5
It pointless following it now anyway, I can summarize it in a few lines, it has been established that: Israel = good, Palestine = bad. America = right, the rest of the world = wrong. The rest of the world is indoctrinated by propaganda, the citizens of America are not subject to such propaganda. America is the only country in the world that has free speech, all other countries, speaking freely will get you shot, or at least arrested and chained upside down by the ankles. That just about covers it and it is all perfectly true, one only has to look at the quality and authority of the informed participants. Speaking of discussions and debate.... You made quite a claim, earlier, but when called on it, you don't seem to want to back it up. The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 19, 2014 21:17:47 GMT -5
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of. Or it just goes to show how brainwashed the EU is.
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 19, 2014 21:23:57 GMT -5
If you lob missiles at your militarily superior neighbor, it's not going to end well for you. Common sense isn't all that common There isn't a thimble full of common sense in the Middle East
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Post by redleg on Jul 19, 2014 22:40:46 GMT -5
How many rockets can I fire at you and still expect you to do nothing about it? How long can I imprison you, deny you of basic humanitarian needs, control your every move, kill a hundred or more of you for every one of me and not expect you to do anything about it. So, who are you talking about? Israel has "imprisoned" only those that have attacked them. And why shouldn't Israel "kill a hundred or more" for every Israeli killed? They didn't start the killing, nor are they keeping it going. That's your hero's Hamas.
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Post by redleg on Jul 19, 2014 22:44:53 GMT -5
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of. Based on what? Israel was attacked, 3 different times, by Arab countries. They kept the territory they won in those battles as a buffer zone from their enemies. Why shouldn't they build there? They own it, through right of conquest. They were attacked, and they won. The "rest of the world" simply hates Jews, and wants Israel to go away. Why should Israel listen to them?
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Post by aponderer on Jul 19, 2014 22:59:03 GMT -5
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of. What international community? Israel is a member of the UN.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 20, 2014 4:46:05 GMT -5
A vote in the UN does not imply either moral or legal correctness; a vote in the UN only means that the resolution is compatible or not compatible with a particular nation's political agenda. The last vote on this issue was, I believe, in 2011 and the Obama Administration vetoed the resolution. While the US disagrees with the settlements, the US also realizes that until and unless Israel is able to feel secure in its existence, such votes do not to affect reality and only further exacerbate the situation.
This was a good foreign policy vote by the US. Hey, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 5:20:04 GMT -5
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of. Or it just goes to show how brainwashed the EU is. No, it actually shows how the US is isolationist. It is very easy for a government to 'educate' and cojntrol it's citizens when they are so parochial. For you to be 'right' pretty much the whole of the rest of the world has to be 'wrong'. That is one hell of a load of arrogance, that I personally do not subscribe to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 5:27:37 GMT -5
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of. Based on what? Israel was attacked, 3 different times, by Arab countries. They kept the territory they won in those battles as a buffer zone from their enemies. Why shouldn't they build there? They own it, through right of conquest. They were attacked, and they won. The "rest of the world" simply hates Jews, and wants Israel to go away. Why should Israel listen to them? You really should educate yourself a little better. Israel started the 6 day war with what is laughingly called a preemptive attack. It is against international law to retain land gained through conquest. Israel was carved out of Palestine, were the Palestinians active combatants in the 6 six day war?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 5:38:40 GMT -5
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of. What international community? A quite ridiculous question. Israel is a member of the UN. Only when it suits them to be, they are in violation of more UN resolutions than all he rest of the member states put together. You just don't like the fact that the rest of the world sees Israel for what it truly is, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have an AIPAC running their countries and actually have freer speech (what you would call anti-Semitism) than the US has.
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 20, 2014 6:49:30 GMT -5
A quite ridiculous question. Only when it suits them to be, they are in violation of more UN resolutions than all he rest of the member states put together. You just don't like the fact that the rest of the world sees Israel for what it truly is, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have an AIPAC running their countries and actually have freer speech (what you would call anti-Semitism) than the US has. You seem to have a limited appreciation of American Government? You do raise some interesting cultural observations. I also have noticed a peculiar bias in the political decision making at the higher levels. One actress I always thought highly of as a professional, Vanessa Redgrave, has been effectively "black listed" for decades presumably for her support of Palestinians. It seems odd!
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Post by aponderer on Jul 20, 2014 6:55:21 GMT -5
The international community considers the establishment of Israeli settlements in the Israeli occupied territories illegal under international law. The countries that you listed are all member states of the UN. Thusly they all regard the settlements illegal. That is not propaganda, that is a solid fact. That the US, also a member of the UN, does not actively support the UN and the rest of the world in the condemnation of Israeli land stealing and apartheid methods is a stain on the US and nothing to be proud of. What international community? A quite ridiculous question. Quite an ad hominem response [as usual]. Why do you very frequently duck the issue with your arrogant "dismissals" instead of actually addressing the issue? Israel is a member of the UN. Only when it suits them to be, they are in violation of more UN resolutions than all he rest of the member states put together. You just don't like the fact that the rest of the world sees Israel for what it truly is, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have an AIPAC running their countries and actually have freer speech (what you would call anti-Semitism) than the US has. One would think that even you should know that when the UN makes a "resolution" it doesn't mean that all UN members states sign on to the resolution. Not only that, but the UN doesn't speak for "the rest of the world." If you can provide the roll call vote of all the member states of the UN agreeing to any one of those resolutions against Israel, then I'll entertain your claim that "the rest of the world condemns Israel." But you can't...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 7:04:09 GMT -5
What international community? A quite ridiculous question. Quite an ad hominem response [as usual]. Why do you very frequently duck the issue with your arrogant "dismissals" instead of actually addressing the issue? Israel is a member of the UN. Only when it suits them to be, they are in violation of more UN resolutions than all he rest of the member states put together. You just don't like the fact that the rest of the world sees Israel for what it truly is, probably because the rest of the world doesn't have an AIPAC running their countries and actually have freer speech (what you would call anti-Semitism) than the US has. One would think that even you should know that when the UN makes a "resolution" it doesn't mean that all UN members states sign on to the resolution. Not only that, but the UN doesn't speak for "the rest of the world." If you can provide the roll call vote of all the member states of the UN agreeing to any one of those resolutions against Israel, then I'll entertain your claim that "the rest of the world condemns Israel." But you can't... Dude, learn what 'ad hominem' means. It is 'to the man', I criticized your post, not you. The rest of your post in my opinion is just a weak effort to try to discredit that which is already accepted. The international community considers Israeli settlements on Israeli occupied land wholly illegal. That is an undisputed fact, be honest with yourself and deal with it.
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Post by aponderer on Jul 20, 2014 7:37:14 GMT -5
Quite an ad hominem response [as usual]. Why do you very frequently duck the issue with your arrogant "dismissals" instead of actually addressing the issue? One would think that even you should know that when the UN makes a "resolution" it doesn't mean that all UN members states sign on to the resolution. Not only that, but the UN doesn't speak for "the rest of the world." If you can provide the roll call vote of all the member states of the UN agreeing to any one of those resolutions against Israel, then I'll entertain your claim that "the rest of the world condemns Israel." But you can't... Dude, learn what 'ad hominem' means. It is 'to the man', I criticized your post, not you. The rest of your post in my opinion is just a weak effort to try to discredit t hat which is already accepted. The international community considers Israeli settlements on Israeli occupied land wholly illegal. That is an in disputed fact, be honest with yourself and deal with it. I know what ad hominem means, but you apparently don't. For example, if a person claims "That was an idiotic post because... ... blah blah" that is a criticism of the poster's post. However, claiming only "That was an idiotic post" (without justification as to why its "idiotic") is a criticism of the person who made that "idiotic" post. You also failed to provide (as predicted) proof that the whole UN (or the rest of the world) supported of any of those "resolutions against Israel." BTW Article 51 of the UN Charter addresses self defense. When Israel comes under attack, Israel has the right to defend itself.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 20, 2014 7:43:11 GMT -5
Only the loony left sides with terrorists. No surprise that the brainwashed EU does.
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Post by redleg on Jul 20, 2014 8:00:44 GMT -5
Or it just goes to show how brainwashed the EU is. No, it actually shows how the US is isolationist. It is very easy for a government to 'educate' and cojntrol it's citizens when they are so parochial. For you to be 'right' pretty much the whole of the rest of the world has to be 'wrong'. That is one hell of a load of arrogance, that I personally do not subscribe to. So, you are a serf, who simply does and thinks what "the crowd" tells you to do or think?
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Post by redleg on Jul 20, 2014 8:03:52 GMT -5
Based on what? Israel was attacked, 3 different times, by Arab countries. They kept the territory they won in those battles as a buffer zone from their enemies. Why shouldn't they build there? They own it, through right of conquest. They were attacked, and they won. The "rest of the world" simply hates Jews, and wants Israel to go away. Why should Israel listen to them? You really should educate yourself a little better. Israel started the 6 day war with what is laughingly called a preemptive attack. It is against international law to retain land gained through conquest. Israel was carved out of Palestine, were the Palestinians active combatants in the 6 six day war?There is no Palestine. There has never been a Palestine, in your definitions. The only "Palestine" was when Rome conquered the entire area, and called it all "Palestine". And that "preemptive attack" was in response to 3 Arab nations massing their troops on Israel's border.
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