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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 21, 2014 3:24:49 GMT -5
You sir, are a coward, unable to answer a straightforward question. Haha this place never lets me down. I'm a coward now.... Good for you. The first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 5:50:57 GMT -5
If you can put your hatred to one side for 52 minutes and watch this award winning documentary, you will see that your above statement could not be more wrong. Something (however) tells me that you will not watch it and simply continue with your own hatred. You mean this John Pilgar? Pilger has been a strong critic of American and British foreign policy, which he considers to be driven by an imperialist agenda.
With others,[60] Pilger supported Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, by pledging bail in December 2010. Pilger said at the time: "There's no doubt that he is not going to abscond".[61] Pilger featured the Wikileaks editor-in-chief in his documentary The War You Don't See (2010).[62] Pilger described the accusations against Assange in Sweden as a "political stunt"[63] consisting of "concocted charges",[64] an opinion British left-wing journalist Owen Jones has implicitly criticised.[65]
Yes, I mean The John Pilger. If you are going to resort to the discrediting the messenger tactics, then any effort at discussion with you would be futile. Good day.
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Post by rentedmule on Jul 21, 2014 6:18:51 GMT -5
If you can put your hatred to one side for 52 minutes and watch this award winning documentary, you will see that your above statement could not be more wrong. Something (however) tells me that you will not watch it and simply continue with your own hatred. You mean this John Pilgar? Pilger has been a strong critic of American and British foreign policy, which he considers to be driven by an imperialist agenda.
With others,[60] Pilger supported Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, by pledging bail in December 2010. Pilger said at the time: "There's no doubt that he is not going to abscond".[61] Pilger featured the Wikileaks editor-in-chief in his documentary The War You Don't See (2010).[62] Pilger described the accusations against Assange in Sweden as a "political stunt"[63] consisting of "concocted charges",[64] an opinion British left-wing journalist Owen Jones has implicitly criticised.[65]
A critic of American foreign policy? "driven by an imperialist agenda"? Where would he ever get that notion? The man must be some radical.
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Post by Moses on Jul 21, 2014 8:26:52 GMT -5
Haha this place never lets me down. I'm a coward now.... Good for you. The first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have it. Forums: where climate scientists/psychologists reside !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 10:12:59 GMT -5
Do you not think it odd that those masses in the other countries, ie practically everyone but Israel and the USA, have a different viewpoint, have you ever, even for a moment, considered that US citizens might be subjected to a little propaganda manipulation themselves? Is practically the whole of the rest of the world wrong and only America right? Yes the entire world has been brainwashed. That is pretty clear when there is no justification for Hamas to be sending missiles into Israel. You might also note that the US is the only country that has a free press, and freedom of speech. If, as you say, the US has "free press , and freedom of speech", explain why this documentary has never been shown on US media. It's only been around since 1997 and has been seen around the world in countries with, according to you, less freedom speech and less free media.
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Post by vosa on Jul 21, 2014 10:52:46 GMT -5
I don't think it's a question of Israel giving the Palestinians the chance. After their defeat in WWII the Germans # 1 priority was re-building their country, at least it was in the FRG. Every time the Palestinians have been defeated by the Israelis their # 1 priority has been getting revenge, i.e., killing Jews. If they took half the time, money and energy they have been pouring into getting revenge and invested in improving their lot in life things would be a lot better for them and they might stop thinking about revenge. But then their one trick leaders would be out of a job. Can't have that. So the beat goes on. If you can put your hatred to one side for 52 minutes and watch this award winning documentary, you will see that your above statement could not be more wrong. Something (however) tells me that you will not watch it and simply continue with your own hatred. Sorry, I don't have 52 minutes to watch the video. Perhaps you can summarize it for my by describing all the good things that Hamas has brought to their Palestinian constituents. And please get off the "hate" dodge. Your continued usage of it to avoid intelligent discussion is becoming trite.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 10:56:18 GMT -5
Yes the entire world has been brainwashed. That is pretty clear when there is no justification for Hamas to be sending missiles into Israel. You might also note that the US is the only country that has a free press, and freedom of speech. If, as you say, the US has "free press , and freedom of speech", explain why this documentary has never been shown on US media. It's only been around since 1997 and has been seen around the world in countries with, according to you, less freedom speech and less free media. Good question, why don't the lefties show it? Can you show where it is officially banned? Personally my opinion is that no one would pay money to watch it so no network is willing to broadcast it. Or maybe it is so full of lies that even our leftie leaning media couldn't get away with showing it. Remember we do have slander/libel laws.
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Post by vosa on Jul 21, 2014 11:14:23 GMT -5
If, as you say, the US has "free press , and freedom of speech", explain why this documentary has never been shown on US media. It's only been around since 1997 and has been seen around the world in countries with, according to you, less freedom speech and less free media. Good question, why don't the lefties show it? Can you show where it is officially banned? Personally my opinion is that no one would pay money to watch it so no network is willing to broadcast it. Or maybe it is so full of lies that even our leftie leaning media couldn't get away with showing it. Remember we do have slander/libel laws. Initially it doesn't even have to be the networks. The pro-Palestinians in the U.S. and elsewhere could buy local air time in the big markets, NY, Chicago, LA and run the video. If it gets a big response, positive or negative, the networks will start covering the airing as news story in and of itself. That being the case one has to wonder why the pro-Palestinian folks haven't kicked in to get this video on the air. Any thoughts, BE?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 11:26:24 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà.
Just how free is that "free press" again?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 11:36:44 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? We were discussing free in the sense of government control, and laws against disparaging Islam in particular. So now a country doesn't have free press when private groups can bully the media into not covering a story. If that is the current method for deciding if a country has free speech, and press then of course the US isn't that free, but it is still better than the EU.
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Post by stevez51 on Jul 21, 2014 14:05:45 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? I always wonder why if the Repugs support Israel so much, why do so many Jewish voters vote Dem. For as much as Dem. supporters put down Israel, Jewish voters still pull that Dem. lever ....
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 21, 2014 14:13:37 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? Is it your position BE that the stations covered under this network are influenced by AIPAC as well? www.allied-media.com/ARABTV/ Some of these have been broadcasting to the US since 1991.
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Post by Moses on Jul 21, 2014 15:11:23 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? I always wonder why if the Repugs support Israel so much, why do so many Jewish voters vote Dem. For as much as Dem. supporters put down Israel, Jewish voters still pull that Dem. lever .... Cause they , like blacks Latinos and women are smart.
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Post by vosa on Jul 21, 2014 15:20:39 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? Well, when you're being out PRed you can do 1 of 2 things: 1. You can sit on your ass, do nothing and lose PR war OR 2. You can get off your ass, mount a PR campaign of your own and take your chances in the market place of public opinion. The Palestinians seem to have either chosen option # 1 or have convinced themselves the killing Israelis is an effective way to counter AIPAC's PR campaign. Either of those choices has "Losers" written all over it.
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Post by vosa on Jul 21, 2014 15:29:32 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? I always wonder why if the Repugs support Israel so much, why do so many Jewish voters vote Dem. For as much as Dem. supporters put down Israel, Jewish voters still pull that Dem. lever .... Jewish guilt. ”One woman says she forever diets because of her Jewish guilt, while another blames Jewish guilt for her constant overeating. Jewish guilt is the culprit for why you are so tidy, or so messy, date too much, or too little, indulge your children or discipline them. Jewish guilt explains why you worry about your parents, your children, your cleaning lady, the poor of Africa, or why you worry that you don’t worry enough.”Read all about it You should live and be well?
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 21, 2014 15:40:05 GMT -5
I always wonder why if the Repugs support Israel so much, why do so many Jewish voters vote Dem. For as much as Dem. supporters put down Israel, Jewish voters still pull that Dem. lever .... Cause they , like blacks Latinos and women are smart. Sure free free free life on the plantation is so great. Is one "smart" to live in the ghetto, strung out on drugs or killing his own? That's smart to you? Sounds STUPID to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 16:38:29 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? We were discussing free in the sense of government control, and laws against disparaging Islam in particular. So now a country doesn't have free press when private groups can bully the media into not covering a story. If that is the current method for deciding if a country has free speech, and press then of course the US isn't that free, but it is still better than the EU.That my friend is your opinion, it is not fact. The non showing of this documentary in the US media, for whatever reason, is testament to the fact that the US does not enjoy freedom of the press or free speech. Both are merely an illusion that we are told and some of us believe we have, other wiser people know that we only have the freedoms that we are allowed to have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 16:40:56 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? Well, when you're being out PRed you can do 1 of 2 things: 1. You can sit on your ass, do nothing and lose PR war OR 2. You can get off your ass, mount a PR campaign of your own and take your chances in the market place of public opinion. The Palestinians seem to have either chosen option # 1 or have convinced themselves the killing Israelis is an effective way to counter AIPAC's PR campaign. Either of those choices has "Losers" written all over it. Watch the video, It will answer most of your questions/charges.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 16:47:59 GMT -5
I can answer both above questions with just five letters: AIPAC. Of course there is a little more to it than that but if you want it in a nutshell, voilà. Just how free is that "free press" again? Is it your position BE that the stations covered under this network are influenced by AIPAC as well? www.allied-media.com/ARABTV/ Some of these have been broadcasting to the US since 1991. Please do not try to insult my intelligence by saying that any broadcasting company can broadcast anything that they want in the US without question or censorship. Quit with the soppy purile obfuscating questions and address the point of AIPAC's and other censorship directly please.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 21, 2014 17:01:05 GMT -5
Is it your position BE that the stations covered under this network are influenced by AIPAC as well? www.allied-media.com/ARABTV/ Some of these have been broadcasting to the US since 1991. Please do not try to insult my intelligence by saying that any broadcasting company can broadcast anything that they want in the US without question or censorship. Quit with the soppy purile obfuscating questions and address the point of AIPAC's and other censorship directly please. Why don't you prove that AIPAC is censoring these stations then and quit avoiding questions that challenge your position.
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Post by stevez51 on Jul 21, 2014 17:25:43 GMT -5
Is it your position BE that the stations covered under this network are influenced by AIPAC as well? www.allied-media.com/ARABTV/ Some of these have been broadcasting to the US since 1991. Please do not try to insult my intelligence by saying that any broadcasting company can broadcast anything that they want in the US without question or censorship. Quit with the soppy purile obfuscating questions and address the point of AIPAC's and other censorship directly please. Maybe the FCC has something to do with it. If they could sell commercial time it would air or if someone put up a private donation. Contact Bill Maher, he loves that slant ....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 17:35:38 GMT -5
Please do not try to insult my intelligence by saying that any broadcasting company can broadcast anything that they want in the US without question or censorship. Quit with the soppy purile obfuscating questions and address the point of AIPAC's and other censorship directly please. Why don't you prove that AIPAC is censoring these stations then and quit avoiding questions that challenge your position. Why don't you grab a slice of reality, instead of just asking questions and not providing answers? You don't set the agenda here as much as you would like to and try to. Now, how about you addressing the uncomfortable truth about the lack of freedom of the press and free speech in the US, perhaps you can give us your opinion on just who does the censoring if you want to get AIPAC's influences off of the hook.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 21, 2014 18:09:53 GMT -5
Why don't you prove that AIPAC is censoring these stations then and quit avoiding questions that challenge your position. Why don't you grab a slice of reality, instead of just asking questions and not providing answers? You don't set the agenda here as much as you would like to and try to. Now, how about you addressing the uncomfortable truth about the lack of freedom of the press and free speech in the US, perhaps you can give us your opinion on just who does the censoring if you want to get AIPAC's influences off of the hook. You have absolutely no proof of any kind of censorship. None. You surmise that because no one wants to air Pilger's "documentaries" that the AIPAC bogeyman is stopping it from being published. "Well" you argue, "the rest of the world has seen it". So what? Most of his work is available on his web page for $5. That so few have seen it tells you its worth. Do you honestly think that the networks, given the opportunity to make the kind of money that would rise from such a documentary were it accurate, are going to pass up such a chance; that the Arab networks wouldn't publish it? Do you really think AIPAC can censor the internet? Why don't you put down your "I hate all things Jewish" meme for a minute and grab a piece of the world outside of BE land?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 18:21:00 GMT -5
Why don't you grab a slice of reality, instead of just asking questions and not providing answers? You don't set the agenda here as much as you would like to and try to. Now, how about you addressing the uncomfortable truth about the lack of freedom of the press and free speech in the US, perhaps you can give us your opinion on just who does the censoring if you want to get AIPAC's influences off of the hook. You have absolutely no proof of any kind of censorship. None. You surmise that because no one wants to air Pilger's "documentaries" that the AIPAC bogeyman is stopping it from being published. "Well" you argue, "the rest of the world has seen it". So what? Most of his work is available on his web page for $5. That so few have seen it tells you its worth. Do you honestly think that the networks, given the opportunity to make the kind of money that would rise from such a documentary were it accurate, are going to pass up such a chance; that the Arab networks wouldn't publish it? Do you really think AIPAC can censor the internet? Why don't you put down your "I hate all things Jewish" meme for a minute and grab a piece of the world outside of BE land? I kind of wonder how big that "rest of world" is. Did all of china see it? Or did just a small group of haters in the EU watch it to confirm their own biases? Since it is available in the US on the internet then it isn't being banned by any government group, I wonder if anyone is suing them to get it banned from the internet? Probably not. We know all about made up documentaries, we have Michael Moore after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 18:58:21 GMT -5
Why don't you grab a slice of reality, instead of just asking questions and not providing answers? You don't set the agenda here as much as you would like to and try to. Now, how about you addressing the uncomfortable truth about the lack of freedom of the press and free speech in the US, perhaps you can give us your opinion on just who does the censoring if you want to get AIPAC's influences off of the hook. You have absolutely no proof of any kind of censorship. None. You surmise that because no one wants to air Pilger's "documentaries" that the AIPAC bogeyman is stopping it from being published. "Well" you argue, "the rest of the world has seen it". So what? Most of his work is available on his web page for $5. That so few have seen it tells you its worth. Do you honestly think that the networks, given the opportunity to make the kind of money that would rise from such a documentary were it accurate, are going to pass up such a chance; that the Arab networks wouldn't publish it? Do you really think AIPAC can censor the internet? Why don't you put down your "I hate all things Jewish" meme for a minute and grab a piece of the world outside of BE land? And you have no proof that there isn't any censorship, see how that goes? Your quote marks around the word documentaries clearly demonstrates your bias. You know as well as I do that AIPAC exists to promote Israel and to control government and the media as much as it can. You question the accuracy of the documentary when in 52 minutes you could give an actual first hand opinion, what are you scared of? You along with others on here are poo-pooing the video but like them you haven't got the gonads to view it, frankly dude you are a fake, I'll take you seriously if and when you actually discuss the video on its content, not on your uninformed perceptions. Do you honestly believe that Wikipedia isn't tampered with or edited by Israel as well as other countries to reflect their country in a good light? You had to stop yourself using the 'anti-Semite' word there, didn't you? You don't like it when people ask uncomfortable questions of you, do you?!
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