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Post by middleoftheroad on Aug 17, 2014 17:28:25 GMT -5
Let's see...he can't run for Governor again, only has a few months left in office anyway and had little chance of being nominated for the Presidency, never mind winning the general. This doesn't ever go to trial. Perry is not term limited... he's served for 14 years... Texas is one of 14 states which does not limit the term of their governor... I said it poorly; he made a very public pledge that he will not seek another term and I was referencing that issue. My apologies for the confusion.
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Post by kashmir on Aug 17, 2014 18:59:42 GMT -5
A self-inflicted disease, a failure of will. Nope don't find those terms in the DSM V…….. We both know the DSM is a very fluid document. It once called homosexuality a mental illness. Politics enters into deciding what's a mental disorder and what isn't. So do corporate interests. Or did you think the makers of psychoactive drugs didn't market the idea that certain disorders are diagnosable to the various professional agencies, the better to sell those drugs? But let's put aside whether a drunk is ill or merely lacks will for the moment. Should a drunk be a district attorney? Would we send a soldier with no legs into combat? Put a Down Syndrome patient in charge of designing NASA's next space vehicle? However she got to be a drunk, that's what she is. She had to go. Whats it like in your perfect little world? Obviously you never make mistakes, make a poor choice.......ll.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 17, 2014 19:04:59 GMT -5
We both know the DSM is a very fluid document. It once called homosexuality a mental illness. Politics enters into deciding what's a mental disorder and what isn't. So do corporate interests. Or did you think the makers of psychoactive drugs didn't market the idea that certain disorders are diagnosable to the various professional agencies, the better to sell those drugs? But let's put aside whether a drunk is ill or merely lacks will for the moment. Should a drunk be a district attorney? Would we send a soldier with no legs into combat? Put a Down Syndrome patient in charge of designing NASA's next space vehicle? However she got to be a drunk, that's what she is. She had to go. Whats it like in your perfect little world? Obviously you never make mistakes, make a poor choice.......ll. Well from this we can assume that you make mistakes, and poor choices. Do you take responsibility for your mistakes, and poor choices? Or do you want others to pay for your mistakes?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 17, 2014 19:09:20 GMT -5
Whats it like in your perfect little world? Obviously you never make mistakes, make a poor choice.......ll. Oh, I've made mistakes. I've made some beauts. I'm not a drunk or a drug addict, though, I have that much going for me: I never saw the appeal in chemical happiness. I've seen a few drunks, though. And I wouldn't want any of them as district attorney. Maybe an ADA, you put him on the shelf for a few months while he dries out. Not the DA. By the time you reach that position you're either responsible, or you're fired. It's gotta be that way. It reads like your dislike of Perry is so profound that you'd rather have a drunk serving in an important public office than allow for the possibility that Perry acting in the best interests of Texans here. That's an odd perspective.
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Post by redleg on Aug 17, 2014 20:19:50 GMT -5
I don't know. The Republicans are capable of shockingly bad judgement, so maybe. And before you say they're alone... the Dems might stand Hillary, which would be a mistake of Brobdingnagian proportion. For the country, not their party - she can probably win. But they ought to do better. Party, however, is all they care about. Just like the Republicans you score for that. I hear complaints of candidates not having enough experience from the right, have been posted many times about Obama, here comes someone that has decades of experience and they complain about her also. I believe that the Repubs know that Hillary is going to win, and are doing their damnedest to discredit her, starting with Benghazi. The Repubs need to fix their party, not just run on tearing down of another party. We've already seen what having experience at failure gets us. Hillary can't even point to a success in her own term as Sec State. She's done nothing but marry a charismatic charlatan, and ride his coattails to where she is.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 17, 2014 23:42:32 GMT -5
I hear complaints of candidates not having enough experience from the right, have been posted many times about Obama, here comes someone that has decades of experience and they complain about her also. I believe that the Repubs know that Hillary is going to win, and are doing their damnedest to discredit her, starting with Benghazi. The Repubs need to fix their party, not just run on tearing down of another party. We've already seen what having experience at failure gets us. Hillary can't even point to a success in her own term as Sec State. She's done nothing but marry a charismatic charlatan, and ride his coattails to where she is. And it's been a good ride for the both of them... I particularly loved it when in a news conference many years ago a reporter asked Clinton if he ever thought about resigning... Bill lowered his head and leaned toward the camera and said with a very firm voice... "NEVER"... and went on to leave office with the highest job approval rating of any President in history... you just gotta love that... And Hillary?... she's been having successes since Park Ridge...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 8:01:37 GMT -5
She has the "experience," but does she learn from her mistakes? If she runs, she'll likely win if she promises more freebies... [Bread and spectacle only go so far; ask the Romans...]Freebies? Like those 'Free Obama cell phones' that the Righties got completely wrong? It was actually Reagan that started that program……now lets watch the Righties heads implode………. Reagan started a program to give away $1000 brick-sized phones?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 8:03:40 GMT -5
John Kerry wil never get the military vote. And Kerry will never get my vote.
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Post by redleg on Aug 18, 2014 8:04:31 GMT -5
Is he? He forced a drunk to step down. I'd hardly call that irresponsible governing. He isn't even convicted yet. We're also still waiting for your camp to produce evidence of actual wrongdoing by Chris Christie; we hear a lot of rhetoric, but no proof from places like Daily Kos and CommonDreams. I bet we would be calling out half the Congress and House if we looked at all the drunks and forced them to step down….. Psst, alcoholism is a disease, and you get treatment for diseases. So is Liberalism, but there is no known cure. And it's Dems that ignore, or even promote, their members that get convicted of things like DUI. Even killing someone with their vehicle while drunk. Ref Chappaquidick Teddy.
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Post by kashmir on Aug 18, 2014 8:05:40 GMT -5
John Kerry wil never get the military vote. And Kerry will never get my vote. He got his position without your vote.
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Post by redleg on Aug 18, 2014 8:07:48 GMT -5
We both know the DSM is a very fluid document. It once called homosexuality a mental illness. Politics enters into deciding what's a mental disorder and what isn't. So do corporate interests. Or did you think the makers of psychoactive drugs didn't market the idea that certain disorders are diagnosable to the various professional agencies, the better to sell those drugs? But let's put aside whether a drunk is ill or merely lacks will for the moment. Should a drunk be a district attorney? Would we send a soldier with no legs into combat? Put a Down Syndrome patient in charge of designing NASA's next space vehicle? However she got to be a drunk, that's what she is. She had to go. Whats it like in your perfect little world? Obviously you never make mistakes, make a poor choice.......ll. And had she killed someone while driving drunk? How can she be in control of charging someone with a crime if she is committing crimes herself?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 8:08:29 GMT -5
And Kerry will never get my vote. He got his position without your vote. Not for president he didn't. He comes across as an annoying talk show host that I would be forced to watch only because I'm stuck in a waiting room with a tv.
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Post by redleg on Aug 18, 2014 8:09:50 GMT -5
We've already seen what having experience at failure gets us. Hillary can't even point to a success in her own term as Sec State. She's done nothing but marry a charismatic charlatan, and ride his coattails to where she is. And it's been a good ride for the both of them... I particularly loved it when in a news conference many years ago a reporter asked Clinton if he ever thought about resigning... Bill lowered his head and leaned toward the camera and said with a very firm voice... "NEVER"... and went on to leave office with the highest job approval rating of any President in history... you just gotta love that... And Hillary?... she's been having successes since Park Ridge... That depends on how you define success. Getting installed as Sec State, then failing at every metric used to describe competency in that position is not what I would consider 'success'.
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Post by redleg on Aug 18, 2014 8:11:00 GMT -5
And Kerry will never get my vote. He got his position without your vote. Yup, he got his position through cronyism. Why not put a traitor in as Sec State? They already had one failure there.
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Post by kashmir on Aug 18, 2014 8:16:27 GMT -5
He got his position without your vote. Yup, he got his position through cronyism. Why not put a traitor in as Sec State? They already had one failure there. And Obama is President and Kerry is Secretary of State……..you can call them anything you want to, still doesn't change the fact that they are where they are and you are where you are hurling inconsequential little pebbles at them which they never see and that some of us just laugh at. Pretty lame huh?
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 18, 2014 8:28:56 GMT -5
And it's been a good ride for the both of them... I particularly loved it when in a news conference many years ago a reporter asked Clinton if he ever thought about resigning... Bill lowered his head and leaned toward the camera and said with a very firm voice... "NEVER"... and went on to leave office with the highest job approval rating of any President in history... you just gotta love that... And Hillary?... she's been having successes since Park Ridge... That depends on how you define success. Getting installed as Sec State, then failing at every metric used to describe competency in that position is not what I would consider 'success'. I didn't define any of her success stories since Park Ridge... but there have been many... and she certainly DIDN'T fail on "every metric" during her term as SoS... get real, Redleg... Several boobs have been written detailing Hillary's successes since Park Ridge... pick you up one of them and read a bit... the tell us they're all made up...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 18, 2014 8:37:33 GMT -5
John Kerry wil never get the military vote. And the military vote is not going to select the nominee or elect the President either... Kerry won't be a candidate anyway...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 18, 2014 8:40:42 GMT -5
John Kerry wil never get the military vote. It's difficult to imagine that any Democrat would. It's just hard for to to "imagine"... you may be surprised if you really "knew"...
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Post by kashmir on Aug 18, 2014 8:42:31 GMT -5
And it's been a good ride for the both of them... I particularly loved it when in a news conference many years ago a reporter asked Clinton if he ever thought about resigning... Bill lowered his head and leaned toward the camera and said with a very firm voice... "NEVER"... and went on to leave office with the highest job approval rating of any President in history... you just gotta love that... And Hillary?... she's been having successes since Park Ridge... That depends on how you define success. Getting installed as Sec State, then failing at every metric used to describe competency in that position is not what I would consider 'success'. I consider posts with truth to be a success so your post is not succesful………...
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Post by kashmir on Aug 18, 2014 8:44:32 GMT -5
Whats it like in your perfect little world? Obviously you never make mistakes, make a poor choice.......ll. Oh, I've made mistakes. I've made some beauts. I'm not a drunk or a drug addict, though, I have that much going for me: I never saw the appeal in chemical happiness. I've seen a few drunks, though. And I wouldn't want any of them as district attorney. Maybe an ADA, you put him on the shelf for a few months while he dries out. Not the DA. By the time you reach that position you're either responsible, or you're fired. It's gotta be that way. It reads like your dislike of Perry is so profound that you'd rather have a drunk serving in an important public office than allow for the possibility that Perry acting in the best interests of Texans here. That's an odd perspective. The drunk can dry out, stupid lasts a lifetime………….
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 18, 2014 8:47:29 GMT -5
Rick Perry is toast.......... Is he? He forced a drunk to step down. I'd hardly call that irresponsible governing. He isn't even convicted yet. He withheld millions of dollars which hurt other individuals in the state of Texas to impose his own diagnosis of the woman... he is not a doctor or a professional counselor... he's a politician... let the courts sort it out... maybe he can give his friend, Tom. some friendly company...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 18, 2014 8:53:47 GMT -5
I bet we would be calling out half the Congress and House if we looked at all the drunks and forced them to step down….. Psst, alcoholism is a disease, and you get treatment for diseases. Sure. A self-inflicted disease. A failure of will. Nothing prevents her from getting all the treatment she likes. Out of office. A drunk can't do that job. Actually, they can't do most jobs. Let her dry out, and if she can stay sober for awhile let her run again. There's no reason to keep her in office while we "hope" she can sober up. A "drunk" can do many jobs... as long as they can control and confine their drinking to "off duty" periods... "alcoholism" is a disease, but getting drunk isn't... I have dealt with a number of individuals who have had drinking problems and performed their work as well as anyone else... over a 40 year period, I saw only ONE lose his job as a result of his drinking problem...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 18, 2014 8:54:59 GMT -5
I wonder if this Rush Limbaugh stuff is starting to psychologically damage right-wingers thinking. They seem incapable of doing anything without worrying about liberals. Maybe deep down inside, they know the Liberals are superior that's why they can't help but talk about them. I find myself bemused by some of the things liberals think are good ideas. Like nationalized healthcare. One looks at them and tries, failing, to understand what kind of detachment from how economies actually work would lead to this kind of thinking. I find myself wondering the same things about Republicans...
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Post by kashmir on Aug 18, 2014 8:57:07 GMT -5
Freebies? Like those 'Free Obama cell phones' that the Righties got completely wrong? It was actually Reagan that started that program……now lets watch the Righties heads implode………. Reagan started a program to give away $1000 brick-sized phones? There ya have it………….. Thanks for playing along micro……..
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 18, 2014 8:58:38 GMT -5
I bet we would be calling out half the Congress and House if we looked at all the drunks and forced them to step down….. Psst, alcoholism is a disease, and you get treatment for diseases. Alcoholism is a disease. For that you get treatment. Driving drunk is not. For that you get arrested. Agreed...
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