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Post by redleg on Oct 28, 2014 9:06:38 GMT -5
So, hatred doesn't lead to opposition? Or are you simply using "racism" as the only excuse left for The Puppet's criminal incompetence? Well... opposition could lead to hatred... and hatred could lead to opposition... but neither has necessarily has anything to do with racism... Ah, so you are walking back your assertion that he's "hated in Washington" because he's black?
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Post by redleg on Oct 28, 2014 9:07:24 GMT -5
Smart? Adolph Hitler was smart. Lenin was smart. Castro was smart. Wilson was smart. We don't need any more of that kind of "smart" people in Washington. We've had quite enough of them as it is. Oh, now it's what "kind" of smart someone is... hell, no doubt Coulter is smart in some area... so is Beck... but I can sure agree with you there... we don't need "that" kind of smart in Washington... What position in government do either Coulter or Beck hold?
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 28, 2014 10:58:43 GMT -5
Well... opposition could lead to hatred... and hatred could lead to opposition... but neither has necessarily has anything to do with racism... Ah, so you are walking back your assertion that he's "hated in Washington" because he's black? Absolutely not... that's only one reason I pointed out...
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 28, 2014 11:01:37 GMT -5
Oh, now it's what "kind" of smart someone is... hell, no doubt Coulter is smart in some area... so is Beck... but I can sure agree with you there... we don't need "that" kind of smart in Washington... What position in government do either Coulter or Beck hold? None... nor did I say or imply that they did... just that they no doubt had some smarts in some (unknown) area...
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Post by redleg on Oct 31, 2014 0:02:05 GMT -5
What position in government do either Coulter or Beck hold? None... nor did I say or imply that they did... just that they no doubt had some smarts in some (unknown) area... They probably do. However, since they are not office holders, they are irrelevant. What is relevant is that The Puppet has appointed, elevated, and ensconced people that are not smart, but may be clever at avoiding the law, purloining money, and usurping individual liberty. Which is why we are headed down at such a rapid pace. There is no one in this regime that cares a whit about the country, or anyone in it, except their own little circle.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 4:27:18 GMT -5
What position in government do either Coulter or Beck hold? None... nor did I say or imply that they did... just that they no doubt had some smarts in some (unknown) area... For example, both Beck and Coulter both know how to step into the spotlight and mold public opinion MUCH better than Ron Klain. Of course Beck and Coulter are also both principled enough, to know that the Ebola Czar really ought to know something about Ebola. Which makes them both better at what Klain ought to be doing, and more honest as well.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 6:13:06 GMT -5
None... nor did I say or imply that they did... just that they no doubt had some smarts in some (unknown) area... For example, both Beck and Coulter both know how to step into the spotlight and mold public opinion MUCH better than Ron Klain. Of course Beck and Coulter are also both principled enough, to know that the Ebola Czar really ought to know something about Ebola. Which makes them both better at what Klain ought to be doing, and more honest as well. It's not Klain's job to "mold public opinion"... and while not being a doctor or expert on the Ebola virus, he likely can perform his job duties very well... which is "coordination"... not "entertainment" or "BS"...
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 6:21:45 GMT -5
None... nor did I say or imply that they did... just that they no doubt had some smarts in some (unknown) area... They probably do. However, since they are not office holders, they are irrelevant. What is relevant is that The Puppet has appointed, elevated, and ensconced people that are not smart, but may be clever at avoiding the law, purloining money, and usurping individual liberty. Which is why we are headed down at such a rapid pace. There is no one in this regime that cares a whit about the country, or anyone in it, except their own little circle. Neither did Klain or Perez prior to their appointment are potential appointment...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 8:23:48 GMT -5
For example, both Beck and Coulter both know how to step into the spotlight and mold public opinion MUCH better than Ron Klain. Of course Beck and Coulter are also both principled enough, to know that the Ebola Czar really ought to know something about Ebola. Which makes them both better at what Klain ought to be doing, and more honest as well. It's not Klain's job to "mold public opinion"... and while not being a doctor or expert on the Ebola virus, he likely can perform his job duties very well... which is "coordination"... not "entertainment" or "BS"... If his job is coordination why are state governments all doing different things? Or is Klian just bad at that as well?
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 8:53:27 GMT -5
It's not Klain's job to "mold public opinion"... and while not being a doctor or expert on the Ebola virus, he likely can perform his job duties very well... which is "coordination"... not "entertainment" or "BS"... If his job is coordination why are state governments all doing different things? Or is Klian just bad at that as well? States are allowed to make their own rules... Klain's job is to assist them in their right and need to make those rules... tailored to each individual state's needs... without going into things like population density and international travel destinations... let me just say that all of those state needs are not necessarily the same...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 10:00:54 GMT -5
If his job is coordination why are state governments all doing different things? Or is Klian just bad at that as well? States are allowed to make their own rules... Kain's job is to assist them in their right and need to make those rules... tailored to each individual state's needs... without going into things like population density and international travel destinations... let me just say that all of those state needs are not necessarily the same... Ok fine, but that's not 'coordination.' Coordination would be getting all those state level health officials to agree on a single, or at least similar and consistent policies. The states already have their own public health people doing the job you describe above.
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Post by darave on Oct 31, 2014 11:29:13 GMT -5
our local hospital just built rooms for ebola victims. everything is done by robotics and remote access. No need for the governments help.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 13:25:24 GMT -5
States are allowed to make their own rules... Kain's job is to assist them in their right and need to make those rules... tailored to each individual state's needs... without going into things like population density and international travel destinations... let me just say that all of those state needs are not necessarily the same... Ok fine, but that's not 'coordination.' Coordination would be getting all those state level health officials to agree on a single, or at least similar and consistent policies. The states already have their own public health people doing the job you describe above. According to you... but that's not the plan... as I said earlier, states have different needs with regard to a plan to deal with the Ebola fiasco... likely not many of them will have the same plan... getting them all to have a plan, if they need it, is coordination... not that many states were prepared to accommodate such a potential problem until after it arrived... which is why patients were transferred to a different facility other than the one where they were first confined...
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 13:27:56 GMT -5
Our local hospital just built rooms for ebola victims. everything is done by robotics and remote access. No need for the governments help. Bet you didn't have those rooms before this Ebola outbreak in West Africa and the potential that it would be coming here... Government is not necessarily helping with the treatment... just the spreading of the virus to the general population...
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 13:29:30 GMT -5
How did we get way out here from the topic of this thread?...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 13:56:28 GMT -5
Ok fine, but that's not 'coordination.' Coordination would be getting all those state level health officials to agree on a single, or at least similar and consistent policies. The states already have their own public health people doing the job you describe above. According to you... but that's not the plan... as I said earlier, states have different needs with regard to a plan to deal with the Ebola fiasco... likely not many of them will have the same plan... getting them all to have a plan, if they need it, is coordination... not that many states were prepared to accommodate such a potential problem until after it arrived... which is why patients were transferred to a different facility other than the one where they were first confined... So if the states are going to take the lead, what is Klain's job?
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 14:03:57 GMT -5
According to you... but that's not the plan... as I said earlier, states have different needs with regard to a plan to deal with the Ebola fiasco... likely not many of them will have the same plan... getting them all to have a plan, if they need it, is coordination... not that many states were prepared to accommodate such a potential problem until after it arrived... which is why patients were transferred to a different facility other than the one where they were first confined... So if the states are going to take the lead, what is Klain's job? Didn't say they were going to take the lead... said they were going to come up with their own individual state plans with information shared by other states, organizations, and facilities, etc... that have information that may be helpful to all...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 14:06:25 GMT -5
So if the states are going to take the lead, what is Klain's job? Didn't say they were going to take the lead... said they were going to come up with their own individual state plans with information shared by other states, organizations, and facilities, etc... that have information that may be helpful to all... Coming up with their own plans IS thanking the lead. Klain doesn't know anything about Ebola, so what information does he have that would be helpful?
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 14:16:50 GMT -5
Didn't say they were going to take the lead... said they were going to come up with their own individual state plans with information shared by other states, organizations, and facilities, etc... that have information that may be helpful to all... Coming up with their own plans IS thanking the lead. Klain doesn't know anything about Ebola, so what information does he have that would be helpful? Yeah... like 50+ horses all running in their own specific direction... Klain's job it to help steer them in the best direction so they will all get their own individual needs met... and he doesn't necessarily need a "Degree in Ebola" to do that...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 14:31:45 GMT -5
Coming up with their own plans IS thanking the lead. Klain doesn't know anything about Ebola, so what information does he have that would be helpful? Yeah... like 50+ horses all running in their own specific direction... Klain's job it to help steer them in the best direction so they will all get their own individual needs met... and he doesn't necessarily need a "Degree in Ebola" to do that... So then we're agreed. Klain has failed. He sure as hell not steering anything.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 15:35:46 GMT -5
Yeah... like 50+ horses all running in their own specific direction... Klain's job it to help steer them in the best direction so they will all get their own individual needs met... and he doesn't necessarily need a "Degree in Ebola" to do that... So then we're agreed. Klain has failed. He's sure as hell not steering anything. And you know what you're full of, don't you?...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 16:43:23 GMT -5
So then we're agreed. Klain has failed. He's sure as hell not steering anything. And you know what you're full of, don't you?... And you know that's all you got. Well done proving my point.
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Post by rentedmule on Oct 31, 2014 16:44:17 GMT -5
Coming up with their own plans IS thanking the lead. Klain doesn't know anything about Ebola, so what information does he have that would be helpful? Yeah... like 50+ horses all running in their own specific direction... Klain's job it to help steer them in the best direction so they will all get their own individual needs met... and he doesn't necessarily need a "Degree in Ebola" to do that... So you see 50+ horses running around and a political operative is your best choice to decide which direction all 50+ horses should pull? This appears to be the classical dilemma of the typical centrist. One choice is always superior than 50+ choices..... Maybe we need a tax czar. Floridians could pay income tax at 13.1% just like Ca. and Mississippians could pay the same real estate rate as Mass. and NJ.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 31, 2014 17:07:17 GMT -5
Yeah... like 50+ horses all running in their own specific direction... Klain's job it to help steer them in the best direction so they will all get their own individual needs met... and he doesn't necessarily need a "Degree in Ebola" to do that... So you see 50+ horses running around and a political operative is your best choice to decide which direction all 50+ horses should pull? This appears to be the classical dilemma of the typical centrist. One choice is always superior than 50+ choices..... Maybe we need a tax czar. Floridians could pay income tax at 13.1% just like Ca. and Mississippians could pay the same real estate rate as Mass. and NJ. You're getting good at missing the point... I'm disappointed...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 31, 2014 18:16:53 GMT -5
So you see 50+ horses running around and a political operative is your best choice to decide which direction all 50+ horses should pull? This appears to be the classical dilemma of the typical centrist. One choice is always superior than 50+ choices..... Maybe we need a tax czar. Floridians could pay income tax at 13.1% just like Ca. and Mississippians could pay the same real estate rate as Mass. and NJ. You're getting good at missing the point... I'm disappointed... You really have no need to worry, aboutwell. No one will ever be as good at that as you are.
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