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Post by aboutwell on Dec 23, 2014 22:06:00 GMT -5
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Post by aponderer on Dec 24, 2014 10:03:16 GMT -5
Your posting history is a good indication of what you would like.
Unless of course you have been lying, taking the opposite side just to stir the pot.
Which would also be an indicator.
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other. My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp.IMHO on many issues there are more choices than the limited one of attempting to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 10:42:42 GMT -5
My son had a good friend who died in the tornadoes here yesterday...
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Post by rocketwolf on Dec 24, 2014 11:12:35 GMT -5
He still sucks for 52 % of the people, that is good if you are desperate to defend him. Actually, the disapproval rating is 49%... (a few undecideds)... but hey, "W'" approval ratings dropped as low as 25%... Clinton as low as 36%... H W Bush as low as 29%... and even Reagan as low as 35%... ALL lower than Obama has been at any time during his presidency... As for Obamacare... Not only is the economy booming after Obamacare has taken effect, but healthcare inflation is at its lowest rate in 50 years and the uninsured rate has never been this low.You know what you can defend Obama until you are blue in the face. I don't like him, he is a very poor President, having done little or nothing for the economy. He lies and I don't like liars. The only disapproval rating I believe in is mine, and my rating of Obama is a 90% negative.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 11:16:13 GMT -5
Actually, the disapproval rating is 49%... (a few undecideds)... but hey, "W'" approval ratings dropped as low as 25%... Clinton as low as 36%... H W Bush as low as 29%... and even Reagan as low as 35%... ALL lower than Obama has been at any time during his presidency... As for Obamacare... Not only is the economy booming after Obamacare has taken effect, but healthcare inflation is at its lowest rate in 50 years and the uninsured rate has never been this low.You know what you can defend Obama until you are blue in the face. I don't like him, he is a very poor President, having done little or nothing for the economy. He lies and I don't like liars. The only disapproval rating I believe in is mine, and my rating of Obama is a 90% negative. I can absolutely respect that... I reserve the right to do that myself... and have with regard to a number of previous presidents... I don't hold that against you... I applaud you for having at least a semi-educated opinion on the man...
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Post by rocketwolf on Dec 24, 2014 11:23:07 GMT -5
Your posting history is a good indication of what you would like.
Unless of course you have been lying, taking the opposite side just to stir the pot.
Which would also be an indicator.
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other. My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp. Well then I do wish I had seen more of your "finer politics" I also believe this, so we may be more alike than we both think. Compromising fiscal conservatism and social needs is what we should all be for. I will never compromise on Liberty, money wasted is a shame and can be replaced at a cost of course. Liberty lost can never be fixed or regained (dare I say this in todays fearful PC world) without bloodshed.
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Post by rocketwolf on Dec 24, 2014 11:25:48 GMT -5
You know what you can defend Obama until you are blue in the face. I don't like him, he is a very poor President, having done little or nothing for the economy. He lies and I don't like liars. The only disapproval rating I believe in is mine, and my rating of Obama is a 90% negative. I can absolutely respect that... I reserve the right to do that myself... and have with regard to a number of previous presidents... I don't hold that against you... I applaud you for having at least a semi-educated opinion on the man... Your post could do without the "semi-educated" insult reminder of how wonderful you think you are.
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Post by vosa on Dec 24, 2014 16:27:19 GMT -5
Actually, the disapproval rating is 49%... (a few undecideds)... but hey, "W'" approval ratings dropped as low as 25%... Clinton as low as 36%... H W Bush as low as 29%... and even Reagan as low as 35%... ALL lower than Obama has been at any time during his presidency... As for Obamacare... Not only is the economy booming after Obamacare has taken effect, but healthcare inflation is at its lowest rate in 50 years and the uninsured rate has never been this low.You know what you can defend Obama until you are blue in the face. I don't like him, he is a very poor President, having done little or nothing for the economy.He lies and I don't like liars. The only disapproval rating I believe in is mine, and my rating of Obama is a 90% negative. Now to be fair you have to admit the economy is getting better. In fact the improvement in the economy is inversely proportional to the number of days Obama has left in office.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 24, 2014 16:58:37 GMT -5
Not only is the economy booming after Obamacare has taken effect, but healthcare inflation is at its lowest rate in 50 years and the uninsured rate has never been this low. Tell my insurer. My rates are increasing by 18% with the advent of the new year. They claim this is because new requirements from Obamacare mean they have to offer more services. If the government were to tell insurers (or, really, any company) that they must represent their product in clear language a sixth grader could understand, I'd be perfectly happy with that. But the government really has no business at all telling any company what its service must look like. If I don't want mental health services, or addiction recovery services, or pregnancy services, I (or anyone) should be able to purchase insurance that lacks them - and I should expect to pay cash for them if I need them. That's called "making a decision about what risks I choose to share with an insurer". The government represented this as putting an end to "bad" insurance policies only because that's how they could sell it. What they really did was put an end to insurance policies that did not cover the products represented by the successful lobbyists during the crafting of this bad law, and we're all suffering for it fiscally.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 17:00:23 GMT -5
I can absolutely respect that... I reserve the right to do that myself... and have with regard to a number of previous presidents... I don't hold that against you... I applaud you for having at least a semi-educated opinion on the man... Your post could do without the "semi-educated" insult reminder of how wonderful you think you are. We are all "semi-educated" when it comes to politics... (even me)... some of us more so than others...
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 17:03:37 GMT -5
You know what you can defend Obama until you are blue in the face. I don't like him, he is a very poor President, having done little or nothing for the economy.He lies and I don't like liars. The only disapproval rating I believe in is mine, and my rating of Obama is a 90% negative. Now to be fair you have to admit the economy is getting better. In fact the improvement in the economy is inversely proportional to the number of days Obama has left in office. I can't wait for the current crop of new Republicans to start trying to take credit for the improving economy... and you can bet your ass they will... I just haven't heard it yet... Two more years... but Obama still has to sign any bill passed... I haven't seen this many people Christmas shopping and spending that $$$ in a long time... looks good... looks real good...
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 17:08:02 GMT -5
Not only is the economy booming after Obamacare has taken effect, but healthcare inflation is at its lowest rate in 50 years and the uninsured rate has never been this low. Tell my insurer. My rates are increasing by 18% with the advent of the new year. They claim this is because new requirements from Obamacare mean they have to offer more services. If the government were to tell insurers (or, really, any company) that they must represent their product in clear language a sixth grader could understand, I'd be perfectly happy with that. But the government really has no business at all telling any company what its service must look like. If I don't want mental health services, or addiction recovery services, or pregnancy services, I (or anyone) should be able to purchase insurance that lacks them - and I should expect to pay cash for them if I need them. That's called "making a decision about what risks I choose to share with an insurer". The government represented this as putting an end to "bad" insurance policies only because that's how they could sell it. What they really did was put an end to insurance policies that did not cover the products represented by the successful lobbyists during the crafting of this bad law, and we're all suffering for it fiscally. Personally, I would not prefer a cafeteria style selection when it comes to insurance... one never knows what they're gonna need... until they need it...
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 24, 2014 17:12:41 GMT -5
Tell my insurer. My rates are increasing by 18% with the advent of the new year. They claim this is because new requirements from Obamacare mean they have to offer more services. If the government were to tell insurers (or, really, any company) that they must represent their product in clear language a sixth grader could understand, I'd be perfectly happy with that. But the government really has no business at all telling any company what its service must look like. If I don't want mental health services, or addiction recovery services, or pregnancy services, I (or anyone) should be able to purchase insurance that lacks them - and I should expect to pay cash for them if I need them. That's called "making a decision about what risks I choose to share with an insurer". The government represented this as putting an end to "bad" insurance policies only because that's how they could sell it. What they really did was put an end to insurance policies that did not cover the products represented by the successful lobbyists during the crafting of this bad law, and we're all suffering for it fiscally. Personally, I would not prefer a cafeteria style selection when it comes to insurance... one never knows what they're gonna need... until they need it... Right, aboutwell. I'm sure you're gonna need pregnancy coverage at some point. And we all know how vital it is that Sandra Fluke have access to contraception. I'd hate to find out she was having children.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Dec 24, 2014 17:14:41 GMT -5
Personally, I would not prefer a cafeteria style selection when it comes to insurance... one never knows what they're gonna need... until they need it... That's why it's called "shared risk" and not "moving the risk elsewhere". Large deductables, about which people are whining (many evidently believe someone should buy healthcare for them completely if they can't or won't do so) are the law's best feature to the extent they encourage smart use of services. OTOH, a study conducted of Medicaid patients concluding that making the service more widely available cost more without decreasing the number of patients who waited until their problem was emergent. This suggests that perhaps cost isn't the only driver of when people seek medical care. Fixing that - teaching people which problems require professional intervention and which do not - probably needs to begin in a "Life Lessons" class in high school, and let's not assume the smart students can opt out of it. I know a number of very smart colleagues whose common sense wouldn't fill a thimble.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 17:26:33 GMT -5
Personally, I would not prefer a cafeteria style selection when it comes to insurance... one never knows what they're gonna need... until they need it... Right, aboutwell. I'm sure you're gonna need pregnancy coverage at some point. And we all know how vital it is that Sandra Fluke have access to contraception. I'd hate to find out she was having children. My policy has many things in it now that I don't plan on needing... but I'm satisfied with it... and my wife won't be needing those "pregnancy services" either... my car has many features on it that I've never used and won't ever use... but I like it... my cell phone has many features on it I don't use... my computer has many features on it I don't use... my satellite remote has many features on it that I don't use... etc... hell, my wife has many features on her that I don't use much any more... get my drift?...
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 24, 2014 17:31:30 GMT -5
Right, aboutwell. I'm sure you're gonna need pregnancy coverage at some point. And we all know how vital it is that Sandra Fluke have access to contraception. I'd hate to find out she was having children. My policy has many things in it now that I don't plan on needing... but I'm satisfied with it... and my wife won't be needing those "pregnancy services" either... my car has many features on it that I've never used and won't ever use... but I like it... my cell phone has many features on it I don't use... my computer has many features on it I don't use... my satellite remote has many features on it that I don't use... etc... hell, my wife has many features on her that I don't use much any more... get my drift?... So what you're saying is that you're just fine paying for things you'll never need?
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 17:34:53 GMT -5
My policy has many things in it now that I don't plan on needing... but I'm satisfied with it... and my wife won't be needing those "pregnancy services" either... my car has many features on it that I've never used and won't ever use... but I like it... my cell phone has many features on it I don't use... my computer has many features on it I don't use... my satellite remote has many features on it that I don't use... etc... hell, my wife has many features on her that I don't use much any more... get my drift?... So what you're saying is that you're just fine paying for things you'll never need? That would be correct in this instance... I hope I never need my, or my wife's, life insurance either...
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 24, 2014 17:37:41 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that you're just fine paying for things you'll never need? That would be correct in this instance... I hope I never need my, or my wife's, life insurance either... Well, isn't it sort of a given that someone, at some point, is going to need your life insurance? I mean, you're not immortal vampires or something, are you? If the pregnancy coverage is never going to be needed, why are you ok paying for it?
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Post by rentedmule on Dec 24, 2014 18:05:54 GMT -5
That would be correct in this instance... I hope I never need my, or my wife's, life insurance either... Well, isn't it sort of a given that someone, at some point, is going to need your life insurance? I mean, you're not immortal vampires or something, are you? I believe the posters point is that he is comfortable with the government philosophy of "insuring" for 100% probabilities. After all, it's not actually insurance anyway, so why bother to structure a risk management tool when in reality it is a political device.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 24, 2014 18:37:30 GMT -5
Well, isn't it sort of a given that someone, at some point, is going to need your life insurance? I mean, you're not immortal vampires or something, are you? I believe the posters point is that he is comfortable with the government philosophy of "insuring" for 100% probabilities. After all, it's not actually insurance anyway, so why bother to structure a risk management tool when in reality it is a political device. Well, that's the thing. Life insurance is a different sort of animal from health insurance. At some point, the life insurance is going to pay out. In a sense, life insurance isn't a risk management tool - there's a 100% chance that at some point, you will die. It's more a way to save up to leave your heirs something to protect them. Health insurance on the other hand, is a risk management tool. You may or may not ever need it. Unless of course, you're a male with pregnancy coverage. That's just a waste, whether it's a political device or not.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 24, 2014 23:32:58 GMT -5
Well, isn't it sort of a given that someone, at some point, is going to need your life insurance? I mean, you're not immortal vampires or something, are you? I believe the posters point is that he is comfortable with the government philosophy of "insuring" for 100% probabilities. After all, it's not actually insurance anyway, so why bother to structure a risk management tool when in reality it is a political device. I had the coverage a long time before Obamacare... and my wife had her last baby over 40 years ago... I still have the coverage... And I still pay school taxes... and my youngest graduated from high school over 15 years ago... I pay road and bridge taxes to build and maintain roads and bridges I'll never use... I pay for a lot of things I may never use... but we, as Americans, will...
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Post by rocketwolf on Dec 24, 2014 23:41:41 GMT -5
You know what you can defend Obama until you are blue in the face. I don't like him, he is a very poor President, having done little or nothing for the economy.He lies and I don't like liars. The only disapproval rating I believe in is mine, and my rating of Obama is a 90% negative. Now to be fair you have to admit the economy is getting better. In fact the improvement in the economy is inversely proportional to the number of days Obama has left in office. America is getting better off in spite of his foolishness NOT because of it.
Its hard to keep our economy down forever, his 6 years seem like forever though.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 25, 2014 0:51:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I hear ya... when it was going down, it was his fault... but when it's going up, it isn't... next thing you know, it'll be that new Republican controlled Senate...
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Post by aponderer on Dec 25, 2014 10:02:29 GMT -5
I believe the posters point is that he is comfortable with the government philosophy of "insuring" for 100% probabilities. After all, it's not actually insurance anyway, so why bother to structure a risk management tool when in reality it is a political device. I had the coverage a long time before Obamacare... and my wife had her last baby over 40 years ago... I still have the coverage... And I still pay school taxes... and my youngest graduated from high school over 15 years ago... I pay road and bridge taxes to build and maintain roads and bridges I'll never use...
I pay for a lot of things I may never use... but we, as Americans, will... How do you know that? The way you post about your travels makes it seem like you've been down every road in the U.S. And outside of Mississippi how do you know that you pay for all those other roads? P.S., Merry Christmas, A.D. The sun is shining back here, so I hope those twisters decide to disappear down your way. Stay safe!
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 25, 2014 10:40:18 GMT -5
I had the coverage a long time before Obamacare... and my wife had her last baby over 40 years ago... I still have the coverage... And I still pay school taxes... and my youngest graduated from high school over 15 years ago... I pay road and bridge taxes to build and maintain roads and bridges I'll never use...
I pay for a lot of things I may never use... but we, as Americans, will... How do you know that? The way you post about your travels makes it seem like you've been down every road in the U.S. And outside of Mississippi how do you know that you pay for all those other roads? P.S., Merry Christmas, A.D. The sun is shining back here, so I hope those twisters decide to disappear down your way. Stay safe! Simple... every time one fuels up, they pay state and federal gasoline taxes... and while it may sound like I've driven on every road in the U.S... keep in mind that there are quite a few of them... which means I have a ways to go... I'm sure there are many of them that I'll never make... but I am working on it... Speaking of "seeing 'em all"... have you seen the "Vacation Memories" and "Traveling the USA and Canada" photo albums on my FB page?... (I can go back to those places with just a few clicks here)... As for the weather here?... it's all clear... the 2 deaths here were all... both killed on a good friend of mine's property...
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