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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 5, 2014 8:45:20 GMT -5
Yes it is, but not in the way you would like. Please don't presume to think that you know what I would like, as in this case you will be wrong far more often than you are right. Your posting history is a good indication of what you would like.
Unless of course you have been lying, taking the opposite side just to stir the pot.
Which would also be an indicator.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 9:03:24 GMT -5
Please don't presume to think that you know what I would like, as in this case you will be wrong far more often than you are right. Your posting history is a good indication of what you would like.
Unless of course you have been lying, taking the opposite side just to stir the pot.
Which would also be an indicator.
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other. My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp.
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Post by freddfish on Nov 5, 2014 9:14:15 GMT -5
Your posting history is a good indication of what you would like.
Unless of course you have been lying, taking the opposite side just to stir the pot.
Which would also be an indicator.
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other.
My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp. Not to point out the obvious, but so do many of us. Although, as to the bitter insults, our political discourse seems rather tame, when stacked up against the contentious tone of a lot of the rhetroic over there in GB. One of the things I do feel frustrated by: the number of stories that report on the foilibles of the Obama administration that come from the English press, because our media lacks the balls to honestly pursue them and do their job.
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Post by rentedmule on Nov 5, 2014 9:26:25 GMT -5
Your posting history is a good indication of what you would like.
Unless of course you have been lying, taking the opposite side just to stir the pot.
Which would also be an indicator.
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other. My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp. I'm not surprised in the slightest at your disgust when observing American political processes in action! While I stop short at proclaiming any American Exceptionalism I do understand how we seem quite queer in our practice of democratic government when viewed from abroad. Although the US leads the world as a destination, it's most likely because of the 'outcomes' our system generates, not the process itself. Please don't judge Americans by a board such as this that tends to be a genuine tribal conflict. It would be misleading!
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Post by rentedmule on Nov 5, 2014 9:29:44 GMT -5
That's what he is saying. But he doesn't mean it. The law does require unions to provide services to their members for the dues or DE they pay... Seems clear to me. A compulsory relationship.
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 5, 2014 9:33:22 GMT -5
Your posting history is a good indication of what you would like.
Unless of course you have been lying, taking the opposite side just to stir the pot.
Which would also be an indicator.
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other. My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp. I will believe what you say above. I will say that I agree with what you said. Particularly the bold part. It is very tiresome to be rammed into the Tea party group because you espouse fiscal conservatism, but demagoguery is all the rage these days. Have a nice day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 9:38:47 GMT -5
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other.
My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp. Not to point out the obvious, but so do many of us. Although, as to the bitter insults, our political discourse seems rather tame, when stacked up against the contentious tone of a lot of the rhetroic over there in GB. One of the things I do feel frustrated by: the number of stories that report on the foilibles of the Obama administration that come from the English press, because our media lacks the balls to honestly pursue them and do their job. I will agree with you that the Parliamentary House of Commons can get very heated an insulting and appear quite childish at times, same thing on political chat shows etc but on a day to day basis, when I discuss politics on a British forum or in a pub, it is far more civil than it is on here and other US bulletin boards. It always amazes me that the US media allows itself to be beaten by the British press on so many news stories, they must receive them at the same time. Some stories, I won't go into them specifically here, are a full day, sometimes even more before they are run in the US media, it makes me wonder if some of them have to be vetted by some authorities with a vested interest before they are passed to the general public. If I were an American, my home page would still be www.bbc.co.uk/news thar way I would always be ahead of the game over there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 9:44:10 GMT -5
Unlike many, neigh most, of the posters here, I can follow the party that most matches my political beliefs and ambitions and yet still disagree with some of their policies. Unless I run as a candidate, I will never find a man or party that represents my views 100%. I very much dislike the American polarization of politics, the black swing white, swing black again and the bitter insults that the left and right contantly throw at each other. My posting history may well be contrary to yours, but you only see what I comment on, you do not see my finer politics, which are much more middle of the road than most on here. I do believe that it is possible to find a balance between fiscal conservatism and social needs and will not pitch my tent in either extreme camp. I'm not surprised in the slightest at your disgust when observing American political processes in action! While I stop short at proclaiming any American Exceptionalism I do understand how we seem quite queer in our practice of democratic government when viewed from abroad. Although the US leads the world as a destination, it's most likely because of the 'outcomes' our system generates, not the process itself. Please don't judge Americans by a board such as this that tends to be a genuine tribal conflict. It would be misleading! My personal experiences from my travels and stays in the US do not match my opinions of many of the posters on this forum. Generally I have found individual Americans to be very civil, polite and generous of spirit.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 5, 2014 9:49:17 GMT -5
The law does require unions to provide services to their members for the dues or DE they pay... Seems clear to me. A compulsory relationship. No more than telling you how fast you can drive your car if you drive...
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Post by freddfish on Nov 5, 2014 10:40:52 GMT -5
Not to point out the obvious, but so do many of us. Although, as to the bitter insults, our political discourse seems rather tame, when stacked up against the contentious tone of a lot of the rhetroic over there in GB. One of the things I do feel frustrated by: the number of stories that report on the foilibles of the Obama administration that come from the English press, because our media lacks the balls to honestly pursue them and do their job. I will agree with you that the Parliamentary House of Commons can get very heated an insulting and appear quite childish at times, same thing on political chat shows etc but on a day to day basis, when I discuss politics on a British forum or in a pub, it is far more civil than it is on here and other US bulletin boards. ...and you also get the occasional total nutcase that I find refreshing. Like that guy in GB that felt that gov't had become too remote from the people...so he proposed putting the House of Parliament on wheels, and moving it all over the country. I could only imagine standing on a windswept hill in the Yorkshire Dales, say, and seeing the House of Parliament looming into sight over the top of a hill. Rather Pythonesque.....
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Post by freddfish on Nov 5, 2014 10:51:01 GMT -5
Not to point out the obvious, but so do many of us. Although, as to the bitter insults, our political discourse seems rather tame, when stacked up against the contentious tone of a lot of the rhetroic over there in GB. One of the things I do feel frustrated by: the number of stories that report on the foilibles of the Obama administration that come from the English press, because our media lacks the balls to honestly pursue them and do their job. I will agree with you that the Parliamentary House of Commons can get very heated an insulting and appear quite childish at times, same thing on political chat shows etc but on a day to day basis, when I discuss politics on a British forum or in a pub, it is far more civil than it is on here and other US bulletin boards. It always amazes me that the US media allows itself to be beaten by the British press on so many news stories, they must receive them at the same time. Some stories, I won't go into them specifically here, are a full day, sometimes even more before they are run in the US media, it makes me wonder if some of them have to be vetted by some authorities with a vested interest before they are passed to the general public. If I were an American, my home page would still be www.bbc.co.uk/news thar way I would always be ahead of the game over there. Sorry, my post got truncated...I hate this board's software sometime. Short answer? They are. American journalist regularly refuse to ask the tough questions, and whatever hard stories are written get spiked by the editors, or are simply never written. Sharyll Atkinson's ouster is merely one of the most recent on a long line of suppressions of real journalism. It shames me that we, the nation that practically invented "freedon of the press" have to go to the f&cking BRITISH to show us how real journalism is done. Sorry, but there it is. Ever watched an English journalist do a political interview? They ask the hard questions, get in the interviewees face, brook no bullsh1t, and REALLY speak truth to power. Compared to the bulldog scribes in GB, American journalists are a bunch of suckups and pu$$ies. That whole "football" thing though? God I hope that gay-ass sport never really catches on over here. It is about as exciting as watching paint dry... Just sayin'.....
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 5, 2014 12:31:14 GMT -5
No more than telling you how fast you can drive your car if you drive... Then, you regard the union as an extension of government? That seems to be the position implied by this assertion.
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Post by cyclegeek on Nov 5, 2014 12:32:45 GMT -5
... EVERYTHING! There's a war on women. There's a war on immigration. There's a war on the middle class. And heck, if you listen to the Dems, racism in this country has not improved one iota.Naturally, at least according to the Dems, all this originates with the Pubs. I have never known of any Democrat who would say that race relations in this Country have not improved a lot over the last 50 years... because one would have to be blind to think that they haven't... Some of you folks just pull things right out of the air... You would know.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 5, 2014 12:40:07 GMT -5
No more than telling you how fast you can drive your car if you drive... Then, you regard the union as an extension of government? That seems to be the position implied by this assertion. Not any more than most everything else... you drive a car, you have to abide by certain rules and regulations with regard to it's use... labor unions are no different... they also have to abide by rules and regulations with regard to their existence (use)... which includes them providing certain services to their members and those they represent... even if they are not members...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 5, 2014 12:41:10 GMT -5
I have never known of any Democrat who would say that race relations in this Country have not improved a lot over the last 50 years... because one would have to be blind to think that they haven't... Some of you folks just pull things right out of the air... You would know. Yes... I can detect it immediately... Even you gotta know the underlined statement made by you is not true... just look around, man... you're not blind...
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Post by cyclegeek on Nov 5, 2014 13:23:04 GMT -5
Yes... I can detect it immediately... Even you gotta know the underlined statement made by you is not true... just look around, man... you're not blind... Even you gotta know that the underlined statement was made as an exaggeration to demonstrate a point.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 5, 2014 13:39:01 GMT -5
Yes... I can detect it immediately... Even you gotta know the underlined statement made by you is not true... just look around, man... you're not blind... Even you gotta know that the underlined statement was made as an exaggeration to demonstrate a point. An exaggeration? These are the people who've tried to make martyrs out of Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, and Crystal Mangum. Yes. All those cases embody racism, but not the sort Democrats can afford to acknowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 17:14:05 GMT -5
Am glad the election is over.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 5, 2014 23:29:10 GMT -5
Yes... I can detect it immediately... Even you gotta know the underlined statement made by you is not true... just look around, man... you're not blind... Even you gotta know that the underlined statement was made as an exaggeration to demonstrate a point. See... RJ doesn't thinks so...
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Post by rentedmule on Nov 6, 2014 5:49:11 GMT -5
I'm not surprised in the slightest at your disgust when observing American political processes in action! While I stop short at proclaiming any American Exceptionalism I do understand how we seem quite queer in our practice of democratic government when viewed from abroad. Although the US leads the world as a destination, it's most likely because of the 'outcomes' our system generates, not the process itself. Please don't judge Americans by a board such as this that tends to be a genuine tribal conflict. It would be misleading! My personal experiences from my travels and stays in the US do not match my opinions of many of the posters on this forum. Generally I have found individual Americans to be very civil, polite and generous of spirit. Thanks for the response. All Americans, whether they accept it or not, are indebted to the heritage of western civilization in general, but most specifically the Anglo legacy. I guess my post was alluding to the English Parliament system and the fact that the UK does not have a genuine Constitution. I can understand why our two party contentious approach and our "fundamentalist" worship of our dear Constitution seems so gauche by European standards.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 6, 2014 6:27:36 GMT -5
Even you gotta know that the underlined statement was made as an exaggeration to demonstrate a point. See... RJ doesn't thinks so... The thing is, most Democrats say one thing, and then act like they don't believe it. For example, they'll say race relations have improved, and then they compare Emmet Till to Trayvon Martin like this article: Washington MonthlyOr, like Mary Landreau, they'll talk about how the south was inhospitable for blacks and women in the past as an explanation for why she's not doing well in a Senate race in 2014. In short, it's obvios that Democrats routinely say things they clearly don't believe.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 6, 2014 7:04:02 GMT -5
Am glad the election is over. It isn't over until all the ballots are counted, my county can't manage to count all the mail in ballots so we still do not know the outcome . It is nice that the ad's will stop now.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 23, 2014 19:02:39 GMT -5
" With approval ratings in the crapper............?" With the exception of Bill Clinton... every President since John Kennedy has had job approval ratings at less than 40% at one time or another in during their administrations... Barack Obama has not yet been below that 40%... "Off Presidential election years" have traditionally been good for opponents of the sitting President's Party... this year should not be an exception... "...at 48%, Obama's approval rating is at its highest point in CNN polling since May 2013."
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Post by rocketwolf on Dec 23, 2014 20:57:38 GMT -5
He still sucks for 52 % of the people, that is good if you are desperate to defend him.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 23, 2014 21:49:15 GMT -5
He still sucks for 52 % of the people, that is good if you are desperate to defend him. Actually, the disapproval rating is 49%... (a few undecideds)... but hey, "W'" approval ratings dropped as low as 25%... Clinton as low as 36%... H W Bush as low as 29%... and even Reagan as low as 35%... ALL lower than Obama has been at any time during his presidency... As for Obamacare... Not only is the economy booming after Obamacare has taken effect, but healthcare inflation is at its lowest rate in 50 years and the uninsured rate has never been this low.
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