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Post by davinci on Nov 26, 2014 12:02:22 GMT -5
Perhaps not waiting until 9 at night to announce might have helped tame that first night. What a bonehead move.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 26, 2014 12:04:04 GMT -5
On the news this morning people were quoted as saying "there was no justice in Ferguson". In fact, justice is *exactly* what there was: the case went to the grand jury, which is the correct process. Of the ten people, three were black - a greater proportion than in the general population. That is precisely the mechanism of justice. What those people clearly meant was that they're disappointed a young thug wasn't allowed to attack a police officer without consequence. The behavior they advocate is a kind of survival of the most violent anarchy. It doesn't matter that the 280# "kid" had just robbed a convenience store... roughed up the owner... was walking down the middle of the street with stolen merchandise... wouldn't obey an officer's instruction to get out of the middle of the street... and even viciously attacked that police officer and tried to take his gun... even kill him... What is "justice" for this kind of behavior... he may have gotten it himself...
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Post by alienrace on Nov 26, 2014 12:06:20 GMT -5
Even the media at the DA's announcement was ridiculously biased. We've clearly got a serious problem in this country where a lot of people are more concerned about race than justice. It's a bit scary when the people who shout "no justice, no peace" don't have the slightest idea what justice is. They were never going to accept anything less than a pound of flesh from Darren Wilson, no matter what evidence was presented. Minds were made up the minute the story broke(and almost wholly right along political lines), and haven't changed no matter what evidence came forth, and even after all of the evidence was presented - in an unprecedented manner, I might add, for transparency. The sad thing is, you're right, people don't care about justice, it's only about race, and worse, revenge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 12:12:11 GMT -5
On the news this morning people were quoted as saying "there was no justice in Ferguson". In fact, justice is *exactly* what there was: the case went to the grand jury, which is the correct process. Of the ten people, three were black - a greater proportion than in the general population. That is precisely the mechanism of justice. What those people clearly meant was that they're disappointed a young thug wasn't allowed to attack a police officer without consequence. The behavior they advocate is a kind of survival of the most violent anarchy. I thought there were 12 people on the grand jury. The demographic breakdown was nine whites and three blacks, which was closely representative of the overall racial makeup of St. Louis County. More specifically, the jury consisted of six white men, three white women, two black women and one black man.
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Post by aponderer on Nov 26, 2014 12:18:29 GMT -5
On the news this morning people were quoted as saying "there was no justice in Ferguson". In fact, justice is *exactly* what there was: the case went to the grand jury, which is the correct process. Of the ten people, three were black - a greater proportion than in the general population. That is precisely the mechanism of justice. What those people clearly meant was that they're disappointed a young thug wasn't allowed to attack a police officer without consequence. The behavior they advocate is a kind of survival of the most violent anarchy. I thought there were 12 people on the grand jury. The demographic breakdown was nine whites and three blacks, which was closely representative of the overall racial makeup of St. Louis County. More specifically, the jury consisted of six white men, three white women, two black women and one black man. That may be true, but I don't believe the actual vote (and who voted for what) is public information. I'm not sure the vote was unanimous, either (could be on all counts, but I don't remember the DA saying).
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 26, 2014 12:23:38 GMT -5
Perhaps not waiting until 9 at night to announce might have helped tame that first night. What a bonehead move. I assume the people in Ferguson were similar to those I heard protesting in Baltimore. Listening to them, I realized they are chiefly made up of our dumbest and least educated citizens. Their idea seems to be that Brown was shot for being black despite the fact that a grand jury - which included several black jurors - concluded otherwise. Add in some professional troublemakers (like Sharpton) and some people who just want to wreck things, and you've got a riot. Hell, they'd likely have rioted if Wilson had been indicted. News organizations, writing clickbait along the lines of "A Ferguson grand jury's controversial decision on Monday has shed light on the judicial system in the U.S." (KRDO, Colorado, for an example) doesn't help calm things, either. What's controversial about it? What kind of light does he shed on the judicial system? The article's author does not say. We're supposed to infer that, I suppose.
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 26, 2014 12:33:42 GMT -5
I miss sprightly, Demopublican, Baltimatt and several others but Im not going back. I believe Sprightly was here... but I think she got pissed off at something I said... I have talked with here over there... she's there now... one of, if not the, smartest female on the boards... and I mean no disrespect to anyone here... she's just very sharp and savvy too... Put this down as a time I agree with you. I went there last night for a peek saw some nice people and some jerks from the old days. No I did not see a post by you. I did check to see if I was still a member I wasnt, or I was using the wrong pass word, but no loss.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 26, 2014 13:01:36 GMT -5
Even the media at the DA's announcement was ridiculously biased. We've clearly got a serious problem in this country where a lot of people are more concerned about race than justice. It's a bit scary when the people who shout "no justice, no peace" don't have the slightest idea what justice is. They were never going to accept anything less than a pound of flesh from Darren Wilson, no matter what evidence was presented. Minds were made up the minute the story broke(and almost wholly right along political lines), and haven't changed no matter what evidence came forth, and even after all of the evidence was presented - in an unprecedented manner, I might add, for transparency. The sad thing is, you're right, people don't care about justice, it's only about race, and worse, revenge. I understand the tribal nature of politics - especially identity politics - and the knee-jerk desire to believe whatever scenario best fits your world view the instant a story like this breaks. But we're in a lot of trouble if we've reached the point where minds don't change based on the facts. And that seems to be where we are. Reality doesn't matter to racial arsonists.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 26, 2014 13:02:36 GMT -5
I believe Sprightly was here... but I think she got pissed off at something I said... I have talked with here over there... she's there now... one of, if not the, smartest female on the boards... and I mean no disrespect to anyone here... she's just very sharp and savvy too... Put this down as a time I agree with you. I went there last night for a peek saw some nice people and some jerks from the old days. No I did not see a post by you. I did check to see if I was still a member I wasnt, or I was using the wrong pass word, but no loss. I did the same. They must've purged the inactive members at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 13:09:47 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 26, 2014 13:10:18 GMT -5
Even the media at the DA's announcement was ridiculously biased. We've clearly got a serious problem in this country where a lot of people are more concerned about race than justice. It's a bit scary when the people who shout "no justice, no peace" don't have the slightest idea what justice is. As multiple people have said, if you can't get an indictment based on the evidence, a conviction would be all but impossible. And, no, skin color isn't evidence. These people don't want justice, they want revenge... the most amazing thing to me is them protesting with their hands raised as if they are surrendering... which it's seems pretty clear, Michael Brown did NOT do... And you're right... this should NOT be a racial issue... but some have made it that... Â I completely agree.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 26, 2014 13:19:55 GMT -5
A body camera on the officier would have shown what happened. From what I read this6'5" boy reached into the police car and tried to take the officiers gun he fired twice nothing happened then the third time the boy took the bullet. I doubt a body camera would have mattered one iota to these people. The video camera in the store didn't matter. The multiple eye witness accounts didn't matter. The forensic evidence didn't matter. The protesters have proven over and over again that they are impervious to reality. They'd simply write off the body camera as doctored or something. I'm not even saying that because I'm opposed to body cameras. It's been pretty well established over the years that dash cameras are, far more often than not, an officer's best friend. I'm sure body cameras will prove equally beneficial to the police. 999 times out of a thousand, it's not the officer who's lying about how something happened. But, technology is often a financial burden to small police agencies, and there does come a point we have to consider privacy concerns. Do we REALLY want more cameras?
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 26, 2014 13:36:56 GMT -5
Even the media at the DA's announcement was ridiculously biased. We've clearly got a serious problem in this country where a lot of people are more concerned about race than justice. It's a bit scary when the people who shout "no justice, no peace" don't have the slightest idea what justice is. They were never going to accept anything less than a pound of flesh from Darren Wilson, no matter what evidence was presented. Minds were made up the minute the story broke( and almost wholly right along political lines), and haven't changed no matter what evidence came forth, and even after all of the evidence was presented - in an unprecedented manner, I might add, for transparency. The sad thing is, you're right, people don't care about justice, it's only about race, and worse, revenge. I don't completely understand this "along Party lines" thing... many here see me as a liberal... and a Democrat... I am more "liberal" than some here, but I am not a Democrat... and I have been on the side of this Ferguson officer since day one... and I was on the side of Travon Martin since day one... still am...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 26, 2014 13:40:39 GMT -5
Perhaps not waiting until 9 at night to announce might have helped tame that first night. What a bonehead move. I assume the people in Ferguson were similar to those I heard protesting in Baltimore. Listening to them, I realized they are chiefly made up of our dumbest and least educated citizens. Their idea seems to be that Brown was shot for being black despite the fact that a grand jury - which included several black jurors - concluded otherwise. Add in some professional troublemakers (like Sharpton) and some people who just want to wreck things, and you've got a riot. Hell, they'd likely have rioted if Wilson had been indicted. News organizations, writing clickbait along the lines of "A Ferguson grand jury's controversial decision on Monday has shed light on the judicial system in the U.S." (KRDO, Colorado, for an example) doesn't help calm things, either. What's controversial about it? What kind of light does he shed on the judicial system? The article's author does not say. We're supposed to infer that, I suppose.And unfortunately too many do infer the wrong thing... and then sometimes they don't even have to infer... the news media does it for them... the wrong way...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 26, 2014 13:44:58 GMT -5
I believe Sprightly was here... but I think she got pissed off at something I said... I have talked with here over there... she's there now... one of, if not the, smartest female on the boards... and I mean no disrespect to anyone here... she's just very sharp and savvy too... Put this down as a time I agree with you. I went there last night for a peek saw some nice people and some jerks from the old days. No I did not see a post by you. I did check to see if I was still a member I wasnt, or I was using the wrong pass word, but no loss. I'm still there... never left... and still post on occasion... have even had a couple of "tussles" with Sprightly there not that long ago... we've always been good at that... (because she's so smart)... but have enjoyed each other's company face-to-face on more than one occasion...
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Post by alienrace on Nov 26, 2014 14:14:12 GMT -5
They were never going to accept anything less than a pound of flesh from Darren Wilson, no matter what evidence was presented. Minds were made up the minute the story broke( and almost wholly right along political lines), and haven't changed no matter what evidence came forth, and even after all of the evidence was presented - in an unprecedented manner, I might add, for transparency. The sad thing is, you're right, people don't care about justice, it's only about race, and worse, revenge. I don't completely understand this "along Party lines" thing... many here see me as a liberal... and a Democrat... I am more "liberal" than some here, but I am not a Democrat... and I have been on the side of this Ferguson officer since day one... and I was on the side of Travon Martin since day one... still am... Well, I said "almost wholly right along political lines". You sir, are one of the few exceptions, and I applaud you for being open minded about it.
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Post by Ravenchamp on Nov 26, 2014 17:09:05 GMT -5
Ferguson authorities are perplexed by the strange murder of DeAndre Joshua, whose body was found on Tuesday morning near where Michael Brown’s was killed in August. Joshua, 20, was found dead inside a parked car just two blocks from where the Michael Brown murder took place. Now, rumors are swirling that Joshua testified as an eyewitness to this killing in front of the grand jury, and that he himself was murdered as retribution for this testimony. mrconservative.com/2014/11/53048-man-murdered-in-ferguson-likely-a-grand-jury-witness/
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Post by aponderer on Nov 26, 2014 17:17:25 GMT -5
Put this down as a time I agree with you. I went there last night for a peek saw some nice people and some jerks from the old days. No I did not see a post by you. I did check to see if I was still a member I wasnt, or I was using the wrong pass word, but no loss. I'm still there... never left... and still post on occasion... have even had a couple of "tussles" with Sprightly there not that long ago... we've always been good at that... (because she's so smart)... but have enjoyed each other's company face-to-face on more than one occasion... Well I've enjoyed both you and Sprightly face-to-face, and she is MUCH better looking than you, too. [but I don't hold that against you...]
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 26, 2014 17:44:50 GMT -5
You didn't go to Mothers with us, did you?...
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Post by aponderer on Nov 26, 2014 17:59:16 GMT -5
Sure did. I sat at the end of the table next to Sprightly, and you were on the other side of the table from Sprightly, but towards the other end.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 26, 2014 18:20:00 GMT -5
I couldn't remember... but I do remember we sure enjoyed it... and I almost got left out because I was running my mouth somewhere else down the street...
I do think I've got some pics of that occasion somewhere...
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 26, 2014 18:23:04 GMT -5
Put this down as a time I agree with you. I went there last night for a peek saw some nice people and some jerks from the old days. No I did not see a post by you. I did check to see if I was still a member I wasnt, or I was using the wrong pass word, but no loss. I did the same. They must've purged the inactive members at some point. I checked for mine and once I remembered my password still had an account. Don't want to post. My user name would dig up old grudges from former members here. Tempted to, but just read another account of threats to the Mods for not removing a poster that was not liked.
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Post by aponderer on Nov 26, 2014 19:06:59 GMT -5
I couldn't remember... but I do remember we sure enjoyed it... and I almost got left out because I was running my mouth somewhere else down the street... I do think I've got some pics of that occasion somewhere... And there were other occasions such at Ropewalk, The Barn, etc...
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Post by cajunraven on Nov 27, 2014 9:20:36 GMT -5
Finally a thread on this subject(you should see the "old" boards) where there is reasonable discussion between those on the left and right, and middle. Thank you, to all of you. Now that you can read there again without cost, I don't believe I will post there again. Are there Mods on that forum.. Some of the posters are threatening the Mods with removal. AR, thanks for pointing me back here. I had all the "reasonable discussion" I could take over there.
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Post by cajunraven on Nov 27, 2014 9:21:51 GMT -5
Then they would have only had one person to crucify... and not just the DA... These people don't want justice... they want revenge... I heard Donna Brazile (political activist) call Brown's killing a murder yesterday before the decision was released... I also heard Don Lemon (CNN) say everybody was expecting an indictment before the decision was released... of course, both are Black... if that sounds racist... it's because it sure seems to be... Donna Brazile has to be one of the racist people ever allowed to write editorials for the left. The Easton Star Democrat has her hatefull spewing several times a week. Some of them seem to think Matt is a RWNJ. Go figure.
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