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Post by stevez51 on Mar 29, 2015 12:30:42 GMT -5
Absolutely... some people still like their privacy... (and the server was set up for Bill, not Hill... she just kept it)... especially in this era of these damn rogue Republicans looking for something to make something out of that really isn't there... and that's basically ALL they want to do to the Clintons... because they hate 'em... they represent a threat to the republicans agenda... I don't own my own server... but I delete a lot of emails simply because I don't want to keep 'em... not because I have anything to hide... and my private world is as important to me as her private world is to her... Why go through all the expense for Bill when he said he has only used email twice .. Still believe there were messages about donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign donors on there. That is what she is hiding.
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Post by rocketwolf on Mar 29, 2015 12:59:43 GMT -5
Now can you see why I put ab on ignore, he is far too willing to say anything to follow the Demo line. Have you put red leg on ignore for the same reason following the Pubby line? No I keep him for the amusement factor I can't believe he is real. You I keep because while you are way far left in general you don't lie or puff your self up for no reason. I'd share a brew and conversation with you the other 2 would be a waste of time.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 29, 2015 13:24:30 GMT -5
I wipe it, of course. However, I am not a high government official whose actions, thinking, and decision-making is suitable for analysis by (at the least) historians. Hillary was such an official. Why do you wipe it if you have nothing to hide? I do have something to hide: my identity from identity thieves. I could care less who sees my email; the biggest risk is to them, falling asleep. Okay, there may be a few sensitive emails in there (discussions with clients, chiefly), but... boring. And since you seem to have missed it, I am not a high government official. Different standards must apply to them. They must take whatever steps are necessary to ensure their accountability. Hillary should never have wiped her server. She should have turned it over to the government. There ought not be any classified data on there unless its physical location was secured for that, but if so, it could have been archived until it aged out of relevance (there's actually standards for that - I believe it's fifty years). So: what did she not want people to know, ever?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 29, 2015 13:27:22 GMT -5
Hell, why go all the way back to Reagan?... close your eyes and see how many Dick Cheney deleted... government emails too... how many was it now?... a couple of million?... Dear Defender of All Things Democrat, "But they did it, too" is not now and never has been a credible defense. Signed, John Q. Public
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Post by aponderer on Mar 29, 2015 15:41:36 GMT -5
Why? Because in her case, it is a felony to do what she did. In your case it's not. I'll help you out. Close your eyes and imagine that Ronald Reagan did this. Now can you see how wrong it is? Hell, why go all the way back to Reagan?... close your eyes and see how many Dick Cheney deleted... government emails too... how many was it now?... a couple of million?... When Hillary is hit with a real felony... let me know... otherwise call Dick... not only is he good at deleting emails... he has some good advice for you... ----------------------------- The White House possesses no archived e-mail messages for many of its component offices, including the Executive Office of the President and the Office of the Vice President, for 473 days between 2003 and 2005.....
The missing Cheney emails fit a pattern that suggests intentional rather than accidental destruction. They all occur on days on which, considering contemporaneous press reports, the Vice President or his staff members were in the news and would likely have been communicating on the subjects relating to the press coverage. Now that may be felonious... Next... Although what Reagan, Bush, or Cheney did or did not do regarding emails has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton's recent actions regarding destroying emails, the quoted post does have merit in the form of providing a clear example of the red herring fallacy (sometimes called deflection). I might point out that this technique of deflection was also demonstrated recently by the President when he attempted to deflect the barbarism of the Islamic terrorists by going back, not decades, but centuries and citing acts of the Christians during the Crusades.
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 29, 2015 17:00:44 GMT -5
Absolutely... some people still like their privacy... (and the server was set up for Bill, not Hill... she just kept it)... especially in this era of these damn rogue Republicans looking for something to make something out of that really isn't there... and that's basically ALL they want to do to the Clintons... because they hate 'em... they represent a threat to the republicans agenda... I don't own my own server... but I delete a lot of emails simply because I don't want to keep 'em... not because I have anything to hide... and my private world is as important to me as her private world is to her... Why go through all the expense for Bill when he said he has only used email twice .. Still believe there were messages about donations to the Clinton Foundation from foreign donors on there. That is what she is hiding. As for your question... I have no idea... and the two emails is likely not true over an 8-year period... but then again, Bill was in a position of having people do things for him... Hillary is more of a "hands on" person... My wife and I are the same way... I almost never use email... my wife uses it religiously...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 29, 2015 17:03:18 GMT -5
Have you put red leg on ignore for the same reason following the Pubby line? No I keep him for the amusement factor I can't believe he is real. You I keep because while you are way far left in general you don't lie or puff your self up for no reason. I'd share a brew and conversation with you the other 2 would be a waste of time. I'm too real for Rocketwolf... I think having a beer with him would be a waste of time too...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 29, 2015 17:09:58 GMT -5
When you dispose of an old computer, what do you do with its hard drive, leave it in there? I wipe it, of course. However, I am not a high government official whose actions, thinking, and decision-making is suitable for analysis by (at the least) historians. Hillary was such an official. And like she said... she probably should have used two servers... knowing the Republican buzzards would be hovering over her forever... but she didn't... that doesn't change the fact that she likely had personal AND government related emails on the same server... Bottom line is... the Republicans will NEVER be satisfied as long as the Clintons are anywhere near the political eye... they have made utter fools out of the Republicans over the last several years... thwarted them on every single hand...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 29, 2015 17:11:57 GMT -5
I wipe it, of course. However, I am not a high government official whose actions, thinking, and decision-making is suitable for analysis by (at the least) historians. Hillary was such an official. Why do you wipe it if you have nothing to hide? Seriously, there's a shedload of double standarding going on in this thread, I expect it from most of the righties on here, I didn't expect it from you. But he does have something to hide... why else would he "wipe" it?... I don't... so I simply delete mine... you wanta see 'em... bring yourself on... you're gonna be disappointed...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 29, 2015 17:17:29 GMT -5
Hell, why go all the way back to Reagan?... close your eyes and see how many Dick Cheney deleted... government emails too... how many was it now?... a couple of million?... Dear Defender of All Things Democrat, "But they did it, too" is not now and never has been a credible defense. Signed, John Q. Public "I" didn't bring up Reagan with regard to this issue... that would be Breakingbad... take you beef up with him... I simply said we wouldn't have to go back that far...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 29, 2015 17:20:40 GMT -5
Hell, why go all the way back to Reagan?... close your eyes and see how many Dick Cheney deleted... government emails too... how many was it now?... a couple of million?... When Hillary is hit with a real felony... let me know... otherwise call Dick... not only is he good at deleting emails... he has some good advice for you... ----------------------------- The White House possesses no archived e-mail messages for many of its component offices, including the Executive Office of the President and the Office of the Vice President, for 473 days between 2003 and 2005.....
The missing Cheney emails fit a pattern that suggests intentional rather than accidental destruction. They all occur on days on which, considering contemporaneous press reports, the Vice President or his staff members were in the news and would likely have been communicating on the subjects relating to the press coverage. Now that may be felonious... Next... Although what Reagan, Bush, or Cheney did or did not do regarding emails has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton's recent actions regarding destroying emails, the quoted post does have merit in the form of providing a clear example of the red herring fallacy (sometimes called deflection). I might point out that this technique of deflection was also demonstrated recently by the President when he attempted to deflect the barbarism of the Islamic terrorists by going back, not decades, but centuries and citing acts of the Christians during the Crusades. Like I told EY... I didn't bring up the "old" emailers... Breaking bad did... I simply responded to his comments...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 29, 2015 19:37:27 GMT -5
And like she said... she probably should have used two servers... knowing the Republican buzzards would be hovering over her forever... but she didn't... that doesn't change the fact that she likely had personal AND government related emails on the same server... The Republicans don't enter into it. She had a responsibility to her bosses - us - and to history. The GOP may be your bete noire, but sometimes people make mistakes, as Hillary did, that have nothing to do with them. Bottom line is... the Republicans will NEVER be satisfied as long as the Clintons are anywhere near the political eye... they have made utter fools out of the Republicans over the last several years... thwarted them on every single hand... That is a VERY subjective view of recent history.
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 29, 2015 20:57:34 GMT -5
The Republicans enter in because they have been on a Clinton witch-hunt since the late 1980's...
See: THE HUNTING OF THE PRESIDENT: The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill and Hillary Clinton... by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons
The chances are that hardly anyone noticed the two political operatives from Arkansas who slipped in and out of Republican national headquarters on an Autumn day in 1989. Neither had a famous face, unlike the man they had come to visit. They had flown in from Little Rock to meet secretly with Lee Atwater, the chairman of the Republican National Committee. "You boys have to remember, I don't give a fu*k who the governor of Arkansas is," he said. "My only job as chairman of the Republican National Committee is to get George Bush reelected. The media's full of talk about Mario Cuomo or Bill Bradley. We know how to paint them up as northeastern liberals like Dukakis. That's easy! What scares me is a southern moderate or conservative democrat, and the scariest of all, because he's the most talented of the bunch, is Bill Clinton."
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Post by aponderer on Mar 30, 2015 1:26:47 GMT -5
A.D., please help me refresh my memory. More than 15 years ago, who was it on the old Sunspot forum that suggested "A.D." stood for "artful dodger?"
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Post by redleg on Mar 30, 2015 7:54:41 GMT -5
IOW, you believe the liars regardless, because you have invested far too much in them to actually admit the truth. No... because I know who the real "liars" are... and I also know the Clintons very well... Yes, the Clintons. She has been known as being corrupt since she was thrown off the Nixon investigations for stealing documents and hiding them. She's just been protected by the Democrats and the LR media because Waco Billy Boy was a "rising star", and indicting her would have damaged his chances.
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Post by redleg on Mar 30, 2015 7:59:00 GMT -5
I wipe it, of course. However, I am not a high government official whose actions, thinking, and decision-making is suitable for analysis by (at the least) historians. Hillary was such an official. Why do you wipe it if you have nothing to hide? Seriously, there's a shedload of double standarding going on in this thread, I expect it from most of the righties on here, I didn't expect it from you. You don't seem to understand that, as a Federal Cabinet Secretary, those emails weren't hers to delete. Just because she bought the server doesn't mean she can wipe it of Federal information. Just like Dingy Harry is 'retiring' ahead of a possible indictment for bribery, corruption, and selling influence, Hillary wiped her server to stop any investigations into espionage, selling Federal secrets, and selling influence. If there is no evidence, they can't charge her. However, she can be charged with obstruction of justice. And she should be.
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Post by redleg on Mar 30, 2015 8:02:58 GMT -5
I wipe it, of course. However, I am not a high government official whose actions, thinking, and decision-making is suitable for analysis by (at the least) historians. Hillary was such an official. And like she said... she probably should have used two servers... knowing the Republican buzzards would be hovering over her forever... but she didn't... that doesn't change the fact that she likely had personal AND government related emails on the same server... Bottom line is... the Republicans will NEVER be satisfied as long as the Clintons are anywhere near the political eye... they have made utter fools out of the Republicans over the last several years... thwarted them on every single hand... No one in America should be satisfied until both Clintons are wearing orange jumpsuits and living in 8x10 cells for the rest of their lives. Rape, selling influence, espionage against the US, all are punishable offenses, and just a few of the charges that should be brought against them.
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Post by redleg on Mar 30, 2015 8:04:52 GMT -5
Why do you wipe it if you have nothing to hide? Seriously, there's a shedload of double standarding going on in this thread, I expect it from most of the righties on here, I didn't expect it from you. But he does have something to hide... why else would he "wipe" it?... I don't... so I simply delete mine... you wanta see 'em... bring yourself on... you're gonna be disappointed... Speaking of double standards. Cheney "obviously had something to hide" when he deleted emails, but Hillary must be clean as the wind driven snow for doing the same. Of course, Cheney doesn't have a 40 year history of destroying evidence, stealing documents, and selling influence. Hillary does.
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Post by breakingbad on Mar 30, 2015 8:09:13 GMT -5
Although what Reagan, Bush, or Cheney did or did not do regarding emails has nothing to do with Mrs. Clinton's recent actions regarding destroying emails, the quoted post does have merit in the form of providing a clear example of the red herring fallacy (sometimes called deflection). I might point out that this technique of deflection was also demonstrated recently by the President when he attempted to deflect the barbarism of the Islamic terrorists by going back, not decades, but centuries and citing acts of the Christians during the Crusades. Like I told EY... I didn't bring up the "old" emailers... Breaking bad did... I simply responded to his comments... I did not bring up old emailers. As usual, you totally missed the point because you are too buy bending over backwards to come up with a defense just because she is a Democrat. If she were a Republican, you would be screaming bloody murder at her felonious actions. The difference here is, even if she were a republican, I would be calling for her to spend time behind bars. She broke the law. It doesn't matter what her political persuasion is.
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 30, 2015 8:27:26 GMT -5
A.D., please help me refresh my memory. More than 15 years ago, who was it on the old Sunspot forum that suggested "A.D." stood for "artful dodger?" There's even a flame warrior profile fo the Artful Dodger: Flame Warriors
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 30, 2015 8:29:19 GMT -5
But he does have something to hide... why else would he "wipe" it?... I don't... so I simply delete mine... you wanta see 'em... bring yourself on... you're gonna be disappointed... Speaking of double standards. Cheney "obviously had something to hide" when he deleted emails, but Hillary must be clean as the wind driven snow for doing the same. Of course, Cheney doesn't have a 40 year history of destroying evidence, stealing documents, and selling influence. Hillary does. I don't think I said Cheney had anything to hide... I'll look...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 30, 2015 8:31:49 GMT -5
Like I told EY... I didn't bring up the "old" emailers... Breaking bad did... I simply responded to his comments... I did not bring up old emailers. As usual, you totally missed the point because you are too buy bending over backwards to come up with a defense just because she is a Democrat. If she were a Republican, you would be screaming bloody murder at her felonious actions. The difference here is, even if she were a republican, I would be calling for her to spend time behind bars. She broke the law. It doesn't matter what her political persuasion is. Nah....... you'd never do that... Breakingbad said: "I'll help you out. Close your eyes and imagine that Ronald Reagan did this. Now can you see how wrong it is?"
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Post by breakingbad on Mar 30, 2015 8:34:26 GMT -5
Hopeless
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 30, 2015 8:35:22 GMT -5
A.D., please help me refresh my memory. More than 15 years ago, who was it on the old Sunspot forum that suggested "A.D." stood for "artful dodger?" I don't really remember, Aponderer... it was likely somebody who just couldn't keep up with me... I try to ignore namecalling... because I don't make a habit of doing it... I make no apologies for being well read... and well informed... and for having been on the ground for a long time... in a lot of places...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 30, 2015 8:38:24 GMT -5
Yeah... you can't get away with a damned thing, can you?...
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