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Post by aboutwell on Apr 21, 2015 9:58:47 GMT -5
Sorry, but we're all tired of your 'I didn't say what I said' routine. Hell, it was boring 10 years ago. In other words, you CAN'T quote me... because you lied when you said I said it... have been for the last 10 years, I guess... No worries here...
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 21, 2015 10:08:18 GMT -5
Thanks so much for some great, common sense, comments, Cowboyz... and I bet you weren't roaming the neighborhood unsupervised at the age of 6-years... and I hope not even at the age of 10-years... (I don't even let my 12-year-old granddaughter do that)... a parent who really loves their children... and is responsible... doesn't let their small kids do that... and even keep a watchful eye out on the older ones... lest those kids grow up to be found roaming yours and some other neighborhood... looking for something to steal or other mischief they can get into...
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 21, 2015 10:29:51 GMT -5
Sorry, but we're all tired of your 'I didn't say what I said' routine. Hell, it was boring 10 years ago. In other words, you CAN'T quote me... because you lied when you said I said it... have been for the last 10 years, I guess... No worries here... On the contrary, your words are there for everyone to see. It's not my problem you won't accept responsibility for them. And we've all had the aboutwell experience before. You're beyond reason, and no one else here needs to be convinced of that fact.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 21, 2015 11:05:52 GMT -5
In other words, you CAN'T quote me... because you lied when you said I said it... have been for the last 10 years, I guess... No worries here... On the contrary, your words are there for everyone to see. It's not my problem you won't accept responsibility for them. And we've all had the aboutwell experience before. You're beyond reason, and no one else here needs to be convinced of that fact. I'll send anyone who finds them a check for $100... if you'll send me one for $100 if they don't... deal?...
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Post by aponderer on Apr 21, 2015 13:04:56 GMT -5
Thanks so much for some great, common sense, comments, Cowboyz... and I bet you weren't roaming the neighborhood unsupervised at the age of 6-years... and I hope not even at the age of 10-years... (I don't even let my 12-year-old granddaughter do that)... a parent who really loves their children... and is responsible... doesn't let their small kids do that... and even keep a watchful eye out on the older ones... lest those kids grow up to be found roaming yours and some other neighborhood... looking for something to steal or other mischief they can get into... I can't speak for anyone else, but when I was a little kid, things were different. We hardly ever locked our doors; there were very few breakins or robberies (I don't think the term home invasion was invented yet). Just about all of us had BB guns, and we'd go on "hunting" trips. We ranged pretty far (a mile or more) and bagged quite a few starlings and sparrows. And we knew to be back home by lunchtime or dinnertime or face discipline. However, it was rare that there was just one of us roaming around without another kid. We'd hear stories of other kids having BB-gun battles, but we thought those kids were pretty stupid.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 21, 2015 14:10:23 GMT -5
On the contrary, your words are there for everyone to see. It's not my problem you won't accept responsibility for them. And we've all had the aboutwell experience before. You're beyond reason, and no one else here needs to be convinced of that fact. I'll send anyone who finds them a check for $100... if you'll send me one for $100 if they don't... deal?... Nah. I've seen you welsh on that offer too many times. As far as I can tell, you owe just about everyone here money.
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 21, 2015 19:02:16 GMT -5
Thanks so much for some great, common sense, comments, Cowboyz... and I bet you weren't roaming the neighborhood unsupervised at the age of 6-years... and I hope not even at the age of 10-years... (I don't even let my 12-year-old granddaughter do that)... a parent who really loves their children... and is responsible... doesn't let their small kids do that... and even keep a watchful eye out on the older ones... lest those kids grow up to be found roaming yours and some other neighborhood... looking for something to steal or other mischief they can get into... I can't speak for anyone else, but when I was a little kid, things were different. We hardly ever locked our doors; there were very few breakins or robberies (I don't think the term home invasion was invented yet). Just about all of us had BB guns, and we'd go on "hunting" trips. We ranged pretty far (a mile or more) and bagged quite a few starlings and sparrows. And we knew to be back home by lunchtime or dinnertime or face discipline. However, it was rare that there was just one of us roaming around without another kid. We'd hear stories of other kids having BB-gun battles, but we thought those kids were pretty stupid. Here's the thing though - by most accounts crime rates have generally been going down across the country. There are always exceptions for certain neighborhoods, but by and large, predators abducting children just aren't that common. And they're less common now than they were 30-40 years ago. Is there a possibility that something could happen to 'free range kids'? Sure. But the stats say children are more likely to be at risk from a parent than a stranger. Add in other relatives and family acquaintances, and they're MUCH safer playing unsupervised at a park than they are at home - again, with the understanding that it doesn't apply to some neighborhoods. For the overwhelming majority of abuse, exploitation and molestation cases, the perpetrator is someone the child knows well. That said, I would always recommend that children aren't left unsupervised at a park. But I'm more concerned with the kid falling off the monkey bars than being disappeared into the back of a windowless van. Either way though, I do not find lack of parental supervision cause to charge the parents with neglect. This is sort of like the whole truism that the most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to and from the airport. It's not that there are no risks to flying - it's just that when something goes wrong, it gets a lot of attention because accidents tend to be fatal and spectacular. Traffic accidents, on the other hand, happen so often that it's mundane. The whole 'stranger-danger' thing where a child molester grabs an unsupervised kid turns into the Elizabeth Smart case and makes national news - precisely because it is so unusual and plays to all of our instinctual fears. But parents that molest or beat their children are FAR more common, and frequently go un-reported (either to police or media) because the people who need to speak for the child either ARE the perpetrators, or don't believe the child.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 21, 2015 20:11:58 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone else, but when I was a little kid, things were different. We hardly ever locked our doors; there were very few breakins or robberies (I don't think the term home invasion was invented yet). Just about all of us had BB guns, and we'd go on "hunting" trips. We ranged pretty far (a mile or more) and bagged quite a few starlings and sparrows. And we knew to be back home by lunchtime or dinnertime or face discipline. However, it was rare that there was just one of us roaming around without another kid. We'd hear stories of other kids having BB-gun battles, but we thought those kids were pretty stupid. Here's the thing though - by most accounts crime rates have generally been going down across the country. There are always exceptions for certain neighborhoods, but by and large, predators abducting children just aren't that common. And they're less common now than they were 30-40 years ago. Is there a possibility that something could happen to 'free range kids'? Sure. But the stats say children are more likely to be at risk from a parent than a stranger. Add in other relatives and family acquaintances, and they're MUCH safer playing unsupervised at a park than they are at home - again, with the understanding that it doesn't apply to some neighborhoods. For the overwhelming majority of abuse, exploitation and molestation cases, the perpetrator is someone the child knows well. That said, I would always recommend that children aren't left unsupervised at a park. But I'm more concerned with the kid falling off the monkey bars than being disappeared into the back of a windowless van. Either way though, I do not find lack of parental supervision cause to charge the parents with neglect. This is sort of like the whole truism that the most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to and from the airport. It's not that there are no risks to flying - it's just that when something goes wrong, it gets a lot of attention because accidents tend to be fatal and spectacular. Traffic accidents, on the other hand, happen so often that it's mundane. The whole 'stranger-danger' thing where a child molester grabs an unsupervised kid turns into the Elizabeth Smart case and makes national news - precisely because it is so unusual and plays to all of our instinctual fears. But parents that molest or beat their children are FAR more common, and frequently go un-reported (either to police or media) because the people who need to speak for the child either ARE the perpetrators, or don't believe the child. Nobody here has said anything about an unsupervised child only being in danger due to a crime of some sort... a lot of things can happen to an unsupervised child that needs adult attention... an unattended child may not be reason enough to charge a parent with child neglect... unless that child is locked in a vehicle, and it's 90 degrees out... but it is cause to remind parents of their responsibility with regard to their own children's safety and well being...
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 21, 2015 20:18:45 GMT -5
Here's the thing though - by most accounts crime rates have generally been going down across the country. There are always exceptions for certain neighborhoods, but by and large, predators abducting children just aren't that common. And they're less common now than they were 30-40 years ago. Is there a possibility that something could happen to 'free range kids'? Sure. But the stats say children are more likely to be at risk from a parent than a stranger. Add in other relatives and family acquaintances, and they're MUCH safer playing unsupervised at a park than they are at home - again, with the understanding that it doesn't apply to some neighborhoods. For the overwhelming majority of abuse, exploitation and molestation cases, the perpetrator is someone the child knows well. That said, I would always recommend that children aren't left unsupervised at a park. But I'm more concerned with the kid falling off the monkey bars than being disappeared into the back of a windowless van. Either way though, I do not find lack of parental supervision cause to charge the parents with neglect. This is sort of like the whole truism that the most dangerous part of any flight is the drive to and from the airport. It's not that there are no risks to flying - it's just that when something goes wrong, it gets a lot of attention because accidents tend to be fatal and spectacular. Traffic accidents, on the other hand, happen so often that it's mundane. The whole 'stranger-danger' thing where a child molester grabs an unsupervised kid turns into the Elizabeth Smart case and makes national news - precisely because it is so unusual and plays to all of our instinctual fears. But parents that molest or beat their children are FAR more common, and frequently go un-reported (either to police or media) because the people who need to speak for the child either ARE the perpetrators, or don't believe the child. Nobody here has said anything about an unsupervised child only being in danger due to a crime of some sort... a lot of things can happen to an unsupervised child that needs adult attention... an unattended child may not be reason enough to charge a parent with child neglect... unless that child is locked in a vehicle, and it's 90 degrees out... but it is cause to remind parents of their responsibility with regard to their own children's safety and well being... I wasn't talking to you in that post. And honestly, I no longer care what you have to say on this subject. My hope is to have a conversation with someone capable of engaging in an intelligent discussion rather than just mindless ad hominems.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 21, 2015 20:19:05 GMT -5
Thanks so much for some great, common sense, comments, Cowboyz... and I bet you weren't roaming the neighborhood unsupervised at the age of 6-years... and I hope not even at the age of 10-years... (I don't even let my 12-year-old granddaughter do that)... a parent who really loves their children... and is responsible... doesn't let their small kids do that... and even keep a watchful eye out on the older ones... lest those kids grow up to be found roaming yours and some other neighborhood... looking for something to steal or other mischief they can get into... I can't speak for anyone else, but when I was a little kid, things were different. We hardly ever locked our doors; there were very few breakins or robberies (I don't think the term home invasion was invented yet). Just about all of us had BB guns, and we'd go on "hunting" trips. We ranged pretty far (a mile or more) and bagged quite a few starlings and sparrows. And we knew to be back home by lunchtime or dinnertime or face discipline. However, it was rare that there was just one of us roaming around without another kid. We'd hear stories of other kids having BB-gun battles, but we thought those kids were pretty stupid. We usually ranged less than a mile form home... we did tell mom in what general direction we were going and what we were going to be doing... but I had two brothers... and we had two neighbor boys who were most always with us... and another neighborhood male friend about our age... lot of trees, fishing holes, swim holes, hunting places, and hay barns... it was .7 mile to the nearest blacktop road... 1.5 mile to the nearest store... 10 miles to the nearest town...
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 21, 2015 20:20:17 GMT -5
Nobody here has said anything about an unsupervised child only being in danger due to a crime of some sort... a lot of things can happen to an unsupervised child that needs adult attention... an unattended child may not be reason enough to charge a parent with child neglect... unless that child is locked in a vehicle, and it's 90 degrees out... but it is cause to remind parents of their responsibility with regard to their own children's safety and well being... I wasn't talking to you in that post. And honestly, I no longer care what you have to say on this subject. My hope is to have a conversation with someone capable of engaging in an intelligent discussion rather than just mindless ad hominems. No, but Aponderer wasn't talking to you either when you responded to him... he was responding to me... and I was talking to you... whether you cared or not... you already lied about me here at least once... And one has to be intelligent to want an intelligent conversation... you may find that tough...
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 21, 2015 20:24:27 GMT -5
I wasn't talking to you in that post. And honestly, I no longer care what you have to say on this subject. No, but Aponderer wasn't talking to you either when you responded to him... he was responding to me... and I was talking to you... whether you cared or not... you already lied about me here at least once... Awww... Who wants to help me start a fund to get aboutwell some of this?
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 21, 2015 20:26:05 GMT -5
Speaking of ad hominems...
Seems to be YOU who may need the butt cream...
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Post by rocketwolf on Apr 21, 2015 22:17:01 GMT -5
No, but Aponderer wasn't talking to you either when you responded to him... he was responding to me... and I was talking to you... whether you cared or not... you already lied about me here at least once... Awww... Who wants to help me start a fund to get aboutwell some of this? Next time I find a penny on the rail road tracks Ill send it.
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Post by aponderer on Apr 21, 2015 23:37:00 GMT -5
I grew up next to the Pennsy's 4 tracks between Philly and DC that were powered by overhead electrical wires. The locomotives were those big GG1s. We'd put pennies on the tracks and they'd be squashed pretty flat (if we found them). Occasionally dimes, too. But nickels were another matter. When that big GG1 hit a nickel, it sent a shock into that locomotive. I often wondered what the engineers thought when they felt the shock. I don't believe we ever found a nickel that got run over. Maybe the hard nickels just broke up into little pieces.
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Post by kemmer on Apr 25, 2015 22:08:44 GMT -5
We should note that the only people messing with these kids were the police. We should note that we aren't talking about a 6-year-old, alone, but one accompanied by her brother.
IMO, now that ostensibly responsible news sources have all turned to tabloid-style reporting, there is much unnecessary fear in the general population. (Fear sells!) Studies have shown that people who watch a lot of television (including news) see the world as far more dangerous than it really is.
Somehow, we've decided all children are incompetent. I was nine the first time I got on a bus and went downtown without an adult. My companion was another fourth grader, also nine. Nobody thought that was strange. We attended a department store program for elementary school girls. No parents attended.
Now, let's roll that Columbine tape again...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Apr 25, 2015 22:34:21 GMT -5
I was ten when I took my first instruction in computers, at a local university. I had to ride three buses to get there. Strange agents on some of those buses. Never a problem.
I am amazed at the people who believe that if someone works for the government they are magically better at taking care of a problem than everyone else.
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Post by rocketwolf on Apr 26, 2015 7:29:06 GMT -5
I was ten when I took my first instruction in computers, at a local university. I had to ride three buses to get there. Strange agents on some of those buses. Never a problem. I am amazed at the people who believe that if someone works for the government they are magically better at taking care of a problem than everyone else. I was a country kid from age 5 or 6 I ran wild through several hundred acres of woods alone. Always showed up for lunch and then gone again until about 5. Later when the town had things I was interested in I rode a bike there to play with friends. I dont understand these government busybodies and thier defenders either other than its political or pot stirring on here
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Post by rocketwolf on Apr 26, 2015 7:33:24 GMT -5
We should note that the only people messing with these kids were the police. We should note that we aren't talking about a 6-year-old, alone, but one accompanied by her brother. IMO, now that ostensibly responsible news sources have all turned to tabloid-style reporting, there is much unnecessary fear in the general population. (Fear sells!) Studies have shown that people who watch a lot of television (including news) see the world as far more dangerous than it really is. Somehow, we've decided all children are incompetent. I was nine the first time I got on a bus and went downtown without an adult. My companion was another fourth grader, also nine. Nobody thought that was strange. We attended a department store program for elementary school girls. No parents attended. Now, let's roll that Columbine tape again... Glad you posted Kemmer it is always a treat to read your wise words. I have a list of people on here I would like to meet personally, you are #1 on that list.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 26, 2015 8:29:47 GMT -5
We should note that the only people messing with these kids were the police. We should note that we aren't talking about a 6-year-old, alone, but one accompanied by her brother. IMO, now that ostensibly responsible news sources have all turned to tabloid-style reporting, there is much unnecessary fear in the general population. (Fear sells!) Studies have shown that people who watch a lot of television (including news) see the world as far more dangerous than it really is. Somehow, we've decided all children are incompetent. I was nine the first time I got on a bus and went downtown without an adult. My companion was another fourth grader, also nine. Nobody thought that was strange. We attended a department store program for elementary school girls. No parents attended. Now, let's roll that Columbine tape again... Yeah, Kemmer... but that was over 50 years ago... times have changed since then... And the 6-year-old was accompanied by her brother... her 10-year-old brother... I'm not at all sure that a 10-year-old is ready to accept full responsibility for a 6-year-old... when ranging far from the home, I think BOTH should be accompanied by at least an older and responsible teen... or a responsible adult... mine sure would be... I do realize a lot of parents simply don't give a damn... and are just glad the kids are somewhere else...
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 26, 2015 8:38:36 GMT -5
I was ten when I took my first instruction in computers, at a local university. I had to ride three buses to get there. Strange agents on some of those buses. Never a problem. I am amazed at the people who believe that if someone works for the government they are magically better at taking care of a problem than everyone else. I was a country kid from age 5 or 6 I ran wild through several hundred acres of woods alone. Always showed up for lunch and then gone again until about 5. Later when the town had things I was interested in I rode a bike there to play with friends. I don't understand these government busybodies and their defenders either other than its political or pot stirring on here Sounds kinda like me... but I doubt I was doing that age the age of 6... and I was always with friends... I hope you were as well, or siblings... just in case you got hurt... and for you, that was over 60 years ago... and I'd think we are primarily talking more about non-rural areas... I always liked to know where my kids were... who they were playing with... and that they were safe... now I feel the same about my grand-kids... We had four teenagers killed in the same car accident here just as few weeks ago... going somewhere and doing something they were not supposed to be doing...
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Post by aponderer on Apr 26, 2015 9:32:27 GMT -5
I was a country kid from age 5 or 6 I ran wild through several hundred acres of woods alone. Always showed up for lunch and then gone again until about 5. Later when the town had things I was interested in I rode a bike there to play with friends. I don't understand these government busybodies and their defenders either other than its political or pot stirring on here Sounds kinda like me... but I doubt I was doing that age the age of 6... and I was always with friends... I hope you were as well, or siblings... just in case you got hurt... and for you, that was over 60 years ago... and I'd think we are primarily talking more about non-rural areas... I always liked to know where my kids were... who they were playing with... and that they were safe... now I feel the same about my grand-kids... We had four teenagers killed in the same car accident here just as few weeks ago... going somewhere and doing something they were not supposed to be doing... We had that sort of thing 55 years ago, too. One of my classmates was nearly killed as a passenger in a car that wrecked entering a curve going too fast. It killed the driver. Even before that accident, that curve had a name: "dead man's curve"...
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 26, 2015 9:36:50 GMT -5
We've got a "dead man's curve" too... and these four teens were killed on "thrill hill"...
Those things happen with older "kids"... train 'em up in the way they should go...
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Post by Cowboyz on Apr 27, 2015 8:39:14 GMT -5
Thanks so much for some great, common sense, comments, Cowboyz... and I bet you weren't roaming the neighborhood unsupervised at the age of 6-years... and I hope not even at the age of 10-years... (I don't even let my 12-year-old granddaughter do that)... a parent who really loves their children... and is responsible... doesn't let their small kids do that... and even keep a watchful eye out on the older ones... lest those kids grow up to be found roaming yours and some other neighborhood... looking for something to steal or other mischief they can get into... At 6 years old I'm sure I wasn't but I did have older siblings so sometimes I would walk to school or practices with them. At 10 years old I was allowed freedom to walk around our neighborhood with friends but like I said it was a different time. Sometimes we even played flash light tag well after the street lights came on. My parents always knew where I was and my parents were friends with all of my friends parents. I wasn't quite as lenient with my kids. At 10 years old they were allowed to ride their bikes to go to friends houses in the neighborhood without my watchful eye and they always had to call when they got to their destination. I would not allow them to go to the beach or a park without us, not only did I worry about creeps I worried about other kids because of lack of parenting and who know what mischief they would get into. I allowed them more freedom when they were 13 yrs old.
I wouldn't assume these parents don't love their kids, I believe they are living in a fantasy world. I think they are irresponsible and willing to take a horrible risk with possible tragic results. I'm not sure why people would be willing to take that risk.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 27, 2015 10:06:11 GMT -5
Thanks so much for some great, common sense, comments, Cowboyz... and I bet you weren't roaming the neighborhood unsupervised at the age of 6-years... and I hope not even at the age of 10-years... (I don't even let my 12-year-old granddaughter do that)... a parent who really loves their children... and is responsible... doesn't let their small kids do that... and even keep a watchful eye out on the older ones... lest those kids grow up to be found roaming yours and some other neighborhood... looking for something to steal or other mischief they can get into... At 6 years old I'm sure I wasn't but I did have older siblings so sometimes I would walk to school or practices with them. At 10 years old I was allowed freedom to walk around our neighborhood with friends but like I said it was a different time. Sometimes we even played flash light tag well after the street lights came on. My parents always knew where I was and my parents were friends with all of my friends parents. I wasn't quite as lenient with my kids. At 10 years old they were allowed to ride their bikes to go to friends houses in the neighborhood without my watchful eye and they always had to call when they got to their destination. I would not allow them to go to the beach or a park without us, not only did I worry about creeps I worried about other kids because of lack of parenting and who know what mischief they would get into. I allowed them more freedom when they were 13 yrs old.
I wouldn't assume these parents don't love their kids, I believe they are living in a fantasy world. I think they are irresponsible and willing to take a horrible risk with possible tragic results. I'm not sure why people would be willing to take that risk.
More of what we here in the South call good ole common horse sense, Cowboyz... you sound a lot like me... but some here actually think it's safer today than it was back at the time to which you refer and I remember... it is not... Thank you so much... P.S. I caught my 8-year-old granddaughter next door at the neighbors yesterday with her little 9-year-old friend... they were smoking... I got on to both of them about smoking but realize it isn't the end of the world... (I did it too)... what concerned me most was that she looked me right in the eye and LIED to me about it... sneaking around smoking, I can deal with... lying pisses me off...
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