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Post by redleg on Apr 27, 2015 10:19:27 GMT -5
We should note that the only people messing with these kids were the police. We should note that we aren't talking about a 6-year-old, alone, but one accompanied by her brother. IMO, now that ostensibly responsible news sources have all turned to tabloid-style reporting, there is much unnecessary fear in the general population. (Fear sells!) Studies have shown that people who watch a lot of television (including news) see the world as far more dangerous than it really is. Somehow, we've decided all children are incompetent. I was nine the first time I got on a bus and went downtown without an adult. My companion was another fourth grader, also nine. Nobody thought that was strange. We attended a department store program for elementary school girls. No parents attended. Now, let's roll that Columbine tape again... Yeah, Kemmer... but that was over 50 years ago... times have changed since then... And the 6-year-old was accompanied by her brother... her 10-year-old brother... I'm not at all sure that a 10-year-old is ready to accept full responsibility for a 6-year-old... when ranging far from the home, I think BOTH should be accompanied by at least an older and responsible teen... or a responsible adult... mine sure would be... I do realize a lot of parents simply don't give a damn... and are just glad the kids are somewhere else... Yes, they have. The perverts have taken over the society, criminals are let off with a slap on the wrist, and the government has decided that it's the parent, the actual parents are simply surrogates, only there at the sufferance of the government. And yet, crime is down, in most areas over 70%.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 27, 2015 10:26:40 GMT -5
Yeah, Kemmer... but that was over 50 years ago... times have changed since then... And the 6-year-old was accompanied by her brother... her 10-year-old brother... I'm not at all sure that a 10-year-old is ready to accept full responsibility for a 6-year-old... when ranging far from the home, I think BOTH should be accompanied by at least an older and responsible teen... or a responsible adult... mine sure would be... I do realize a lot of parents simply don't give a damn... and are just glad the kids are somewhere else... Yes, they have. The perverts have taken over the society, criminals are let off with a slap on the wrist, and the government has decided that it's the parent, the actual parents are simply surrogates, only there at the sufferance of the government. And yet, crime is down, in most areas over 70%. A lot of it IS the parents, Redleg... they don't teach their kids respect and responsibility anymore... they just want to get them out of sight and out of their hair so they can watch TV, listen to their music, or spend "quality" time on Facebook... shame on them for not being more involved with their kids... and grand kids... letting them rear themselves... and leaving their "teachable moments" up to their friends and peers... That, from someone who identifies with the Democrats... of course the Republican kids are perfect and do no wrong... I have more problems with those kind of kids than any other... get e'm away from Mom and Dad, and they go hog wild and crazy...
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Post by redleg on Apr 27, 2015 10:29:27 GMT -5
Yes, they have. The perverts have taken over the society, criminals are let off with a slap on the wrist, and the government has decided that it's the parent, the actual parents are simply surrogates, only there at the sufferance of the government. And yet, crime is down, in most areas over 70%. A lot of it IS the parents, Redleg... they don't teach their kids respect and responsibility anymore... they just want to get them out of sight and out of their hair so they can watch TV, listen to their music, or spend "quality" time on Facebook... shame on them for not being more involved with their kids... and grand kids... letting them rear themselves... and leaving their "teachable moments" up to their friends and peers... That, from someone who identifies with the Democrats... of course the Republican kids are perfect and do no wrong... I have more problems with those kind of kids than any other... get e'm away from Mom and Dad, and they go hog wild and crazy... I wonder why not? After 2 or 3 generations of Liberal (Democrat) indoctrination in 'entitlement' mentality, "if it feels good, do it", and "you didn't build that, so we own it", how in the world could parents be reticent in teaching principles?
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 27, 2015 10:43:48 GMT -5
A lot of it IS the parents, Redleg... they don't teach their kids respect and responsibility anymore... they just want to get them out of sight and out of their hair so they can watch TV, listen to their music, or spend "quality" time on Facebook... shame on them for not being more involved with their kids... and grand kids... letting them rear themselves... and leaving their "teachable moments" up to their friends and peers... That, from someone who identifies with the Democrats... of course the Republican kids are perfect and do no wrong... I have more problems with those kind of kids than any other... get e'm away from Mom and Dad, and they go hog wild and crazy... I wonder why not? After 2 or 3 generations of Liberal (Democrat) indoctrination in 'entitlement' mentality, "if it feels good, do it", and "you didn't build that, so we own it", how in the world could parents be reticent in teaching principles? I'm a damn good example that you are wrong... I'm more "conservative" than you'd ever believe... and I lean Democrat...
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Post by aponderer on Apr 27, 2015 10:50:12 GMT -5
Saying that one is more conservative is not saying that one is conservative... Given two liberal Democrats, if one is not as liberal as the other, that one is more conservative than the more liberal one. Kinda like "-2" is greater than "-3."
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 27, 2015 12:32:23 GMT -5
Saying that one is more conservative is not saying that one is conservative... Given two liberal Democrats, if one is not as liberal as the other, that one is more conservative than the more liberal one. Kinda like "-2" is greater than "-3." Agreed... I'm more conservative than my wife... and she used to vote Republican... but I'm a '48 model... she's a '55 model and might as well have been reared by grandparents... she was born to much older parents than I was...
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Post by Cowboyz on Apr 27, 2015 13:11:33 GMT -5
At 6 years old I'm sure I wasn't but I did have older siblings so sometimes I would walk to school or practices with them. At 10 years old I was allowed freedom to walk around our neighborhood with friends but like I said it was a different time. Sometimes we even played flash light tag well after the street lights came on. My parents always knew where I was and my parents were friends with all of my friends parents. I wasn't quite as lenient with my kids. At 10 years old they were allowed to ride their bikes to go to friends houses in the neighborhood without my watchful eye and they always had to call when they got to their destination. I would not allow them to go to the beach or a park without us, not only did I worry about creeps I worried about other kids because of lack of parenting and who know what mischief they would get into. I allowed them more freedom when they were 13 yrs old.
I wouldn't assume these parents don't love their kids, I believe they are living in a fantasy world. I think they are irresponsible and willing to take a horrible risk with possible tragic results. I'm not sure why people would be willing to take that risk.
More of what we here in the South call good ole common horse sense, Cowboyz... you sound a lot like me... but some here actually think it's safer today than it was back at the time to which you refer and I remember... it is not... Thank you so much... P.S. I caught my 8-year-old granddaughter next door at the neighbors yesterday with her little 9-year-old friend... they were smoking... I got on to both of them about smoking but realize it isn't the end of the world... (I did it too)... what concerned me most was that she looked me right in the eye and LIED to me about it... sneaking around smoking, I can deal with... lying pisses me off... Lying is a pet peeve of mine but I think most kids will tell lies hoping to not get in trouble! Smoking at 8yrs old? Whoa!!
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 27, 2015 13:17:09 GMT -5
More of what we here in the South call good ole common horse sense, Cowboyz... you sound a lot like me... but some here actually think it's safer today than it was back at the time to which you refer and I remember... it is not... Thank you so much... P.S. I caught my 8-year-old granddaughter next door at the neighbors yesterday with her little 9-year-old friend... they were smoking... I got on to both of them about smoking but realize it isn't the end of the world... (I did it too)... what concerned me most was that she looked me right in the eye and LIED to me about it... sneaking around smoking, I can deal with... lying pisses me off... Lying is a pet peeve of mine but I think most kids will tell lies hoping to not get in trouble! Smoking at 8yrs old? Whoa!!
I agree... we don't smoke here... she does live here... both her parents smoke... can't remember when I tried it as a kid... but I tried it before my dad passed away when I was 13... smoked many a rabbit tobacco rolled up in a newspaper... and a real one every now and then... never lied about it when I got caught... I'd have gotten two whippins'...
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Post by aponderer on Apr 27, 2015 14:15:49 GMT -5
Saying that one is more conservative is not saying that one is conservative... Given two liberal Democrats, if one is not as liberal as the other, that one is more conservative than the more liberal one. Kinda like "-2" is greater than "-3." Agreed... I'm more conservative than my wife... and she used to vote Republican... but I'm a '48 model... she's a '55 model and might as well have been reared by grandparents... she was born to much older parents than I was... parents that treated her like a grandchild... which has been a problem for us as you might imagine... I'm gonna delete that last portion after you have read it Aponderer... (TMI for folks like RW and RJ to digest)... let me know... I just now saw your post, and I think you may have already deleted that last part. If so, how about including it in a PM?
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Post by aponderer on Apr 27, 2015 14:20:26 GMT -5
More of what we here in the South call good ole common horse sense, Cowboyz... you sound a lot like me... but some here actually think it's safer today than it was back at the time to which you refer and I remember... it is not... Thank you so much... P.S. I caught my 8-year-old granddaughter next door at the neighbors yesterday with her little 9-year-old friend... they were smoking... I got on to both of them about smoking but realize it isn't the end of the world... (I did it too)... what concerned me most was that she looked me right in the eye and LIED to me about it... sneaking around smoking, I can deal with... lying pisses me off... Lying is a pet peeve of mine but I think most kids will tell lies hoping to not get in trouble! Smoking at 8yrs old? Whoa!!
When I was a kid, my dad always said that when someone lies, sooner or later, that someone will have to tell two lies to cover up the first one. And then two more for each of the second two, and so on...
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 27, 2015 15:45:14 GMT -5
Agreed... I'm more conservative than my wife... and she used to vote Republican... but I'm a '48 model... she's a '55 model and might as well have been reared by grandparents... she was born to much older parents than I was... I just now saw your post, and I think you may have already deleted that last part. If so, how about including it in a PM? Nope... it's still there... and since you quoted me, there's no need to delete that portion unless you delete your comments with regard to it... (I deleted it in this post so you'll know to what comments I was referring)
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 27, 2015 15:49:14 GMT -5
Lying is a pet peeve of mine but I think most kids will tell lies hoping to not get in trouble! Smoking at 8yrs old? Whoa!!
When I was a kid, my dad always said that when someone lies, sooner or later, that someone will have to tell two lies to cover up the first one. And then two more for each of the second two, and so on... Which is why one of my favorite sayings is: "Always tell the truth and you'll never have to wonder what you said."
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Post by Ranger John on Apr 27, 2015 17:02:17 GMT -5
Lying is a pet peeve of mine but I think most kids will tell lies hoping to not get in trouble! Smoking at 8yrs old? Whoa!!
When I was a kid, my dad always said that when someone lies, sooner or later, that someone will have to tell two lies to cover up the first one. And then two more for each of the second two, and so on... Unless you're a liberal. Then you just insist the lie is the truth until no one takes you seriously anymore.
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Post by aboutwell on Apr 28, 2015 0:08:52 GMT -5
When I was a kid, my dad always said that when someone lies, sooner or later, that someone will have to tell two lies to cover up the first one. And then two more for each of the second two, and so on... Unless you're a liberal. Then you just insist the lie is the truth until no one takes you seriously anymore. And then when they don't take you serious anymore... you just write 'em off as useless and ignorant... just keep telling the truth... and move on... they aren't worth spending much time on...
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