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Post by aboutwell on Aug 2, 2015 12:40:36 GMT -5
My earlier assessment of the ACRU as a collection of hypocrites was meant to call their motives into question. Usually when conservatives want voter rolls purged what they really mean is "of Democratic voters". Look, we all know convicted felons, the dead, and people who've moved away all vote heavily for Democrats. But it doesn't mean they're eligible to vote for anyone. No, we don't know that... you only opine that... such an opinion is ridiculous to say the least...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 2, 2015 15:47:57 GMT -5
My earlier assessment of the ACRU as a collection of hypocrites was meant to call their motives into question. Usually when conservatives want voter rolls purged what they really mean is "of Democratic voters". Look, we all know convicted felons, the dead, and people who've moved away all vote heavily for Democrats. But it doesn't mean they're eligible to vote for anyone. Sure, as far as you've been told. Democrats also vote for Democrats, and the Pubs are looking to put a stop to that, too.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 2, 2015 16:11:47 GMT -5
Look, we all know convicted felons, the dead, and people who've moved away all vote heavily for Democrats. But it doesn't mean they're eligible to vote for anyone. Sure, as far as you've been told. Democrats also vote for Democrats, and the Pubs are looking to put a stop to that, too. You haven't even been told that. No one has ever suggested removing people from the rolls except those who are no longer eligible to vote in that jurisdiction. Or don't you think these rolls need to be maintained? You know... like every other friggin database?
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 2, 2015 22:10:07 GMT -5
Sure, as far as you've been told. Democrats also vote for Democrats, and the Pubs are looking to put a stop to that, too. You haven't even been told that. No one has ever suggested removing people from the rolls except those who are no longer eligible to vote in that jurisdiction. Or don't you think these rolls need to be maintained? You know... like every other friggin database? Many voters have been told that... when you drive through a community filled with senior citizens... and announce over a loud speaker on your vehicle that only Republicans will be allowed to vote on Tuesday, the real election day, and only Democrats will be allowed to vote on Wednesday, when no elections are being held... somebody is trying to get Democrats NOT to be able to vote... and don't tell me this hasn't happened... I heard callers to right-wing radio shows in 2008 talking about all the fun they were having and laughing at their success...
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Post by aponderer on Aug 3, 2015 0:39:25 GMT -5
You haven't even been told that. No one has ever suggested removing people from the rolls except those who are no longer eligible to vote in that jurisdiction. Or don't you think these rolls need to be maintained? You know... like every other friggin database? Many voters have been told that... when you drive through a community filled with senior citizens... and announce over a loud speaker on your vehicle that only Republicans will be allowed to vote on Tuesday, the real election day, and only Democrats will be allowed to vote on Wednesday, when no elections are being held... somebody is trying to get Democrats NOT to be able to vote... and don't tell me this hasn't happened... I heard callers to right-wing radio shows in 2008 talking about all the fun they were having and laughing at their success... Don't believe everything you hear on a radio talk show... Or on TV... BTW, I think you misheard... Wednesday was the day for people voting in place of a dead person...
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Post by redleg on Aug 3, 2015 9:34:59 GMT -5
The Pubs have a lot of dummies in their party, too. Think flyover state poor, who are somehow Republicans despite the fact their self-interest should put them squarely in the Democratic camp. The Dems, as far as I can tell, have refrained from attempting to disenfranchise them by trickery. You are right... the older and more uneducated Republicans... (which are the primary targets of such efforts... and of which there are many here in Mississippi)... not only "can," but "are," duped just like the Democrats... it's just primarily a tactic used more so by the Republicans... because they have a problem winning being honest and right up front... Really? Is that why Democrats file spurious legal charges against any Pub that is seen as a threat? Like against Perry? Or flood Pub precincts with illegal Democrats, so that the legal voters are overwhelmed?
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Post by redleg on Aug 3, 2015 9:37:36 GMT -5
The only people who's self-interest puts them in the Democrat camp are the identity politics fanatics, watermelons (green on the outside and red on the inside) and people who love abortion so much that they support unquestioned, taxpayer-funded, abortion on demand for underage illegal immigrants. Everyone else is a natural Republican. People thrown out of work by circumstances beyond their control. People who are disabled. The poor. These are the natural enemies of Republicans. That doesn't necessary mean they're the natural friends of Democrats. It does mean that when one party's policies (and let's fact it, the Republicans are about helping corporations and the wealthy) aren't helping you, the other party is where you look next. No, they are the natural constituency of Pubs. Otherwise, they are simply serfs, unable to survive without the forced confiscation of someone else' labor to keep them alive. With today's Democrat created recession, those that are out of work should be sharpening the pitchforks and lighting the torches to run every Democrat in any position of power out of town.
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Post by redleg on Aug 3, 2015 9:42:06 GMT -5
This is completely wrong, and entirely misunderstands the purpose of government, which is to provide basic protections, not try to wipe out poverty. Wiping out poverty is an impossible task, and one that the government has done very badly. To the point where they've made the situation much, much worse by creating a dependent class. This rebuttal covers one of the three groups I cited off the top of my head. And it's your opinion. Other enemies of Republicans include those who like safe products, those who like environmentally responsible stewardship, and those who believe the chief purpose of capitalism is not to help the wealthiest pick everyone else's pockets.No, Democrats think that is the express purpose of government. As for your first 2 diatribes, what, exactly, has the Party of the KKK done to achieve either? We now have an FDA that is more concerned with 'fat' children than safety of products, and your "environmentally responsible stewardship" is currently burning the state of California to the ground, frying millions of birds that are stupid enough to fly into the convergence of mirrors, and bankrupting the only reliable source of energy the country has. What do you think your Party of the KKK would do if the power companies that The Puppet is trying to destroy simply decided to cut off all power to every city where those Communist agitators resided?
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Post by redleg on Aug 3, 2015 9:43:13 GMT -5
Why shouldn't voter registration be "onerous'? We have Democrats flooding the country with illegal Democrats, and one has to basically prove NAZI purity law regulations to buy a firearm. Why is the right to vote so much more sacrosanct than the right to own a firearm? Or freedom of religion? Both of which Democrats find obnoxious, and so ignore. I suggest you talk to the election authorities about creating some kind of test. I'm sure they're waiting for your suggesting with bated breath. The only "test" I suggest is the ability to acquire a valid ID. I'm sure, though, given the average IQ of the Democrat party, most of their voters would fail.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 3, 2015 14:25:56 GMT -5
Many voters have been told that... when you drive through a community filled with senior citizens... and announce over a loud speaker on your vehicle that only Republicans will be allowed to vote on Tuesday, the real election day, and only Democrats will be allowed to vote on Wednesday, when no elections are being held... somebody is trying to get Democrats NOT to be able to vote... and don't tell me this hasn't happened... I heard callers to right-wing radio shows in 2008 talking about all the fun they were having and laughing at their success... Don't believe everything you hear on a radio talk show... Or on TV... BTW, I think you misheard... Wednesday was the day for people voting in place of a dead person... I don't... especially on right-wing radio or TV... but I believe that was true...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 3, 2015 14:29:43 GMT -5
I suggest you talk to the election authorities about creating some kind of test. I'm sure they're waiting for your suggesting with bated breath. The only "test" I suggest is the ability to acquire a valid ID. I'm sure, though, given the average IQ of the Democrat party, most of their voters would fail. Assuming you are referring to a voter ID, such a test would be unconstitutional...
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Post by redleg on Aug 3, 2015 21:30:04 GMT -5
The only "test" I suggest is the ability to acquire a valid ID. I'm sure, though, given the average IQ of the Democrat party, most of their voters would fail. Assuming you are referring to a voter ID, such a test would be constitutional... Really? Then how is it Constitutional to have to have a background check to buy a firearm? Or board a plane? Or even go into a government building?
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 3, 2015 22:49:20 GMT -5
Assuming you are referring to a voter ID, such a test would be constitutional... Really? Then how is it Constitutional to have to have a background check to buy a firearm? Or board a plane? Or even go into a government building? We're not talking about buying a firearm... boarding a plane... or going into a government building...
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Post by freddfish on Aug 4, 2015 7:51:07 GMT -5
Way to shoot the messenger, EY. Do you really believe the counties are properly maintaing their voter rolls? Or do you need to hear it from a liberal organization before you'll believe there's a problem? Some messengers deserve to be shot. I'm sure that there are all kinds of problems. In liberal controlled areas the voter registration is massaged to favor them; in conservative controlled areas the reverse is true. Unlike you and redleg, who appear to believe that there is no corruption on the right, I believe there's plenty to go around. Does it balance out? Who knows? I have read studies suggesting that voter fraud is not the problem conservatives claim it is. If those studies are accurate, it would suggest that the use of dead voters is the Democrat approach to rigging the game, while the disenfranchisement of live ones (through onerous qualification requirements) is the Republican approach. Frankly, I don't care WHO is rigging it, or who is telling me about issues with voter fraud. Every vote should count, and the voter rolls should be closely examined (and voters need to show ID at the polls) in order to keep our elections honest. It needs to be done...and it doesn't matter who says so.
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Post by redleg on Aug 4, 2015 8:00:47 GMT -5
Really? Then how is it Constitutional to have to have a background check to buy a firearm? Or board a plane? Or even go into a government building? We're not talking about buying a firearm... boarding a plane... or going into a government building... No, we aren't. You did mention that requiring someone to have an ID to register to vote would be "unConstitutional", yet you can't show how that is unConstitutional, but the other instances aren't. The argument that having to prove who you are to vote is somehow "unConstitutional" is strictly a Democrat demand to allow illegals, felons, and mulitple votes, because that's how they "win" elections. For the same reason, Democrats insist that there is no voter fraud, and shut down any and all investigations that would show how much there is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 8:02:56 GMT -5
Really? Then how is it Constitutional to have to have a background check to buy a firearm? Or board a plane? Or even go into a government building? We're not talking about buying a firearm... boarding a plane... or going into a government building... We'll not talking about beer either but it doesn't seem right that it requires less identification to vote than to buy beer.
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Post by freddfish on Aug 4, 2015 8:14:27 GMT -5
We're not talking about buying a firearm... boarding a plane... or going into a government building... We'll not talking about beer either but it doesn't seem right that it requires less identification to vote than to buy beer. Best post of the thread....
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Post by rentedmule on Aug 4, 2015 8:59:15 GMT -5
I may need some serious education and tutoring, but where does the Constitution instruct us on the process and methodology of casting votes?
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Post by redleg on Aug 4, 2015 9:01:14 GMT -5
I may need some serious education and tutoring, but where does the Constitution instruct us on the process and methodology of casting votes? It doesn't. This is another "interpretation" of the Constitution. Whenever Democrats lose their base, they 'reinterpret' the Constitution to allow them to rebuild it, either through subterfuge, chicanery, or outright crime.
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Post by rentedmule on Aug 4, 2015 9:20:25 GMT -5
I must remind folks that the "disenfranchisement" of Blacks using voter qualifications was a Democrat ploy for many decades. The South is quite different now and is the destination for the urban Black migration. Leaving the Northern urban enclaves for those nasty red states. Go figure?
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Post by rocketwolf on Aug 4, 2015 10:05:12 GMT -5
Look, we all know convicted felons, the dead, and people who've moved away all vote heavily for Democrats. But it doesn't mean they're eligible to vote for anyone. Sure, as far as you've been told. Democrats also vote for Democrats, and the Pubs are looking to put a stop to that, too. AND CONVERSLY Repubs vote for Repubs, and the Demos are looking to put a stop to that, too Maryland is a classic case of Demos gerrymandering Repubs out of office.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 4, 2015 12:05:59 GMT -5
AND CONVERSLY Repubs vote for Repubs, and the Demos are looking to put a stop to that, too Maryland is a classic case of Demos gerrymandering Repubs out of office. I've commented about my objection to gerrymandering in the past. Although it's worth noting that this is done by both parties, and it's got a lot to do with why Texas sends a lot of Pubs to Congress. Non-partisan committees made up of people from other states are likely the answer. Equal portions of Republicans and Democrats, and let's even have some of the other parties participate in proportion to their numbers. No politicians. But states love to control this kind of thing and they will never give that up.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 4, 2015 12:37:32 GMT -5
We're not talking about buying a firearm... boarding a plane... or going into a government building... No, we aren't. You did mention that requiring someone to have an ID to register to vote would be "unConstitutional", yet you can't show how that is unConstitutional, but the other instances aren't. The argument that having to prove who you are to vote is somehow "unConstitutional" is strictly a Democrat demand to allow illegals, felons, and mulitple votes, because that's how they "win" elections. For the same reason, Democrats insist that there is no voter fraud, and shut down any and all investigations that would show how much there is. No, I didn't say that... I said: (and I edited it... it should have been unconstitutional)... "Assuming you are referring to a voter ID, such a test would be unconstitutional..."But you, being the Constitutional scholar that you are, should know that it can be shown that such a test (or poll tax) is unconstitutional...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 4, 2015 12:39:55 GMT -5
We're not talking about buying a firearm... boarding a plane... or going into a government building... We'll not talking about beer either but it doesn't seem right that it requires less identification to vote than to buy beer. No, we're not... but as I pointed out to Redleg... I said such a test... that HE mentioned... would be unconstitutional... and it would...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 4, 2015 12:40:50 GMT -5
We'll not talking about beer either but it doesn't seem right that it requires less identification to vote than to buy beer. Best post of the thread.... And a fact that nobody questioned...
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