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Post by aponderer on Jul 30, 2015 12:25:39 GMT -5
The American Civil Rights Union is taking counties to task over voter registration "problems" such as voter registration rolls having more names than actual eligible voters. See story here. Voting rights issues addressed by the ACRU |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 30, 2015 14:30:58 GMT -5
They're outraged by the ACLU but perfectly happy to ride its coattails to relevance if they can. I wonder how long it took them to come up with a name that swapped the "L" for an "R"?
Shabby, sad people.
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Post by aponderer on Jul 30, 2015 23:54:34 GMT -5
What's your solution to "dirty voter rolls?"
Are you not in favor of enforcing the Voting Rights Act?
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 0:10:53 GMT -5
The problem seems to be as follows: "This strongly indicates the county has failed to purge the names of people who had died, moved away or been convicted of disenfranchising felonies." It doesn't necessarily mean that more people voted than were supposed to be eligible to vote... or that there was any voter fraud... only that the voter registration rolls hadn't been purged in some time... Rocketwolf is gonna love this: My brother lives and votes in Clarke County, Mississippi...  |
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Post by aponderer on Jul 31, 2015 7:59:32 GMT -5
The problem seems to be as follows: " This strongly indicates the county has failed to purge the names of people who had died, moved away or been convicted of disenfranchising felonies." It doesn't mean that more people voted than were supposed to be eligible to vote... oe tht there was any voter fraud... only that the voter registration rolls hadn't been purged in some time... Rocketwolf is gonna love this: My brother lives and votes in Clarke County, Mississippi... But that's not the only reason for "dirty voter rolls." Some people are registered to vote in more than one state... And do you honestly believe that "dead" people don't vote? |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 31, 2015 8:19:50 GMT -5
They're outraged by the ACLU but perfectly happy to ride its coattails to relevance if they can. I wonder how long it took them to come up with a name that swapped the "L" for an "R"? Shabby, sad people. Way to shoot the messenger, EY. Do you really believe the counties are properly maintaing their voter rolls? Or do you need to hear it from a liberal organization before you'll believe there's a problem? |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 31, 2015 11:27:55 GMT -5
Way to shoot the messenger, EY. Do you really believe the counties are properly maintaing their voter rolls? Or do you need to hear it from a liberal organization before you'll believe there's a problem? Some messengers deserve to be shot.  I'm sure that there are all kinds of problems. In liberal controlled areas the voter registration is massaged to favor them; in conservative controlled areas the reverse is true. Unlike you and redleg, who appear to believe that there is no corruption on the right, I believe there's plenty to go around. Does it balance out? Who knows? I have read studies suggesting that voter fraud is not the problem conservatives claim it is. If those studies are accurate, it would suggest that the use of dead voters is the Democrat approach to rigging the game, while the disenfranchisement of live ones (through onerous qualification requirements) is the Republican approach. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 11:47:48 GMT -5
The problem seems to be as follows: " This strongly indicates the county has failed to purge the names of people who had died, moved away or been convicted of disenfranchising felonies." It doesn't mean that more people voted than were supposed to be eligible to vote... oe tht there was any voter fraud... only that the voter registration rolls hadn't been purged in some time... Rocketwolf is gonna love this: My brother lives and votes in Clarke County, Mississippi... But that's not the only reason for "dirty voter rolls." Some people are registered to vote in more than one state... And do you honestly believe that "dead" people don't vote?I understand that, but the lack of purging the voter rolls regularly is one of, if not the primary, reasons for this kind of thing... And I not only believe dead people don't vote, I can guarantee it... no dead person has EVER actually voted at the polls... the only people who vote dead are those who die for some reason after casting an absentee ballot prior to election day... otherwise some live person votes in their name... Delbert said as much in the article you linked... and yes, I do know Delbert personally, Rocketwolf... Personally, I would suggest NO ABSENTEE VOTING... you can't be there on election day... tough... many people can't get to the polls on election day for a variety of reasons... |
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Post by Ranger John on Jul 31, 2015 11:55:45 GMT -5
Way to shoot the messenger, EY. Do you really believe the counties are properly maintaing their voter rolls? Or do you need to hear it from a liberal organization before you'll believe there's a problem? Some messengers deserve to be shot. I'm sure that there are all kinds of problems. In liberal controlled areas the voter registration is massaged to favor them; in conservative controlled areas the reverse is true. Unlike you and redleg, who appear to believe that there is no corruption on the right, I believe there's plenty to go around. Does it balance out? Who knows? I have read studies suggesting that voter fraud is not the problem conservatives claim it is. If those studies are accurate, it would suggest that the use of dead voters is the Democrat approach to rigging the game, while the disenfranchisement of live ones (through onerous qualification requirements) is the Republican approach. Who knew Mississippi was controlled by Democrats? Or that presenting ID to vote was an onerous qualification? I mean, most of the rest of the world where voting happens, people have to show ID. The things I learn chatting with you. Lmao. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:05:36 GMT -5
They're outraged by the ACLU but perfectly happy to ride its coattails to relevance if they can. I wonder how long it took them to come up with a name that swapped the "L" for an "R"? Shabby, sad people. Way to shoot the messenger, EY. Do you really believe the counties are properly maintaining their voter rolls? Or do you need to hear it from a liberal organization before you'll believe there's a problem? Clarke is a very rural county here... the biggest city there, Quitman, near where my brother lives, boasts a population of just over 2,300 residents... the next biggest, Enterprise, boasts just over 500... the county is 65% White, so you can't blame all the fraud on racial fraud... which may be one reason the ACRU is going after it... With almost 700 square miles... about 26 persons per square mile... and likely a short staff in the circuit clerk's office, I'm bettin' it's tough to keep the voter rolls up to date... but it should be done... |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:07:48 GMT -5
Way to shoot the messenger, EY. Do you really believe the counties are properly maintaing their voter rolls? Or do you need to hear it from a liberal organization before you'll believe there's a problem? Some messengers deserve to be shot. I'm sure that there are all kinds of problems. In liberal controlled areas the voter registration is massaged to favor them; in conservative controlled areas the reverse is true. Unlike you and redleg, who appear to believe that there is no corruption on the right, I believe there's plenty to go around. Does it balance out? Who knows? I have read studies suggesting that voter fraud is not the problem conservatives claim it is. If those studies are accurate, it would suggest that the use of dead voters is the Democrat approach to rigging the game, while the disenfranchisement of live ones (through onerous qualification requirements) is the Republican approach. Clarke County, Mississippi is solid Republican... 90% rural... and 65% White... |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:24:32 GMT -5
The problem seems to be as follows: "This strongly indicates the county has failed to purge the names of people who have died, moved away or have been convicted of disenfranchising crimes."d died, moved away or been convicted of disenfranchising felonies."It doesn't necessarily mean that more people voted than were supposed to be eligible to vote... oe tht there was any voter fraud... only that the voter registration rolls hadn't been purged in some time... Rocketwolf is gonna love this: My brother lives and votes in Clarke County, Mississippi... I have no clue as to what happened to this post... I tried three time to correct it but it just won't work properly... what I was saying was that the article pointed out that the cause may be that voter rolls had not been properly purged regularly... |
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Post by aponderer on Jul 31, 2015 12:24:59 GMT -5
But that's not the only reason for "dirty voter rolls." Some people are registered to vote in more than one state... And do you honestly believe that "dead" people don't vote?I understand that, but the lack of purging the voter rolls regularly is one of, if not the primary, reasons for this kind of thing... And I not only believe dead people don't vote, I can guarantee it... no dead person has EVER actually voted at the polls... the only people who vote dead are those who die for some reason after casting an absentee ballot prior to election day... otherwise some live person votes in their name...
Delbert said as much in the article you linked... and yes, I do know Delbert personally, Rocketwolf... Personally, I would suggest NO ABSENTEE VOTING... you can't be there on election day... tough... many people can't get to the polls on election day for a variety of reasons... I didn't state dead people... I stated "dead" people and you should know that I meant: someone (other than the dead person) voting using the dead person's name. |
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Post by aponderer on Jul 31, 2015 12:29:25 GMT -5
The problem seems to be as follows: "This strongly indicates the county has failed to purge the names of people who have died, moved away or have been convicted of disenfranchising crimes."d died, moved away or been convicted of disenfranchising felonies."It doesn't necessarily mean that more people voted than were supposed to be eligible to vote... oe tht there was any voter fraud... only that the voter registration rolls hadn't been purged in some time... Rocketwolf is gonna love this: My brother lives and votes in Clarke County, Mississippi... I have no clue as to what happened to this post... I tried three time to correct it but it just won't work properly... what I was saying was that the article pointed out that the cause may be that voter rolls had not been properly purged regularly... Unfortunately, the ProBoards software does have some bugs... I have over 50 years' experience working with and programming computers, so when something doesn't work and I'm sure it's not pilot error, it's a bug in the software. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:32:50 GMT -5
I have no clue as to what happened to this post... I tried three time to correct it but it just won't work properly... what I was saying was that the article pointed out that the cause may be that voter rolls had not been properly purged regularly... Unfortunately, the ProBoards software does have some bugs... I have over 50 years' experience working with and programming computers, so when something doesn't work and I'm sure it's not pilot error, it's a bug in the software. Looks like some of your previous post is fu**** up as well... it doesn't make sense... I responded to: "And do you honestly believe that "dead" people don't vote?"... with a resounding YES... |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:35:21 GMT -5
What's going on, Aponderer?...
Are we under a cyber attack?...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:38:35 GMT -5
What's going on, Aponderer?...
"Are we under a cyber attack?"...
THIS IS A TEST...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:38:58 GMT -5
What's going on, Aponderer?...
Are we under a cyber attack?...
THIS IS A TEST...
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:39:50 GMT -5
Problem is something to do with the "italics" feature...
TEST COMPLETE...
I have modified my first post on this thread...
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Post by aponderer on Jul 31, 2015 12:48:01 GMT -5
Way to shoot the messenger, EY. Do you really believe the counties are properly maintaing their voter rolls? Or do you need to hear it from a liberal organization before you'll believe there's a problem? Some messengers deserve to be shot. I'm sure that there are all kinds of problems. In liberal controlled areas the voter registration is massaged to favor them; in conservative controlled areas the reverse is true. Unlike you and redleg, who appear to believe that there is no corruption on the right, I believe there's plenty to go around. Does it balance out? Who knows? I have read studies suggesting that voter fraud is not the problem conservatives claim it is. If those studies are accurate, it would suggest that the use of dead voters is the Democrat approach to rigging the game, while the disenfranchisement of live ones (through onerous qualification requirements) is the Republican approach. According to the ACRU, they have a blind eye when it comes to violations of the Voter Rights Act. They will seek justice whether the infractions are caused by liberals, Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, minorities, majorities, etc. The PEW Charitable Trusts report on voter registration has found that:
Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 12:52:52 GMT -5
Some messengers deserve to be shot. I'm sure that there are all kinds of problems. In liberal controlled areas the voter registration is massaged to favor them; in conservative controlled areas the reverse is true. Unlike you and redleg, who appear to believe that there is no corruption on the right, I believe there's plenty to go around. Does it balance out? Who knows? I have read studies suggesting that voter fraud is not the problem conservatives claim it is. If those studies are accurate, it would suggest that the use of dead voters is the Democrat approach to rigging the game, while the disenfranchisement of live ones (through onerous qualification requirements) is the Republican approach. According to the ACRU, they have a blind eye when it comes to violations of the Voter Rights Act. They will seek justice whether the infractions are caused by liberals, Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, minorities, majorities, etc. The PEW Charitable Trusts report on voter registration has found that:
Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
Purging the rolls may not work... the only sure thing with regard to dead people?... is NO ABSENTEE VOTING... but that will not eliminate other things like people moving an registering in a new location while remaining registered in the old location... NATIONAL VOTER ID CARD?... (that can't be duplicated)... which can be voted only ONCE?... may be the only solution... |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 31, 2015 14:11:57 GMT -5
Who knew Mississippi was controlled by Democrats? Who cared? I didn't comment on that specific situation. I offered general observations on how the two parties cheat the system, that's all. My comments about the ACRU were based on its clear desire to benefit from folks confusing it with the ACLU, while at the same time they complain on their site aboyt the ACLU. That's hypocrisy, and that's my complaint. Or that presenting ID to vote was an onerous qualification? I mean, most of the rest of the world where voting happens, people have to show ID. The things I learn chatting with you. Lmao. It is for some folks. And there are real questions about voter ID laws. Specifically, are they "solving" a problem that does not need to be solved. And if so, is the real objective to disenfranchise typically Democratic voters. Recall that Republicans have been caught engaging in various underhanded moves like telling inner city people Democrats vote on Wednesdays, or robocalling them to say that the election is in hand and no need to show up. So they have established a pattern of attempting to keep Democrats from voting. Granted, a person stupid enough to fall for those tricks probably doesn't deserve a vote, but it's still unethical. |
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Post by rocketwolf on Jul 31, 2015 15:07:32 GMT -5
Who knew Mississippi was controlled by Democrats? Who cared? I didn't comment on that specific situation. I offered general observations on how the two parties cheat the system, that's all. My comments about the ACRU were based on its clear desire to benefit from folks confusing it with the ACLU, while at the same time they complain on their site aboyt the ACLU. That's hypocrisy, and that's my complaint. Or that presenting ID to vote was an onerous qualification? I mean, most of the rest of the world where voting happens, people have to show ID. The things I learn chatting with you. Lmao. It is for some folks. And there are real questions about voter ID laws. Specifically, are they "solving" a problem that does not need to be solved. And if so, is the real objective to disenfranchise typically Democratic voters. Recall that Republicans have been caught engaging in various underhanded moves like telling inner city people Democrats vote on Wednesdays, or robocalling them to say that the election is in hand and no need to show up. So they have established a pattern of attempting to keep Democrats from voting. Granted, a person stupid enough to fall for those tricks probably doesn't deserve a vote, but it's still unethical.What you said is correct. Why is it that the Dems seem to fall for tricks like that, it proves your statement, too dumb to vote! |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Jul 31, 2015 15:10:05 GMT -5
Why is it that the Dems seem to fall for tricks like that, it proves your statement, too dumb to vote! The Pubs have a lot of dummies in their party, too. Think flyover state poor, who are somehow Republicans despite the fact their self-interest should put them squarely in the Democratic camp. The Dems, as far as I can tell, have refrained from attempting to disenfranchise them by trickery. |
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Post by aboutwell on Jul 31, 2015 15:51:35 GMT -5
Why is it that the Dems seem to fall for tricks like that, it proves your statement, too dumb to vote! The Pubs have a lot of dummies in their party, too. Think flyover state poor, who are somehow Republicans despite the fact their self-interest should put them squarely in the Democratic camp. The Dems, as far as I can tell, have refrained from attempting to disenfranchise them by trickery. You are right... the older and more uneducated Republicans... (which are the primary targets of such efforts... and of which there are many here in Mississippi)... not only "can," but "are," duped just like the Democrats... it's just primarily a tactic used more so by the Republicans... because they have a problem winning being honest and right up front... |
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