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Post by oscar on Nov 5, 2013 6:30:26 GMT -5
I agree completely about Pees. Back in 2002, when Lewis was hurt, anytime Reed missed time, the defense was still very solid. Yet this year, they cannot get off the field when it is needed most and as you state, the schemes are esy to diagnose. How often have we seen a corner blitz? Webb used to eat quarterbacks up he was soo good at it.... Not playing press coverage, no mixing up of coverages during the pre snap, odd.
We could say it is because of the youth at corner, in the safety area. For all intents in purposes, they have two strong safeties in the game, no true free safety. Elam is not living up to his salary either, often out of place, terrible at coverage and tackling, well, no one tackles in the NFL any more.....
I suppose you cannnot run complex routes with raw receivers, the Pats found that out. Even so, as the season has gone on for them, those receivers are picking up that complex system, so why aren't the Raven receivers? Coaching....
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Post by alienrace on Nov 5, 2013 11:00:31 GMT -5
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Post by alienrace on Nov 5, 2013 11:07:03 GMT -5
How often have we seen a corner blitz? Webb used to eat quarterbacks up he was soo good at it.... Webb has had only 2 career QB sacks. There aren't any stats I could find on QB hurries, but my recollection and perception was that most of the times Webb, or any other Ravens CB blitzed the QB, it was quite telegraphed, and usually had negligible effect other than maybe forcing the QB to move a little. It always seemed a day late, a dollar short most of the time. We really haven't seen consistently effective corner blitzes since the 2006 season from the Ravens.
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Post by oscar on Nov 5, 2013 11:23:40 GMT -5
How often have we seen a corner blitz? Webb used to eat quarterbacks up he was soo good at it.... Webb has had only 2 career QB sacks. There aren't any stats I could find on QB hurries, but my recollection and perception was that most of the times Webb, or any other Ravens CB blitzed the QB, it was quite telegraphed, and usually had negligible effect other than maybe forcing the QB to move a little. It always seemed a day late, a dollar short most of the time. We really haven't seen consistently effective corner blitzes since the 2006 season from the Ravens. Just because the corner doesn't get home, does not mean it was ineffective. By doing so, it takes a man off the oncoming rushers, freeing up a Dumerville, Suggs, even a lineman if a stunt is also used at the same time, quite effective over 90% of the time. One can also, if you know the tendancies on a hot read, force the quarterback to throw the hot read, and either cause a disruption of get a flat out pick. This is what the Ravens used to do, but not since Pees took over. Some of that could be on the youth and him not trusting them, but even after the injury, Webb has the speed to be very effective on the blitz.
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Post by alienrace on Nov 5, 2013 11:55:59 GMT -5
There is not getting home, and there is getting burnt.
I know how a corner blitz is supposed to work. I've seen effective ones, and non effective ones. The Ravens haven't been effective in recent years when they have run them, and I suspect they don't have the personnel to do so. Webb is definitely not 100% just yet, and maybe that is the problem. Or it could be Pees as well. Bottom line is, when they have been doing it, they've been getting burnt. That is probably the main reason they have shied away from them.
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Post by douger on Nov 5, 2013 12:15:28 GMT -5
I don't hardly profess to be the Xs and Os type of football fan that some on this board are. But me, the bit more casual fan, sees Pees as a mixed bag.
Of all of footballs stats, here are the two that jump out at me: points for and points against. In the "points against" stat, three teams in the AFC are better than the Ravens, and if they give Manning half of the points scored in the season opener, they'd be number two.
Stupidity, which can be pretty much traced to its roots in team discipline, is what seems to have cost the Ravens. Tandon Doss's muff - which in the Cleveland game cost the touchdown that was the difference in the game. Stupid penalties that extend drives. Stupid penalties that kill drives.
I'm beginning to believe that Ray Rice is almost done and that Bernard Pierce is not a feature back. No, the holes certainly are few and far between, but neither seems to have the quickness to attack the few that they're getting. I also believe that Flacco is not the kind of quarterback that can win many games attempting more than about 35 passes per game. Harbaugh hinted sharply yesterday that they'll run more three wide sets, which means to me that Flacco will be throwing the ball more.
Blitz more? Maybe, but I'm not convinced. It worked well when Ed Reed was in his prime, but there's nothing in the deep secondary that's even remotely as capable.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 5, 2013 15:27:07 GMT -5
Torrey Smith, last night at some appearance he makes every week, apparently said (ie. was quoted by the jock on 98Rock as having said) something like "we're doing the same thing every week and expecting different results". If he wasn't misquoted and that's true, that's poor coaching.
Ray Rice is fading fast. He can't make opponents miss any longer and he's not explosive. Pierce hasn't been much better. Some of that is they're not getting any help from an offensive line which has been so bad you don't even want to give it an "F" - because that implies it at least tried. But not all of it. Whether the line's problem is bad scheming or a lack of talent or both, I don't know. But what's increasingly clear is that the coaches do not know how to fix it. If the rest of the season is like this, I think they need to make some changes.
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Nov 5, 2013 15:44:33 GMT -5
Torrey Smith, last night at some appearance he makes every week, apparently said (ie. was quoted by the jock on 98Rock as having said) something like "we're doing the same thing every week and expecting different results". If he wasn't misquoted and that's true, that's poor coaching. Ray Rice is fading fast. He can't make opponents miss any longer and he's not explosive. Pierce hasn't been much better. Some of that is they're not getting any help from an offensive line which has been so bad you don't even want to give it an "F" - because that implies it at least tried. But not all of it. Whether the line's problem is bad scheming or a lack of talent or both, I don't know. But what's increasingly clear is that the coaches do not know how to fix it. If the rest of the season is like this, I think they need to make some changes. Fire everybody but ozzie and start over
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Post by com6063 on Nov 5, 2013 15:45:49 GMT -5
Yeah, what has happened to Ray Rice? He just isn't performing like he used to.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 5, 2013 15:48:04 GMT -5
Yeah, what has happened to Ray Rice? He just isn't performing like he used to. Running backs have short professional lives. Small running backs even shorter.
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Post by alienrace on Nov 5, 2013 17:14:40 GMT -5
But not all of it. Whether the line's problem is bad scheming or a lack of talent or both, I don't know. But what's increasingly clear is that the coaches do not know how to fix it. If the rest of the season is like this, I think they need to make some changes. This is worth reading. talk.baltimoresun.com/topic/245780-anatomy-of-a-failed-rush/#entry6404395This is why Rice and Pierce appear "done" among other reasons. Though I think that Rice is in fact fading rather fast. Pierce I had high hopes for, but he cannot stay healthy. However, not even Earl Campbell would have success with plays like this example, which sadly, has become the majority of Ravens running plays this year. You can't blame this play and others like it on coaching. This is your pro bowl guard and right tackle getting destroyed physically.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 5, 2013 18:42:20 GMT -5
I had some trouble seeing what was going on in those pictures (fifty year old eyes), but it seems like the point is that the zone blocking is not working, or not being executed correctly. But that's been the case all year? Why can't they switch to a scheme that does work? Do you have to have an entire off-season to design a blocking scheme, and if you pick the wrong one you're screwed? I can't believe that. Maybe Torrey is right when he says they keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Supposedly McKinnie said after landing in Miami that Castillo told them it would take eight or nine games to adapt to the scheme. That could be a player who outstayed his welcome grousing, of course. But if it's true... what the hell kind of idiot designs a scheme the players can't learn for half the season??? That's plain dumb, if that's what he did.
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Post by alienrace on Nov 5, 2013 18:49:17 GMT -5
I had some trouble seeing what was going on in those pictures (fifty year old eyes), but it seems like the point is that the zone blocking is not working, or not being executed correctly. Actually on this play, it was simply a matter of being physically overpowered. Yanda got destroyed initially, followed by Oher. These are guys who last year were doing the destroying. I don't think people anticipated those two particular players having these types of issues, but this has been happening far too often this year.
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Post by bowiebruce on Nov 5, 2013 18:52:04 GMT -5
I had some trouble seeing what was going on in those pictures (fifty year old eyes), but it seems like the point is that the zone blocking is not working, or not being executed correctly. Actually on this play, it was simply a matter of being physically overpowered. Yanda got destroyed initially, followed by Oher. These are guys who last year were doing the destroying. I don't think people anticipated those two particular players having these types of issues, but this has been happening far too often this year. As for Yanda, I'm beginning to think that he is not fully recovered from his offseason shoulder surgery. At least I hope that's the reason; he's clearly not the same player at this time.
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