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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 12:09:17 GMT -5
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 12:30:25 GMT -5
Oops! Is this the wrong forum category? I forgot! It's still funny...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 2, 2013 15:19:13 GMT -5
The Borowitz Report? Really? The truth is that this is how Washington works. Liberals dislike it when the organization buying the politicians is one they oppose, but are perfectly happy with it when the organization is one they support.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:20:54 GMT -5
Bingo, Yoda, bingo. Lobbyists from all sides own pols.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 15:22:02 GMT -5
The Borowitz Report? Really? The truth is that this is how Washington works. Liberals dislike it when the organization buying the politicians is one they oppose, but are perfectly happy with it when the organization is one they support. Of course, the same doesn't apply for consevatives, does it?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 2, 2013 15:31:44 GMT -5
Of course, the same doesn't apply for consevatives, does it? Sure it does. That wasn't apparent from the fact that the NRA is doing it? They'll NEVER be a liberal organization.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 15:38:57 GMT -5
Of course, the same doesn't apply for consevatives, does it? Sure it does. That wasn't apparent from the fact that the NRA is doing it? They'll NEVER be a liberal organization. It's the damn corporations that I oppose I don't care when the NRA or other groups of citizens band together to lobby Congress that's more I think in line with the idea of this country.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 2, 2013 16:27:20 GMT -5
The Borowitz Report? Really? The truth is that this is how Washington works. Liberals dislike it when the organization buying the politicians is one they oppose, but are perfectly happy with it when the organization is one they support. Of course, the same doesn't apply for consevatives, does it? No. Not really. The largest and most influential special interest groups are all liberal. The Heavy HittersOf the top 20 special interest groups, only 2 (numbers 19 & 20) lean Republican. 5 more are neutral. The remaining 13 are all hard-core leftist. As for the NRA, it is classified as 'strongly Republican' but fully 16% of it's funding goes to Democrats. It is on the list at number 51 and has only donated about $20 million over the last 20+ years. You want to know who actually owns politicians, it's a George Soros front group called "Act Blue." It has donated almost $93 million over the last 20 years. Four and a half times what the NRA has donated. ALL of it has gone to Democrats. After Soros, it's a motley collection of Labor Unions and the Trial Lawyers. There are a handful of large corporate donors near the top, but they tend to hedge their bets and fund both sides.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 16:31:32 GMT -5
Of course, the same doesn't apply for consevatives, does it? No. Not really. The largest and most influential special interest groups are all liberal. The Heavy HittersOf the top 20 special interest groups, only 2 (numbers 19 & 20) lean Republican. 5 more are neutral. The remaining 13 are all hard-core leftist. As for the NRA, it is classified as 'strongly Republican' but fully 16% of it's funding goes to Democrats. It is on the list at number 51 and has only donated about $20 million over the last 20+ years. You want to know who actually owns politicians, it's a George Soros front group called "Act Blue." It has donated almost $93 million over the last 20 years. Four and a half times what the NRA has donated. ALL of it has gone to Democrats. After Soros, it's a motley collection of Labor Unions and the Trial Lawyers. There are a handful of large corporate donors near the top, but they tend to hedge their bets and fund both sides. You really had to go way out of your box to post this, I'll bet! Damn Libs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 18:11:40 GMT -5
Of course, the same doesn't apply for consevatives, does it? No. Not really. The largest and most influential special interest groups are all liberal. The Heavy HittersOf the top 20 special interest groups, only 2 (numbers 19 & 20) lean Republican. 5 more are neutral. The remaining 13 are all hard-core leftist. As for the NRA, it is classified as 'strongly Republican' but fully 16% of it's funding goes to Democrats. It is on the list at number 51 and has only donated about $20 million over the last 20+ years. You want to know who actually owns politicians, it's a George Soros front group called "Act Blue." It has donated almost $93 million over the last 20 years. Four and a half times what the NRA has donated. ALL of it has gone to Democrats. After Soros, it's a motley collection of Labor Unions and the Trial Lawyers. There are a handful of large corporate donors near the top, but they tend to hedge their bets and fund both sides. That's a lot of words to actually say; yes, the Conservatives also dislike it when the organization buying the politicians is one they oppose, but are perfectly happy with it when the organization is one they support.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 2, 2013 18:34:24 GMT -5
No. Not really. The largest and most influential special interest groups are all liberal. The Heavy HittersOf the top 20 special interest groups, only 2 (numbers 19 & 20) lean Republican. 5 more are neutral. The remaining 13 are all hard-core leftist. As for the NRA, it is classified as 'strongly Republican' but fully 16% of it's funding goes to Democrats. It is on the list at number 51 and has only donated about $20 million over the last 20+ years. You want to know who actually owns politicians, it's a George Soros front group called "Act Blue." It has donated almost $93 million over the last 20 years. Four and a half times what the NRA has donated. ALL of it has gone to Democrats. After Soros, it's a motley collection of Labor Unions and the Trial Lawyers. There are a handful of large corporate donors near the top, but they tend to hedge their bets and fund both sides. That's a lot of words to actually say; yes, the Conservatives also dislike it when the organization buying the politicians is one they oppose, but are perfectly happy with it when the organization is one they support. Actually what it says is that organizations buying politicians isn't a particularly serious problem on the right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 18:40:20 GMT -5
That's a lot of words to actually say; yes, the Conservatives also dislike it when the organization buying the politicians is one they oppose, but are perfectly happy with it when the organization is one they support. Actually what it says is that organizations buying politicians isn't a particularly serious problem on the right. I'd venture to suggest that it's a serious problem, period.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 2, 2013 18:53:05 GMT -5
I'd venture to suggest that it's a serious problem, period. I'd agree. Unfortunately, the people who could fix it are the people least interested in fixing it. So it will continue until the end of the United States, whenever that is.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 2, 2013 18:54:19 GMT -5
Actually what it says is that organizations buying politicians isn't a particularly serious problem on the right. I'd venture to suggest that it's a serious problem, period. You'd be wrong. This is a VERY partisan problem. The Democratic party as it is today exists only as a cypher for special interest groups. You guys love to talk about groups like the NRA and Koch Industries as though their influence is entirely unacceptable. A look at that Heavy Hitter list reveals that as noted above, the NRA comes in at number 51 ($20Million). Koch Industries is at number 60 ($18Million). The Club for Growth is at 63 ($17Million). Exxon at 77 ($15Million). All your favorite right-wing bogeymen combined don't even equal the single largest Democrat special interest group. And then there's News Corp - parent company of such bogeymen as "Faux News." News Corp shows up on the list at number 86. And it favors the Democratic party 58-40.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:08:42 GMT -5
I'd venture to suggest that it's a serious problem, period. You'd be wrong. This is a VERY partisan problem. The Democratic party as it is today exists only as a cypher for special interest groups. You guys love to talk about groups like the NRA and Koch Industries as though their influence is entirely unacceptable. A look at that Heavy Hitter list reveals that as noted above, the NRA comes in at number 51 ($20Million). Koch Industries is at number 60 ($18Million). The Club for Growth is at 63 ($17Million). Exxon at 77 ($15Million). All your favorite right-wing bogeymen combined don't even equal the single largest Democrat special interest group. And then there's News Corp - parent company of such bogeymen as "Faux News." News Corp shows up on the list at number 86. And it favors the Democratic party 58-40. Yes, it is a very partisan problem, as your statistical cherry picking clearly demonstrates.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 2, 2013 19:12:54 GMT -5
You'd be wrong. This is a VERY partisan problem. The Democratic party as it is today exists only as a cypher for special interest groups. You guys love to talk about groups like the NRA and Koch Industries as though their influence is entirely unacceptable. A look at that Heavy Hitter list reveals that as noted above, the NRA comes in at number 51 ($20Million). Koch Industries is at number 60 ($18Million). The Club for Growth is at 63 ($17Million). Exxon at 77 ($15Million). All your favorite right-wing bogeymen combined don't even equal the single largest Democrat special interest group. And then there's News Corp - parent company of such bogeymen as "Faux News." News Corp shows up on the list at number 86. And it favors the Democratic party 58-40. Yes, it is a very partisan problem, as your statistical cherry picking clearly demonstrates. What cherry picking? I've given you a table from a non-partisan source that clearly proves that the Democrats get at least 10 times the special interest group money that the GOP gets.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:20:56 GMT -5
No. Not really. The largest and most influential special interest groups are all liberal. The Heavy HittersOf the top 20 special interest groups, only 2 (numbers 19 & 20) lean Republican. 5 more are neutral. The remaining 13 are all hard-core leftist. As for the NRA, it is classified as 'strongly Republican' but fully 16% of it's funding goes to Democrats. It is on the list at number 51 and has only donated about $20 million over the last 20+ years. You want to know who actually owns politicians, it's a George Soros front group called "Act Blue." It has donated almost $93 million over the last 20 years. Four and a half times what the NRA has donated. ALL of it has gone to Democrats. After Soros, it's a motley collection of Labor Unions and the Trial Lawyers. There are a handful of large corporate donors near the top, but they tend to hedge their bets and fund both sides. That's a lot of words to actually say; yes, the Conservatives also dislike it when the organization buying the politicians is one they oppose, but are perfectly happy with it when the organization is one they support. Some are so partisan their guys and gals can do no wrong.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:21:20 GMT -5
Yes, it is a very partisan problem, as your statistical cherry picking clearly demonstrates. What cherry picking? I've given you a table from a non-partisan source that clearly proves that the Democrats get at least 10 times the special interest group money that the GOP gets. Lmao
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:29:53 GMT -5
OK, since we're posting alternative universe theory here; let's try this on for size!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:32:26 GMT -5
Yes, it is a very partisan problem, as your statistical cherry picking clearly demonstrates. What cherry picking? I've given you a table from a non-partisan source that clearly proves that the Democrats get at least 10 times the special interest group money that the GOP gets. The democrats get 10 times more? I don't think so. Take a look at this chart, it comes from the source that you linked to, the funding looks pretty even to me. Either way, the system stinks to high heaven.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:40:47 GMT -5
What cherry picking? I've given you a table from a non-partisan source that clearly proves that the Democrats get at least 10 times the special interest group money that the GOP gets. The democrats get 10 times more? I don't think so. Take a look at this chart, it comes from the source that you linked to, the funding looks pretty even to me. Either way, the system stinks to high heaven. Don't be too hard on the feller. Been a tough century so far for them.
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Post by Moses on Nov 2, 2013 19:42:26 GMT -5
There can be no alternative universe. The universe encompasses everything. Therefore an alternative universe is part of the universe and is not alternative.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 2, 2013 19:45:19 GMT -5
The democrats get 10 times more? I don't think so. Take a look at this chart, it comes from the source that you linked to, the funding looks pretty even to me. Either way, the system stinks to high heaven. Democrats 42.9% Republicans 47.1% It doesn't add to 100% because a lot of the splits don't, either. Some segments donate nearly exclusively to the big two, others spare some cash for (I guess) various third parties. If you disagree with the math, take it up with OpenOffice "calc". It took care of that, for me!
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 2, 2013 19:45:52 GMT -5
What cherry picking? I've given you a table from a non-partisan source that clearly proves that the Democrats get at least 10 times the special interest group money that the GOP gets. The democrats get 10 times more? I don't think so. Take a look at this chart, it comes from the source that you linked to, the funding looks pretty even to me. Either way, the system stinks to high heaven. That's a chart showing donations by economic sector, not by special interest group. And its limited to the 2013-2014 election cycle which we're only halfway into. Apparently you have your definition of 'cherry picked numbers' backwards - because that's what this chart is. Go back to the OP in this thread - the discussion started because of an absurd story about the perceived undue influence of the NRA on Republicans. Obviously the NRA does have some influence on the GOP, but on the list of influential special interest groups, they don't even crack the top 50. You want to have a discussion about the undue influence special interest groups have without even acknowledging groups like Act Blue and AFSCME... and while deliberately ignoring the fact that going down the list of most influential special interest groups, you've got to get to number 19 before you run across one that even modestly prefers the GOP to the Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 19:46:18 GMT -5
There can be no alternative universe. The universe encompasses everything. Therefore an alternative universe is part of the universe and is not alternative. OK. How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
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