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Post by douger on Nov 7, 2013 13:19:40 GMT -5
"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of the tyrant."
So true.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 7, 2013 13:35:14 GMT -5
For decades the Soviet Union pretended that what it was doing was for its people. The human capacity for self-deception is immense.
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Post by davo on Nov 7, 2013 13:39:11 GMT -5
For decades the Soviet Union pretended that what it was doing was for its people. The human capacity for self-deception is immense. Yeah, witness conservatives on this board who imagine that going considerably further to the right of Christie is going to be a winning forumla in 2016. |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 7, 2013 13:53:15 GMT -5
Who is Al?
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Post by drjohnnyfever on Nov 7, 2013 13:56:10 GMT -5
For decades the Soviet Union pretended that what it was doing was for its people. The human capacity for self-deception is immense. Yeah, witness conservatives on this board who imagine that going considerably further to the right of Christie is going to be a winning forumla in 2016. Good point-they are almost as deluded as those that think barry and his policies aren't going to leave the dems begging for mercy in '16. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 14:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by com6063 on Nov 7, 2013 14:09:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 14:16:45 GMT -5
he wrote the stranger didn't he? I had to read that in some college class but I did not really like it. Maybe I will try it again. I will put it on the list!
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Post by douger on Nov 7, 2013 14:18:11 GMT -5
he wrote the stranger didn't he? I had to read that in some college class but I did not really like it. Maybe I will try it again. I will put it on the list! |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 7, 2013 14:26:46 GMT -5
he wrote the stranger didn't he? I had to read that in some college class but I did not really like it. Maybe I will try it again. I will put it on the list! The Stranger is awesome!  |
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Post by douger on Nov 7, 2013 14:30:57 GMT -5
he wrote the stranger didn't he? I had to read that in some college class but I did not really like it. Maybe I will try it again. I will put it on the list! The Stranger is awesome! I like Billy Joel too.  |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 7, 2013 15:30:27 GMT -5
For decades the Soviet Union pretended that what it was doing was for its people. The human capacity for self-deception is immense. Yeah, witness conservatives on this board who imagine that going considerably further to the right of Christie is going to be a winning forumla in 2016. The 2014 and 2016 elections will be an endorsement against candidates, not in favor of them, just as 2008 and 2012 were. That is, people will get elected because they're not the other guy. The problems with Obamacare are going to hurt the Dems in '14, unless the can fix it fast. And by fix it fast, I mean, figure out how to lower premiums. Which they can't do. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 16:10:24 GMT -5
They can lower premiums with subsidies or price controls. The first you pay for anyway (put it on the Fed's QE tab... what could possibly go wrong). The second, well, if you bought gas in the 70s you probably remember how that turns out.
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 7, 2013 16:13:03 GMT -5
Yeah, witness conservatives on this board who imagine that going considerably further to the right of Christie is going to be a winning forumla in 2016. The 2014 and 2016 elections will be an endorsement against candidates, not in favor of them, just as 2008 and 2012 were. That is, people will get elected because they're not the other guy. The problems with Obamacare are going to hurt the Dems in '14, unless the can fix it fast. And by fix it fast, I mean, figure out how to lower premiums. Which they can't do. There are many ifs. The big Ifs: If Hillary is running against her time in the State Department and if the republicans can articulate a coherent, unexaggerated case against her and if Christie runs and if the repubs can show how she is a candidate of the status quo and how she is partial to the bureaucracy as a voting bloc ... The likely thing that will happen is the dunces at the RNC will overplay their hand and look stupid. Christie will find himself running against the party unless the repubs are prepared to swat the tea party on the nose in some final way that puts them on the ash heap ... The election is totally in play with both sides being damaged goods. All things being equal Christie is in the position to give Mrs C a run for her money. If Christie's smart he will run as a repub but maintain his own confidences a la Romney. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 7, 2013 16:29:40 GMT -5
Yeah, witness conservatives on this board who imagine that going considerably further to the right of Christie is going to be a winning forumla in 2016. The 2014 and 2016 elections will be an endorsement against candidates, not in favor of them, just as 2008 and 2012 were. That is, people will get elected because they're not the other guy. The problems with Obamacare are going to hurt the Dems in '14, unless the can fix it fast. And by fix it fast, I mean, figure out how to lower premiums. Which they can't do. The problem is the bill really isn't due on the penalties, and maybe subsidies until people file their taxes in 2015, after the elections. I know quite a few down here in SE Arizona who actually haven't really even heard of obamacare, and don't know they are going to have to buy insurance, it is going to be quite a shock when the IRS bill comes due. |
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 7, 2013 16:32:23 GMT -5
The 2014 and 2016 elections will be an endorsement against candidates, not in favor of them, just as 2008 and 2012 were. That is, people will get elected because they're not the other guy. The problems with Obamacare are going to hurt the Dems in '14, unless the can fix it fast. And by fix it fast, I mean, figure out how to lower premiums. Which they can't do. There are many ifs. The big Ifs: If Hillary is running against her time in the State Department and if the republicans can articulate a coherent, unexaggerated case against her and if Christie runs and if the repubs can show how she is a candidate of the status quo and how she is partial to the bureaucracy as a voting bloc ... The likely thing that will happen is the dunces at the RNC will overplay their hand and look stupid. Christie will find himself running against the party unless the repubs are prepared to swat the tea party on the nose in some final way that puts them on the ash heap ... The election is totally in play with both sides being damaged goods. All things being equal Christie is in the position to give Mrs C a run for her money. If Christie's smart he will run as a repub but maintain his own confidences a la Romney. I predict that if Christie runs that he will lose, the only ones who seem to want him are lefties (who won't vote for him), and the GOP establishment types (who don't have the numbers), the rest of us want to see someone other than a moderate run for a change. |
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 7, 2013 16:41:16 GMT -5
Yes, the repubs are known for their moderate views. (LOL)
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 7, 2013 16:49:00 GMT -5
Yes, the repubs are known for their moderate views. (LOL) Actually the GOP establishment has been invaded by the dems for quite a while, most I would call RINO's, true conservatives are tired of the game dems and pubs (politicians) have been playing. |
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Post by BullIsland on Nov 7, 2013 18:05:17 GMT -5
There are many ifs. The big Ifs: If Hillary is running against her time in the State Department and if the republicans can articulate a coherent, unexaggerated case against her and if Christie runs and if the repubs can show how she is a candidate of the status quo and how she is partial to the bureaucracy as a voting bloc ... The likely thing that will happen is the dunces at the RNC will overplay their hand and look stupid. Christie will find himself running against the party unless the repubs are prepared to swat the tea party on the nose in some final way that puts them on the ash heap ... The election is totally in play with both sides being damaged goods. All things being equal Christie is in the position to give Mrs C a run for her money. If Christie's smart he will run as a repub but maintain his own confidences a la Romney. I predict that if Christie runs that he will lose, the only ones who seem to want him are lefties (who won't vote for him), and the GOP establishment types (who don't have the numbers), the rest of us want to see someone other than a moderate run for a change. Exactly. If he runs against Hillary, I will sit out my first election since the early 80's. |
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 7, 2013 18:31:53 GMT -5
I read "The Stranger" in French, as part of one of my college classes. Made as much sense to me in French as it did in English - and I was not a good French student.
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Post by kemmer on Nov 7, 2013 22:57:29 GMT -5
For decades the Soviet Union pretended that what it was doing was for its people. The human capacity for self-deception is immense. Well, you have to remember that the people they meant was the "New, Soviet Man" which they were sure they would create. In their defense, given the number they murdered to remove from the gene pool, they really, really TRIED to create a new kind of human. Unfortunately for them, genetics proved more powerful than central planning. |
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Post by com6063 on Nov 8, 2013 8:58:02 GMT -5
I read "The Stranger" in French, as part of one of my college classes. Made as much sense to me in French as it did in English - and I was not a good French student. You didn't like it? |
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 8, 2013 11:20:39 GMT -5
I read "The Stranger" in French, as part of one of my college classes. Made as much sense to me in French as it did in English - and I was not a good French student. You didn't like it? I'm a pretty simple person, Com. I thought it was a waste of ink. |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 8, 2013 19:38:17 GMT -5
I predict that if Christie runs that he will lose, the only ones who seem to want him are lefties (who won't vote for him), and the GOP establishment types (who don't have the numbers), the rest of us want to see someone other than a moderate run for a change. Then you can expect to put a (D) back in the White House. Let me see if I can figure out how to put this delicately: moderates swing elections, and most of us regard the Tea Party as either a joke, or a millstone about the GOP's neck. |
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Post by douger on Nov 8, 2013 21:04:27 GMT -5
I predict that if Christie runs that he will lose, the only ones who seem to want him are lefties (who won't vote for him), and the GOP establishment types (who don't have the numbers), the rest of us want to see someone other than a moderate run for a change. Then you can expect to put a (D) back in the White House. Let me see if I can figure out how to put this delicately: moderates swing elections, and most of us regard the Tea Party as either a joke, or a millstone about the GOP's neck. Yet they're 100% correct in the need for fiscal sanity and that it will never be achieved with the status quo. |
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