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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:12:37 GMT -5
Then you can expect to put a (D) back in the White House. Let me see if I can figure out how to put this delicately: moderates swing elections, and most of us regard the Tea Party as either a joke, or a millstone about the GOP's neck. Yet they're 100% correct in the need for fiscal sanity and that it will never be achieved with the status quo. Well anytime they're in office though there is no fiscal sanity.
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 8, 2013 21:16:22 GMT -5
We may get fiscal sanity someday but I guarantee it will not come from the Democrat party.
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Post by douger on Nov 8, 2013 21:17:33 GMT -5
We may get fiscal sanity someday but I guarantee it will not come from the Democrat party. I don't see it in the Republican party either, as they're currently constituted.
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:18:06 GMT -5
We may get fiscal sanity someday but I guarantee it will not come from the Democrat party. Oh so there's hope then!
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:18:36 GMT -5
We may get fiscal sanity someday but I guarantee it will not come from the Democrat party. I don't see it in the Republican party either, as they're currently constituted. Currently?
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:18:45 GMT -5
For decades the Soviet Union pretended that what it was doing was for its people. The human capacity for self-deception is immense. Yeah, witness conservatives on this board who imagine that going considerably further to the right of Christie is going to be a winning forumla in 2016. It is. Especially since going to the left of Lenin has worked out so great for the Marxists currently trying to dictate to the country. I'm waiting for the first lawsuit demanding that The Puppet, Pelosi, Dingy Harry, et al, pay for someone 's insurance. Out of their own pockets. Since they are the ones that forced so many cancellations and left no way to sign up for the new, triple cost, third the coverage insurance The Puppet is forcing on everyone.
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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 8, 2013 21:19:59 GMT -5
We may get fiscal sanity someday but I guarantee it will not come from the Democrat party. Oh so there's hope then! Actually there is no hope, nor change.
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:23:05 GMT -5
I predict that if Christie runs that he will lose, the only ones who seem to want him are lefties (who won't vote for him), and the GOP establishment types (who don't have the numbers), the rest of us want to see someone other than a moderate run for a change. Then you can expect to put a (D) back in the White House. Let me see if I can figure out how to put this delicately: moderates swing elections, and most of us regard the Tea Party as either a joke, or a millstone about the GOP's neck. W was a "moderate". Romney was a "moderate". McCain was a "moderate". It's worked out so great for the Repubs to run "moderates", hasn't it?
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:23:56 GMT -5
Yet they're 100% correct in the need for fiscal sanity and that it will never be achieved with the status quo. Well anytime they're in office though there is no fiscal sanity. Anytime who's in office? Republicans? Or Tea Party candidates?
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:44:40 GMT -5
Well anytime they're in office though there is no fiscal sanity. Anytime who's in office? Republicans? Or Tea Party candidates? Guess. Trying to have a reasonable conversation with you is impossible.
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Post by douger on Nov 8, 2013 21:57:46 GMT -5
Anytime who's in office? Republicans? Or Tea Party candidates? Guess. Trying to have a reasonable conversation with you is impossible. Glass houses. And the people that live in them. Just sayin'. Lol.
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:59:49 GMT -5
Anytime who's in office? Republicans? Or Tea Party candidates? Guess. Trying to have a reasonable conversation with you is impossible. When you have no idea what it is you are trying to ask, what would you expect?
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 22:02:55 GMT -5
Omg this is so funny!!!! Better than SNL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 22:04:22 GMT -5
Oh so there's hope then! Actually there is no hope, nor change. Both major parties are too entrenched in status quo. Tea Party folks have pushed things in right direction-- but the majority of Americans has no stomach for the necessary cuts and adjustments. They will be jettisoned by mainstream Republicans, sad to say. Just like the Romans had to continue to up the appeasement of the mob. Only plus-- when our Republic collapses, at least the best folks will be armed to face the crooks. Libbies will be fodder for all sides.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 8, 2013 22:05:01 GMT -5
Yet they're 100% correct in the need for fiscal sanity and that it will never be achieved with the status quo. They are. The problem is that they can't express that message in any kind of a coherent way. As long as people can vote to give themselves things they will do so. Only a general economic collapse, followed by the dissolution of the United States as a political entity, will change that.
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Post by douger on Nov 8, 2013 22:06:55 GMT -5
Yet they're 100% correct in the need for fiscal sanity and that it will never be achieved with the status quo. They are. The problem is that they can't express that message in any kind of a coherent way. As long as people can vote to give themselves things they will do so. Only a general economic collapse, followed by the dissolution of the United States as a political entity, will change that. It'd be nice if it didn't have to come to that, but I can't see many alternatives.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 8, 2013 22:19:26 GMT -5
I predict that if Christie runs that he will lose, the only ones who seem to want him are lefties (who won't vote for him), and the GOP establishment types (who don't have the numbers), the rest of us want to see someone other than a moderate run for a change. Then you can expect to put a (D) back in the White House. Let me see if I can figure out how to put this delicately: moderates swing elections, and most of us regard the Tea Party as either a joke, or a millstone about the GOP's neck. That is the common wisdom, but I think that has changed. Without the base voting it doesn't matter if moderates do. Today's moderates are just lefties in disguise and I think the country is tired of it. Frankly I would rather a democrat was in charge when we crash, that way they can take the blame.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 8, 2013 22:36:49 GMT -5
Today's moderates are just lefties in disguise and I think the country is tired of it. I guess we'll see if that's true. But... I think the right believes the moderates are lefties in disguise because it has alienated them and does not understand why or how... so it assumes the problem is that they are out of reach, and the only reason it can concluded for this is that there's a philosophical divide. More simply: the more extreme you get, the more people seem to be your opponents.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 8, 2013 22:40:30 GMT -5
Today's moderates are just lefties in disguise and I think the country is tired of it. I guess we'll see if that's true. But... I think the right believes the moderates are lefties in disguise because it has alienated them and does not understand why or how... so it assumes the problem is that they are out of reach, and the only reason it can concluded for this is that there's a philosophical divide. More simply: the more extreme you get, the more people seem to be your opponents. That appears to be occurring on both sides. I don't think it will be safe in the middle for much longer.
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 0:32:35 GMT -5
Today's moderates are just lefties in disguise and I think the country is tired of it. I guess we'll see if that's true. But... I think the right believes the moderates are lefties in disguise because it has alienated them and does not understand why or how... so it assumes the problem is that they are out of reach, and the only reason it can concluded for this is that there's a philosophical divide. More simply: the more extreme you get, the more people seem to be your opponents. I'm sorry but I'm laughing my ass off at these people in here talking about moderates and lefties. Gee do you think an unbiased observer might consider the sources? Ha ha That's all I have to say.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 9, 2013 11:44:11 GMT -5
Except for Obamacare, which is basically socialized medicine, Obama actually hasn't been that far left. But I guess when you're really far right...
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 9, 2013 12:03:27 GMT -5
Obama has always lead like a closet republican. That's what his problem is.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 9, 2013 12:10:39 GMT -5
I dislike him because he kept doing the worst of what Bush started, and added socialized medicine to it.
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Post by zenwalk on Nov 9, 2013 12:16:50 GMT -5
That's what I mean by closet republican. He's off the hook regarding ACA because he was elected to do something about healthcare. Not his fault half of congress tried to torpedo him every step of the way.
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Post by redleg on Nov 9, 2013 12:56:17 GMT -5
Today's moderates are just lefties in disguise and I think the country is tired of it. I guess we'll see if that's true. But... I think the right believes the moderates are lefties in disguise because it has alienated them and does not understand why or how... so it assumes the problem is that they are out of reach, and the only reason it can concluded for this is that there's a philosophical divide. More simply: the more extreme you get, the more people seem to be your opponents. Extremism in defense of liberty is not a vice. Just because the average low intelligence, or even the low information voter don't like the rhetoric, or the language, doesn't mean it's not correct.
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