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Post by redleg on Nov 9, 2013 12:57:27 GMT -5
I guess we'll see if that's true. But... I think the right believes the moderates are lefties in disguise because it has alienated them and does not understand why or how... so it assumes the problem is that they are out of reach, and the only reason it can concluded for this is that there's a philosophical divide. More simply: the more extreme you get, the more people seem to be your opponents. I'm sorry but I'm laughing my ass off at these people in here talking about moderates and lefties. Gee do you think an unbiased observer might consider the sources? Ha ha That's all I have to say. A "moderate" is simply one without the courage to take a stand, and stick with it. Like The Puppet's favorite Republicans.
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Post by redleg on Nov 9, 2013 12:59:26 GMT -5
Except for Obamacare, which is basically socialized medicine, Obama actually hasn't been that far left. But I guess when you're really far right... Really? His complete ignorance of the Constitution? His complete disregard for the law? How about his telling people, even before his first immaculation, that if you have the money to buy a business, the government needs to take it away from you and spread it around, to the sycophants and cronies of the regime? That's not "very far Left"?
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Post by redleg on Nov 9, 2013 13:01:16 GMT -5
That's what I mean by closet republican. He's off the hook regarding ACA because he was elected to do something about healthcare. Not his fault half of congress tried to torpedo him every step of the way. No, he wasn't. He was elected because he's black. Period. That, and the fact that nothing at all is known about him before he was installed in the IL Senate, so all the lonely, ignorant and helpless little Leftists could paint whatever image they wanted on him.
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Post by douger on Nov 9, 2013 13:13:52 GMT -5
That's what I mean by closet republican. He's off the hook regarding ACA because he was elected to do something about healthcare. Not his fault half of congress tried to torpedo him every step of the way. No, he wasn't. He was elected because he's black. Period. That, and the fact that nothing at all is known about him before he was installed in the IL Senate, so all the lonely, ignorant and helpless little Leftists could paint whatever image they wanted on him. Like, wow. Period? Try the fact that Barack Obama wasn't George Bush, which a McCain presidency would have continued. Try the fact that McCain ran a poor campaign, and couldn't even get Republicans on board. Try the fact that Barack Obama was young, charismatic and idealistic, in the mold of a JFK. Try the fact that the economy cratered two months before the election. Try the fact that a very compliant media pushed an image of the New Messiah and glossed over the now very obvious warts of his lack of executive and political experience. Being black certainly played a role. But it was far more complicated than that.
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Post by redleg on Nov 9, 2013 13:54:18 GMT -5
No, he wasn't. He was elected because he's black. Period. That, and the fact that nothing at all is known about him before he was installed in the IL Senate, so all the lonely, ignorant and helpless little Leftists could paint whatever image they wanted on him. Like, wow. Period? Try the fact that Barack Obama wasn't George Bush, which a McCain presidency would have continued. Try the fact that McCain ran a poor campaign, and couldn't even get Republicans on board. Try the fact that Barack Obama was young, charismatic and idealistic, in the mold of a JFK. Try the fact that the economy cratered two months before the election. Try the fact that a very compliant media pushed an image of the New Messiah and glossed over the now very obvious warts of his lack of executive and political experience. Being black certainly played a role. But it was far more complicated than that. No, it really wasn't. One of McCain's primary problems was that The Puppet was black. He was already being accused of racism, just because he was running against a black man. Anything he did to fight back against the lies, innuendo, and mischaracterizations being thrown at him by The Puppet and the LR media would have painted him as a slave owner, keeping the blacks in slavery. Nothing was known about The Puppet, and still isn't. He was in the Senate for 145 days, no one knew who he was, and still don't. His only "qualification" was that he was black. Had he been white, he'd still be serving coffee and mopping the floor in the IL Senate, if he had even gotten that far.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 9, 2013 14:42:58 GMT -5
Extremism in defense of liberty is not a vice. Says the extremist. Of COURSE an extremist feels that his extremism is entirely justified.
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Post by douger on Nov 9, 2013 16:04:09 GMT -5
Like, wow. Period? Try the fact that Barack Obama wasn't George Bush, which a McCain presidency would have continued. Try the fact that McCain ran a poor campaign, and couldn't even get Republicans on board. Try the fact that Barack Obama was young, charismatic and idealistic, in the mold of a JFK. Try the fact that the economy cratered two months before the election. Try the fact that a very compliant media pushed an image of the New Messiah and glossed over the now very obvious warts of his lack of executive and political experience. Being black certainly played a role. But it was far more complicated than that. No, it really wasn't. One of McCain's primary problems was that The Puppet was black. He was already being accused of racism, just because he was running against a black man. Anything he did to fight back against the lies, innuendo, and mischaracterizations being thrown at him by The Puppet and the LR media would have painted him as a slave owner, keeping the blacks in slavery. Nothing was known about The Puppet, and still isn't. He was in the Senate for 145 days, no one knew who he was, and still don't. His only "qualification" was that he was black. Had he been white, he'd still be serving coffee and mopping the floor in the IL Senate, if he had even gotten that far. That's some real nice revisionist history. Start with the election of Barack Obama to the Senate in 2004 and his election as president in 2008 for proof that he was in the Senate for a few more than 145 days and work your way up from there.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 9, 2013 19:23:19 GMT -5
Except for Obamacare, which is basically socialized medicine, Obama actually hasn't been that far left. But I guess when you're really far right... That is because he doesn't do anything at all, apparently also doesn't know what others are doing either.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 9, 2013 19:24:03 GMT -5
Obama has always lead like a closet republican. That's what his problem is. He hasn't lead at all.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 9, 2013 19:25:48 GMT -5
I dislike him because he kept doing the worst of what Bush started, and added socialized medicine to it. In other words he hasn't done anything. Pelosi got the law passed, Obama plays golf, basketball, and maybe if he feels like killing someone he OK's a drone strike or two.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 9, 2013 19:27:48 GMT -5
That's what I mean by closet republican. He's off the hook regarding ACA because he was elected to do something about healthcare. Not his fault half of congress tried to torpedo him every step of the way. And failed, don't forget that. Obamacare is all dems, pubs had nothing to do with it, and have failed to delay it, change it, or repeal it. Obama illegally has changed it 19 times or more though.
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 19:55:37 GMT -5
Except for Obamacare, which is basically socialized medicine, Obama actually hasn't been that far left. But I guess when you're really far right... That is because he doesn't do anything at all, apparently also doesn't know what others are doing either. Now that's deep!
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 19:56:47 GMT -5
That's what I mean by closet republican. He's off the hook regarding ACA because he was elected to do something about healthcare. Not his fault half of congress tried to torpedo him every step of the way. And failed, don't forget that. Obamacare is all dems, pubs had nothing to do with it, and have failed to delay it, change it, or repeal it. Obama illegally has changed it 19 times or more though. Who could forget such awesome facts? Lol
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 9, 2013 21:59:26 GMT -5
He's off the hook regarding ACA because he was elected to do something about healthcare. Not his fault half of congress tried to torpedo him every step of the way. He was not. He was elected because he wasn't the Republican candidate. In a very real sense, he was elected because George W. Bush was a failure, and perhaps a little bit because no one liked or trusted Sarah Palin, or John McCain for rolling over when the GOP foisted her on him. What people really wanted him to do was (1) roll back the excesses of the Bush administration, and (2) fix the economy. He has not done (1), indeed, he has added his own excesses. And he largely ignored (2) in his pursuit of health care reform. Obama's goal with health care reform was either to get his name in the history books for Doing Something, or secure a large body of new gimmes who the Democrats can count on for votes. Or both. Basically, the man is a failure in every important way.
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Post by Moses on Nov 10, 2013 11:17:56 GMT -5
He's off the hook regarding ACA because he was elected to do something about healthcare. Not his fault half of congress tried to torpedo him every step of the way. He was not. He was elected because he wasn't the Republican candidate. In a very real sense, he was elected because George W. Bush was a failure, and perhaps a little bit because no one liked or trusted Sarah Palin, or John McCain for rolling over when the GOP foisted her on him. What people really wanted him to do was (1) roll back the excesses of the Bush administration, and (2) fix the economy. He has not done (1), indeed, he has added his own excesses. And he largely ignored (2) in his pursuit of health care reform. Obama's goal with health care reform was either to get his name in the history books for Doing Something, or secure a large body of new gimmes who the Democrats can count on for votes. Or both. Basically, the man is a failure in every important way. I think health care has been in the wish list for many way before Obama. This was perhaps the first attemp. And you can't sit there and ignore what the repubs have done to this debate. AND the corporate propaganda machine.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 10, 2013 11:23:40 GMT -5
I'm sure having others pay for their health care, and a lot of other things, is on a lot of people's wish lists. I think I read at the socialist site Workers' World that they believe automobile insurance should be an entitlement, too.
Someone wanting something is not, by itself, sufficient reason for government to do it. The Democrats are trying to secure votes by giving people things. The problem is that this is unsustainable; the more you give away, the less time it will take to crash the country.
joefriday used to bemoan the fact that the Republicans wouldn't roll over and start supporting Obama once ACA passed. I'll tell you what I told him: that's not their job.
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Post by douger on Nov 10, 2013 11:29:50 GMT -5
I'm sure having others pay for their health care, and a lot of other things, is on a lot of people's wish lists. I think I read at the socialist site Workers' World that they believe automobile insurance should be an entitlement, too. Someone wanting something is not, by itself, sufficient reason for government to do it. The Democrats are trying to secure votes by giving people things. The problem is that this is unsustainable; the more you give away, the less time it will take to crash the country. joefriday used to bemoan the fact that the Republicans wouldn't roll over and start supporting Obama once ACA passed. I'll tell you what I told him: that's not their job. I won't deny for a moment that health care - and the insurance - needs a major overhaul. It's been my contention that Obamacare took a bad situation and made it much worse. Current events are proving that premonition true. Extrapolating today's difficulties into the future doesn't bode well at all.
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Post by Moses on Nov 10, 2013 11:32:32 GMT -5
I'm sure having others pay for their health care, and a lot of other things, is on a lot of people's wish lists. I think I read at the socialist site Workers' World that they believe automobile insurance should be an entitlement, too. Someone wanting something is not, by itself, sufficient reason for government to do it. The Democrats are trying to secure votes by giving people things. The problem is that this is unsustainable; the more you give away, the less time it will take to crash the country. joefriday used to bemoan the fact that the Republicans wouldn't roll over and start supporting Obama once ACA passed. I'll tell you what I told him: that's not their job. No, national health care has been a desire for democrats. Other countries have it. Everything else sounds like a right winged play book. You don't think the repubs "give things"? You consider most repubs tough individualists not needing any enabling or pampering? Reality says otherwise. And who is this joefriday? He seems like a very important and strong individual the way he is talked so much about here.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 10, 2013 11:50:10 GMT -5
No, national health care has been a desire for democrats. Other countries have it. Other countries having a thing isn't sufficient reason to do it, either. There are steps to improve healthcare I'd have taken before socializing medicine, as the president did. You don't think the repubs "give things"? Certainly they do, and I have complained about that, as well. This board is not old enough to have a deep history of my thoughts on a wide array of topics, and the board that preceded it is gone. And who is this joefriday? He seems like a very important and strong individual the way he is talked so much about here. I think you know joe. He's a socialist known for his strong opinions, like many here, who chose not to make the jump I guess.
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Post by Moses on Nov 10, 2013 12:41:17 GMT -5
No, national health care has been a desire for democrats. Other countries have it. Other countries having a thing isn't sufficient reason to do it, either. There are steps to improve healthcare I'd have taken before socializing medicine, as the president did. You don't think the repubs "give things"? Certainly they do, and I have complained about that, as well. This board is not old enough to have a deep history of my thoughts on a wide array of topics, and the board that preceded it is gone. And who is this joefriday? He seems like a very important and strong individual the way he is talked so much about here. I think you know joe. He's a socialist known for his strong opinions, like many here, who chose not to make the jump I guess. Well I'm on the fence about this obamacare too. And I cannot imagine why Joe Friday doesn't make the jump. He is so popular here. He seems to have a lot of good friends.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 12:49:23 GMT -5
No, national health care has been a desire for democrats. Other countries have it. Other countries having a thing isn't sufficient reason to do it, either. There are steps to improve healthcare I'd have taken before socializing medicine, as the president did. You don't think the repubs "give things"? Certainly they do, and I have complained about that, as well. This board is not old enough to have a deep history of my thoughts on a wide array of topics, and the board that preceded it is gone. And who is this joefriday? He seems like a very important and strong individual the way he is talked so much about here. I think you know joe. He's a socialist known for his strong opinions, like many here, who chose not to make the jump I guess. And all of this time I thought he was merely a closet racist.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 10, 2013 13:14:02 GMT -5
Other countries having a thing isn't sufficient reason to do it, either. There are steps to improve healthcare I'd have taken before socializing medicine, as the president did. Certainly they do, and I have complained about that, as well. This board is not old enough to have a deep history of my thoughts on a wide array of topics, and the board that preceded it is gone. I think you know joe. He's a socialist known for his strong opinions, like many here, who chose not to make the jump I guess. Well I'm on the fence about this obamacare too. And I cannot imagine why Joe Friday doesn't make the jump. He is so popular here. He seems to have a lot of good friends. he was a good poster, pretty much never lost it, and since his opinions were not the mainstream for this forum he got his ideas pounded on, but he could take it without missing a beat, or reconsidering his position. It would be good to have that communist input to these threads.
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Post by redleg on Nov 11, 2013 9:23:33 GMT -5
Extremism in defense of liberty is not a vice. Says the extremist. Of COURSE an extremist feels that his extremism is entirely justified. Extremism is required sometimes. The real issue is what the extremism is in support of. You seem to see me as extremist because I demand that my government follow the law, but don't seem to see the extremism in those that demand that others pay for everything they want. You are against Puppettax because it doesn't do what The Puppet said it would do, but have no issue with the fact that it's illegal from jump street, because there is no authority for the Federal government to involve itself in health care.
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Post by douger on Nov 11, 2013 9:29:59 GMT -5
Says the extremist. Of COURSE an extremist feels that his extremism is entirely justified. Extremism is required sometimes. The real issue is what the extremism is in support of. You seem to see me as extremist because I demand that my government follow the law, but don't seem to see the extremism in those that demand that others pay for everything they want. You are against Puppettax because it doesn't do what The Puppet said it would do, but have no issue with the fact that it's illegal from jump street, because there is no authority for the Federal government to involve itself in health care. In your case, it the law according to redleg. You make no allowance that people who've made it their life's work to study the law disagree sharply over the aspects of it, yet you expect others to take your pedestrian and often incorrect view as absolute. And that's what makes you "extreme."
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Post by redleg on Nov 11, 2013 9:30:21 GMT -5
No, it really wasn't. One of McCain's primary problems was that The Puppet was black. He was already being accused of racism, just because he was running against a black man. Anything he did to fight back against the lies, innuendo, and mischaracterizations being thrown at him by The Puppet and the LR media would have painted him as a slave owner, keeping the blacks in slavery. Nothing was known about The Puppet, and still isn't. He was in the Senate for 145 days, no one knew who he was, and still don't. His only "qualification" was that he was black. Had he been white, he'd still be serving coffee and mopping the floor in the IL Senate, if he had even gotten that far. That's some real nice revisionist history. Start with the election of Barack Obama to the Senate in 2004 and his election as president in 2008 for proof that he was in the Senate for a few more than 145 days and work your way up from there. Really? What bills did he sponsor? What bills did he even vote on, other than "present"? And looking at the exact records, you are correct. At best, from the day he was installed in the Senate til he announce his exploratory committee, the Senate was in session 304 days. He essentially stopped being a Senator as soon as he announced his candidacy for President. To be fair, so did McCain, but McCain had had 22 years of Senate experience before that, out of 26 years. However, my point stands. In those 304 days, what did he do? And why is his entire past before being installed in the IL Senate sequestered?
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