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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 13:22:32 GMT -5
Yes. But they also must understand that at some point, depending on the thing, that it becomes obsolete. You don't by a circa 1940's car expecting to find parts at Pep Boys do you? Technology is no different. You want to stick with XP have at it. But don't expect newer software to work on or to be able to even run it on newer hardware. No I get them at Moss there is no Pep boys near me anyway. Well OK then.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 16, 2014 13:22:53 GMT -5
Typical opinion of software developers. The one field I have worked in where there are more people (% wise) who think their chit don't stink. You don't have to write software for a living to have an opinion. No. But if you don't write software for a living, your opinion about how it should best be done is of little value to those who do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 13:26:32 GMT -5
Typical opinion of software developers. The one field I have worked in where there are more people (% wise) who think their chit don't stink. You don't have to write software for a living to have an opinion. No. But if you don't write software for a living, your opinion about how it should best be done is of little value to those who do. If we're talking about the process of actually writing software yes, but if we're talking about the end product, I disagree 100%. Software is no different than cars. Build crap people don't want, and they don't buy it.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 16, 2014 13:28:20 GMT -5
If we're talking about the process of actually writing software yes, but if we're talking about the end product, I disagree 100%. Software is no different than cars. Build crap people don't want, and they don't buy it. You'll take what we give you and like it! Or we'll tell your boss you're an "unhelpful employee!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 13:41:00 GMT -5
LOL!
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Post by rocketwolf on Mar 16, 2014 15:16:25 GMT -5
Typical opinion of software developers. The one field I have worked in where there are more people (% wise) who think their chit don't stink. You don't have to write software for a living to have an opinion. No. But if you don't write software for a living, your opinion about how it should best be done is of little value to those who do. A business that does not listen to its customers
is a business run by fools
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Post by organgrinder on Mar 16, 2014 15:50:28 GMT -5
Typical opinion of software developers. The one field I have worked in where there are more people (% wise) who think their chit don't stink. You don't have to write software for a living to have an opinion. No. But if you don't write software for a living, your opinion about how it should best be done is of little value to those who do. I am most probably a far more accomplished musician than most people here, should I disregard the opinions and choices of music of those less qualified than me, or should I perhaps play their requests and take the money, you know how it goes; "Let he who pays the Piper call the tune"?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 16, 2014 15:51:41 GMT -5
A business that does not listen to its customers is a business run by fools Certainly. About what they want. Not about how to accomplish it. Or whether it is practical. Eventually, everything becomes obsolete. A well-planned business understands and prepares for this, and part of a vendor's job is to explain it. But there are certainly those who refuse to understand or accept. Unfortunately, not much can be done for them. Why? Because what they want slides into the realm of custom work - work where the cost can't be amortized across a wide array of customers. The price goes through the roof, which they don't want to hear, either. Custom software development is expensive, believe me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 16:46:41 GMT -5
Was moving this thread really necessary?
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Post by alienrace on Mar 16, 2014 18:10:04 GMT -5
No. But if you don't write software for a living, your opinion about how it should best be done is of little value to those who do. I am most probably a far more accomplished musician than most people here, should I disregard the opinions and choices of music of those less qualified than me, or should I perhaps play their requests and take the money, you know how it goes; "Let he who pays the Piper call the tune"? Your key phrase is "who pays the piper". Maintaining XP support isn't worth the cost of doing so, hence why Microsoft is dropping it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 18:42:56 GMT -5
Was moving this thread really necessary? Especially after three pages. DOH!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 18:46:36 GMT -5
I am most probably a far more accomplished musician than most people here, should I disregard the opinions and choices of music of those less qualified than me, or should I perhaps play their requests and take the money, you know how it goes; "Let he who pays the Piper call the tune"? Your key phrase is "who pays the piper". Maintaining XP support isn't worth the cost of doing so, hence why Microsoft is dropping it. I don't care if you like the interface or not, staying on XP just doesn't make sense if you want to use the newer software and hardware. If not, then keep the dino and and clam up about support. I've found most folks who "hate" Windows 8, haven't taken the time to learn how to use it. I got Windows 8 at the intro price and I promised myself I'd take at least a week or two and learn it. I did that and honestly, it's simple. I do spend most of my time in the regular desktop as I play computer games. But I can see getting a two monitor setup one touch screen (once they come down in price) and a regular monitor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2014 14:15:29 GMT -5
I am most probably a far more accomplished musician than most people here, should I disregard the opinions and choices of music of those less qualified than me, or should I perhaps play their requests and take the money, you know how it goes; "Let he who pays the Piper call the tune"? Your key phrase is "who pays the piper". Maintaining XP support isn't worth the cost of doing so, hence why Microsoft is dropping it. Microsoft and the US automakers use "planned obsolescence" as a normal part of doing business.
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Post by alienrace on Mar 18, 2014 14:51:59 GMT -5
Your key phrase is "who pays the piper". Maintaining XP support isn't worth the cost of doing so, hence why Microsoft is dropping it. Microsoft and the US automakers use "planned obsolescence" as a normal part of doing business. That's any software company, as software continually evolves. People just cannot expect companies to support ancient codebases. If they do, they are being unrealistic. XP was replaced over 8 years ago. It's amazing the MS supported it as long as they did. Should they support 3.1 too, since it was so great at the time?
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Post by organgrinder on Mar 18, 2014 17:02:36 GMT -5
Microsoft and the US automakers use "planned obsolescence" as a normal part of doing business. That's any software company, as software continually evolves. People just cannot expect companies to support ancient codebases. If they do, they are being unrealistic. XP was replaced over 8 years ago. It's amazing the MS supported it as long as they did. Should they support 3.1 too, since it was so great at the time? I still play music written, by Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, Hoagy Carmichael, not to mention Handel, Albinoni et Al, should I stop playing those and just shove Justin Bieber in people's Ears?
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Post by alienrace on Mar 18, 2014 17:13:28 GMT -5
That's any software company, as software continually evolves. People just cannot expect companies to support ancient codebases. If they do, they are being unrealistic. XP was replaced over 8 years ago. It's amazing the MS supported it as long as they did. Should they support 3.1 too, since it was so great at the time? I still play music written, by Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, Hoagy Carmichael, not to mention Handel, Albinoni et Al, should I stop playing those and just shove Justin Bieber in people's Ears? Sorry, but that is a ridiculous comparison. But if you want, I'll play - no, you are free to listen to Cole Porter if you wish, just don't expect him to be re-recording his songs on better equipment any time soon.
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Post by organgrinder on Mar 18, 2014 17:21:19 GMT -5
I still play music written, by Cole Porter, Jerome Kern, Hoagy Carmichael, not to mention Handel, Albinoni et Al, should I stop playing those and just shove Justin Bieber in people's Ears? Sorry, but that is a ridiculous comparison. But if you want, I'll play - no, you are free to listen to Cole Porter if you wish, just don't expect him to be re-recording his songs on better equipment any time soon. With respect, that is a ridiculous answer. If people still want to use Windows XP, then Microsoft should maintain it, at a price, and instruct it's employees (ie you software writers) to do the job that you're paid to do, not the one that you want to do. As I said earlier, it's the Piper that calls the tune.
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Post by alienrace on Mar 18, 2014 19:16:51 GMT -5
You people crack me up with your demands. Nobody owes you anything. Microsoft is going to do what is best for their business interests. If supporting XP was going to be lucrative they'd do it. It's not. End of story. The Piper is using Windows 7/8.
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Post by organgrinder on Mar 18, 2014 19:26:00 GMT -5
You people crack me up with your demands. Nobody owes you anything. Microsoft is going to do what is best for their business interests. If supporting XP was going to be lucrative they'd do it. It's not. End of story. The Piper is using Windows 7/8. "You People?"... I take it that you are employed rather than having your own business, your attitude would lose clients quicker than you could gain them.
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Post by alienrace on Mar 18, 2014 20:08:32 GMT -5
You people crack me up with your demands. Nobody owes you anything. Microsoft is going to do what is best for their business interests. If supporting XP was going to be lucrative they'd do it. It's not. End of story. The Piper is using Windows 7/8. "You People?"... I take it that you are employed rather than having your own business, your attitude would lose clients quicker than you could gain them. Actually I have more work that I can possibly do. Might want to lay off of the assumptions pal.
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Post by alienrace on Mar 18, 2014 20:13:24 GMT -5
And please tell me why Microsoft "should" support XP if it is financially a loss for them? I'd love to hear this rationale.
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Post by organgrinder on Mar 18, 2014 20:17:28 GMT -5
And please tell me why Microsoft "should" support XP if it is financially a loss for them? I'd love to hear this rationale. I don't believe that I ever suggested that Microsoft should make a loss. Go back and re read my posts.
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Post by bullmikey on Dec 4, 2014 9:41:27 GMT -5
I still run it at home on one of my computers that I use strictly for word processing. I have 7 on my main computer. My son has got 8 on his pc and I didn’t care for it at all. It loads faster than 7 but everything else is a real pain in the arse compared to 7. XP still seems to work fine and I was still getting critical updates for it as of last week, even though I received a warning from Microsoft that it was no longer going to be supported some time ago. I mainly keep this pc to write on (I prefer an older version of Word right now to the newest one) and to play a few old war games on that won’t run correctly on the newer operating system or are incompatible with multi-core processors. I also run DOS Box on it because, believe it or not, some of those old DOS based games (Harpoon 3 or the original Carriers at War, for instance) are as good as or superior to what’s out there now.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 11, 2014 22:45:33 GMT -5
At work the Ancient Dell has XP but the Co won't upgrade it as we have 3 Legacy programs that we use everyday that are DOS based. The only Upgrade we got was when it was jamming up was another branch guy from New England came down, installed an external HD and repartitioned the main HD and backed up a lot of stuff on that. I talked them into letting me put a 20" Wide LCD monitor on it to replace the old Square one and I Expensed that. This here almost 8yr old Cyberpower PC of mine still runs Vista just fine. I bumped the RAM to 4Gb from 2Gb and hooked up my own 1TB external and got a lot of stuff off the 500Gb HD to get it running a tad better. This rig set me back something like 1200 -1300 or so 7 1/2 yrs ago and basically still does everything I want. I was thinking of upgrading the GPU card but the older ASUS P5N-E SLI MB would bottleneck anything Newer. Funny though, I looked up the specs and the older Nvidea 8800GTS GPU I have has 2x the shaders than the new $150 range of cards and will still equal or better their 3D Mark scores. So I guess I'll just sit here and see how much longer this thing will keep running.
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