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Post by douger on Nov 16, 2013 14:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:13:29 GMT -5
"Rain didn't stop the revolution in Orlando." But I'll wager only having 4 people didn't help matters. Maybe 5 if you count the photographer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:15:32 GMT -5
"Photo call for the Occupy group outside the BBC building London!" Looks like there is more press than protesters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:16:37 GMT -5
Let's see the Wall street folk were allowed to stay on the mall in tents. But doing the shutdown the mower guy was threatened with arrest for cleaning around the monuments. Our government sucks.
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Post by Moses on Nov 16, 2013 19:18:52 GMT -5
Y'all just hate them because they are right about what they protest about. Those damn hippies end up being about many things. Drives you righties bonkers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:23:51 GMT -5
Let's see the Wall street folk were allowed to stay on the mall in tents. But doing the shutdown the mower guy was threatened with arrest for cleaning around the monuments. Our government sucks. You might be thinking of the immigration rally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:28:27 GMT -5
During the government shutdown an immigration rally was allowed on the allegedly closed mall. They said it was 1st Amendment reasons but I'll wager it had more to do with the immigration rally being supported by the democrats. It wasn't an OWS thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 19:30:22 GMT -5
semi on that we both agree. My mention of OWS was what they were allowed to do before any shutdown.
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Post by Moses on Nov 16, 2013 20:25:30 GMT -5
Man someone had to balance out the repubs who gleefully and eagerly bend over for corporate America.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 20:33:30 GMT -5
semi on that we both agree. My mention of OWS was what they were allowed to do before any shutdown. Okay. The way I read it was that you implied they were doing this during the shutdown. But what does it matter, Obamatax had devolved into ruling by decree.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 16, 2013 20:35:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure "bend over" is exactly the right term. The Republicans regard corporations as the only thing that matters; the individual is valueless to them. Corporations, in turn, richly reward Republicans. But as was illustrated on another thread, corporations aren't the only big spenders. Big labor is equally generous to Democrats - and its interests are not always aligned with those of the public, either.
The real problem is paid lobbying, which ought to be illegal, and political contributions, which ought to be washed by a third party so that the individual receiving the contribution has no idea from whom it came.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 20:48:18 GMT -5
semi on that we both agree. My mention of OWS was what they were allowed to do before any shutdown. Okay. The way I read it was that you implied they were doing this during the shutdown. But what does it matter, Obamatax had devolved into ruling by decree. Quite so --- sadly.
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Post by Moses on Nov 16, 2013 21:48:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure "bend over" is exactly the right term. The Republicans regard corporations as the only thing that matters; the individual is valueless to them. Corporations, in turn, richly reward Republicans. But as was illustrated on another thread, corporations aren't the only big spenders. Big labor is equally generous to Democrats - and its interests are not always aligned with those of the public, either. The real problem is paid lobbying, which ought to be illegal, and political contributions, which ought to be washed by a third party so that the individual receiving the contribution has no idea from whom it came. Yeah democrats are guilty too. Too bad unions are needed. Aggressive profit makers often lose sight of ethics. Oh well
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 22:08:46 GMT -5
Wow! All 15 of them!!
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 16, 2013 22:30:43 GMT -5
Yeah democrats are guilty too. Too bad unions are needed. Aggressive profit makers often lose sight of ethics. Oh well Of course unions are needed. I don't even regard that as "too bad" but instead as inevitable given that greed drives most people, and it seems to drive those who run corporations harder, or more commonly, than it does a random sample of the public. I suppose the kind of ambition necessary to produce a corporation of any successful size is a distilled form of greed.
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Post by Moses on Nov 16, 2013 22:37:06 GMT -5
Yeah democrats are guilty too. Too bad unions are needed. Aggressive profit makers often lose sight of ethics. Oh well Of course unions are needed. I don't even regard that as "too bad" but instead as inevitable given that greed drives most people, and it seems to drive those who run corporations harder, or more commonly, than it does a random sample of the public. I suppose the kind of ambition necessary to produce a corporation of any successful size is a distilled form of greed. Maybe one day we will progress beyond this idea of corporations being run by unethical people . Sometimes capitalism combined with greed ends up being just a polite way of enslaving people.
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Post by Moses on Nov 16, 2013 22:40:22 GMT -5
I say too bad because unions are only needed to fight unethical businesses . Ethical business ? No unions needed! Voila! That was easy.
I'm glad there are unions. I'm not even going to comment on the corrupt ones no more than the repubs here will comment on the corrupt nature of their beloved corporations as I understand the nature of the beast.
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Post by redleg on Nov 16, 2013 22:40:29 GMT -5
Y'all just hate them because they are right about what they protest about. Those damn hippies end up being about many things. Drives you righties bonkers. And what exactly are they protesting? Other than, of course, that they have to pay for their own education, their own food in some cases, and pot isn't yet free?
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Post by Moses on Nov 16, 2013 22:41:06 GMT -5
Y'all just hate them because they are right about what they protest about. Those damn hippies end up being about many things. Drives you righties bonkers. And what exactly are they protesting? Other than, of course, that they have to pay for their own education, their own food in some cases, and pot isn't yet free? Lmao
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Post by redleg on Nov 16, 2013 22:41:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure "bend over" is exactly the right term. The Republicans regard corporations as the only thing that matters; the individual is valueless to them. Corporations, in turn, richly reward Republicans. But as was illustrated on another thread, corporations aren't the only big spenders. Big labor is equally generous to Democrats - and its interests are not always aligned with those of the public, either. The real problem is paid lobbying, which ought to be illegal, and political contributions, which ought to be washed by a third party so that the individual receiving the contribution has no idea from whom it came. I would point out the health insurance companies and the current Marxist regime as well. Or are they not considered "big corporations"?
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Post by redleg on Nov 16, 2013 22:42:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure "bend over" is exactly the right term. The Republicans regard corporations as the only thing that matters; the individual is valueless to them. Corporations, in turn, richly reward Republicans. But as was illustrated on another thread, corporations aren't the only big spenders. Big labor is equally generous to Democrats - and its interests are not always aligned with those of the public, either. The real problem is paid lobbying, which ought to be illegal, and political contributions, which ought to be washed by a third party so that the individual receiving the contribution has no idea from whom it came. Yeah democrats are guilty too. Too bad unions are needed. Aggressive profit makers often lose sight of ethics. Oh well The only thing the unions are "needed" for is to launder money for the DNC. Otherwise, they would be thrown under the bus just like any other Dem constituent that is no longer able to finance the rackets.
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Post by Moses on Nov 16, 2013 22:42:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure "bend over" is exactly the right term. The Republicans regard corporations as the only thing that matters; the individual is valueless to them. Corporations, in turn, richly reward Republicans. But as was illustrated on another thread, corporations aren't the only big spenders. Big labor is equally generous to Democrats - and its interests are not always aligned with those of the public, either. The real problem is paid lobbying, which ought to be illegal, and political contributions, which ought to be washed by a third party so that the individual receiving the contribution has no idea from whom it came. I would point out the health insurance companies and the current Marxist regime as well. Or are they not considered "big corporations"? There is no Marxist regime.
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Post by redleg on Nov 16, 2013 22:44:13 GMT -5
Of course unions are needed. I don't even regard that as "too bad" but instead as inevitable given that greed drives most people, and it seems to drive those who run corporations harder, or more commonly, than it does a random sample of the public. I suppose the kind of ambition necessary to produce a corporation of any successful size is a distilled form of greed. Maybe one day we will progress beyond this idea of corporations being run by unethical people . Sometimes capitalism combined with greed ends up being just a polite way of enslaving people. And government combined with socialism always does. Corporations came about because people needed things, and someone was there to supply those things. The current government came about because people no longer wanted to be bothered with working for those things, and the Democrats were happy to steal from the producers to supply the serfs.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 16, 2013 22:44:39 GMT -5
The only thing the unions are "needed" for is to launder money for the DNC. Otherwise, they would be thrown under the bus just like any other Dem constituent that is no longer able to finance the rackets. From the party perspective that might be true. But from the perspective of unionized employees, a union keeps employers from mistreating them. If you were being mistreated by an employer you'd be the first to sign up, I'll bet. After all, you accept a pension but demand no one else receive such things as Social Security and Medicare, which they paid for while they were working.
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