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Nov 3, 2013 10:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by Moses on Nov 3, 2013 10:57:51 GMT -5
Like that is going to happen since the website does not work or provide security. Lol Mom Limbaugh . Nice links !!
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Nov 3, 2013 13:59:56 GMT -5
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 3, 2013 13:59:56 GMT -5
Like that is going to happen since the website does not work or provide security. As one of the wags in the comments said... "If you like your identity, you can keep your identity... maybe." The scammers are still working out the grifts. When they finish doing that, folks are going to see some pain. Hope you didn't need a Democratic Senate for the last two years of your term, Mr. Obama!
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Nov 3, 2013 14:12:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 14:12:49 GMT -5
EY, what you said!
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Nov 4, 2013 10:51:00 GMT -5
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2013 10:51:00 GMT -5
The White House doesn't like what's being said about Obamacare. Do they fix it? No... they use Twitter to propagandize. They have correctly realized that many Americans have a very short attention span and are easily misled. Twitter is the perfect marketing and propaganda tool. Stars... companies... and the government all realize this. We're going to get the kind of rotten government Mr. Obama represents until America wakes up.
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Nov 4, 2013 11:19:01 GMT -5
Post by douger on Nov 4, 2013 11:19:01 GMT -5
Misspoke.Most people call it "lying." Misspoke?Disclaimer: I'm pretty sure that few people will see the American Enterprise Institute as a "non partisan" think tank.
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Nov 4, 2013 11:35:32 GMT -5
Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 4, 2013 11:35:32 GMT -5
Misspoke.Most people call it "lying." Misspoke?Disclaimer: I'm pretty sure that few people will see the American Enterprise Institute as a "non partisan" think tank. What wasn't mentioned (in the quote you clipped at least) is that there seem to be way higher deductibles for the bronze, and silver plans as well. The deductibles seem so high that the birth control, and abortion costs should not even register (i.e. will be paid out of pocket anyway). I wonder how many employer plans will be gold, silver, or bronze? Only the people getting free plans do not have a deductible, hmmmm so being unemployed is way better than having a job if you have a health condition, I wonder if there will be unintended consequences of that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 11:53:03 GMT -5
sourceWait till the ACA starts up a body count. Quote of the day from the end of the article. "For a cancer patient, medical coverage is a matter of life and death. Take away people's ability to control their medical-coverage choices and they may die. I guess that's a highly effective way to control medical costs. Perhaps that's the point." Just don't call it a death panel.
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Nov 4, 2013 12:42:06 GMT -5
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Nov 4, 2013 12:43:58 GMT -5
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Post by Moses on Nov 4, 2013 12:43:58 GMT -5
One of your most thoughtful posts ever!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 13:29:06 GMT -5
sourceI'll nominate the following for the most unethical observation of the day: Write your congressmen so that you can live at the expense of others. Quote of the day: The rules were not written for your benefit.
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Nov 4, 2013 13:46:46 GMT -5
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Nov 4, 2013 15:04:17 GMT -5
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2013 15:04:17 GMT -5
There will arise a two tiered system: the best doctors for the rich people paying cash, the other doctors for everyone else. Including those in the middle class who get dropped and have no choice but to use the exchanges. If the people expecting everyone else to pay get stuck with the poorest skilled providers, well, that's what they get for asking government to solve the problem for them. Trouble is, they're taking a bunch of us along who just wanted what we had. I wonder what effect that will have on relations between the middle class and the poor? Certainly I can't afford any more charity. That money has to go to paying my new higher premiums.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 15:24:27 GMT -5
There will arise a two tiered system: the best doctors for the rich people paying cash, the other doctors for everyone else. Including those in the middle class who get dropped and have no choice but to use the exchanges. If the people expecting everyone else to pay get stuck with the poorest skilled providers, well, that's what they get for asking government to solve the problem for them. Trouble is, they're taking a bunch of us along who just wanted what we had. I wonder what effect that will have on relations between the middle class and the poor? Certainly I can't afford any more charity. That money has to go to paying my new higher premiums. This is what I am worried about. I have decent insurance but if doctors and hospitals are only going to take the gold plated variety then I could be pushed out. The more I find out about Obamacare the more disgusted I become. And I was no fan of it to begin with. I'm no fan of big government but this is starting to have me scared. Before I thought it was just the garden variety stupidity one gets out of Washington but this is looking more like inflicting pain for the hell of it. It is crossing the line from an unethical use of force to being morally wrong.
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Nov 4, 2013 15:32:04 GMT -5
Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 4, 2013 15:32:04 GMT -5
There will arise a two tiered system: the best doctors for the rich people paying cash, the other doctors for everyone else. Including those in the middle class who get dropped and have no choice but to use the exchanges. If the people expecting everyone else to pay get stuck with the poorest skilled providers, well, that's what they get for asking government to solve the problem for them. Trouble is, they're taking a bunch of us along who just wanted what we had. I wonder what effect that will have on relations between the middle class and the poor? Certainly I can't afford any more charity. That money has to go to paying my new higher premiums. This is what I am worried about. I have decent insurance but if doctors and hospitals are only going to take the gold plated variety then I could be pushed out. The more I find out about Obamacare the more disgusted I become. And I was no fan of it to begin with. I'm no fan of big government but this is starting to have me scared. Before I thought it was just the garden variety stupidity one gets out of Washington but this is looking more like inflicting pain for the hell of it. It is crossing the line from an unethical use of force to being morally wrong. Well you had better eat well, exercise, and cut out the bad habits, Oh and reduce your stress. People lived and died before there were hospitals, so I am sure we can again.
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Nov 4, 2013 15:37:16 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 15:37:16 GMT -5
It reminds me of what some comedian said. Someone told me camping was a family tradition. Well, it was everyone's tradition before housing came around. Could we survive without hospitals? Probably. It just wouldn't be very nice. So I shouldn't be doing things like this?
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Nov 4, 2013 15:50:41 GMT -5
Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 4, 2013 15:50:41 GMT -5
It reminds me of what some comedian said. Someone told me camping was a family tradition. Well, it was everyone's tradition before housing came around. Could we survive without hospitals? Probably. It just wouldn't be very nice. So I shouldn't be doing things like this?No I am sure that is fine unless you are drinking a bottle a day. Studies have shown that small amounts of alcohol taken daily are not harmful. They actually showed that people who drank moderately were in better health than those who didn't drink, or drank to excess. Of course the correlation might just be one's stress level. I don't plan on worrying about it that much.
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Nov 4, 2013 16:39:50 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 16:39:50 GMT -5
Trivia time! Just to lighten things up.
This exchange from a certain TV show seems to me to applicable to Obamacare.
Name the TV show.
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Nov 4, 2013 16:52:10 GMT -5
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2013 16:52:10 GMT -5
Babylon 5. The speaker was Elric, a technomage. He was speaking to Londo Mollari.
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Nov 4, 2013 16:56:38 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 16:56:38 GMT -5
Babylon 5. The speaker was Elric, a technomage. He was speaking to Londo Mollari. Figures you'd get it. I bet you didn't even have to look it up.
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Nov 4, 2013 16:58:46 GMT -5
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2013 16:58:46 GMT -5
Babylon 5. The speaker was Elric, a technomage. He was speaking to Londo Mollari. Figures you'd get it. I bet you didn't even have to look it up. I didn't.
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Nov 4, 2013 17:02:06 GMT -5
Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2013 17:02:06 GMT -5
I'm no fan of big government but this is starting to have me scared. Before I thought it was just the garden variety stupidity one gets out of Washington but this is looking more like inflicting pain for the hell of it. It is crossing the line from an unethical use of force to being morally wrong. I don't know if they're inflicting pain for the hell of it, exactly. It might be a giant attempt to secure the country for the Democrats and push it left, by purchasing the votes of people who couldn't get insurance with the money of the middle class, via higher premiums and tax subsidies. But regardless of which of us is correct, what Mr. Obama has done is deeply unethical. He is without question the worst president of my lifetime.
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Nov 4, 2013 17:03:02 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 17:03:02 GMT -5
He lied.
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Nov 4, 2013 17:03:45 GMT -5
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Nov 4, 2013 17:09:27 GMT -5
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I'm no fan of big government but this is starting to have me scared. Before I thought it was just the garden variety stupidity one gets out of Washington but this is looking more like inflicting pain for the hell of it. It is crossing the line from an unethical use of force to being morally wrong. I don't know if they're inflicting pain for the hell of it, exactly. It might be a giant attempt to secure the country for the Democrats and push it left, by purchasing the votes of people who couldn't get insurance with the money of the middle class, via higher premiums and tax subsidies. But regardless of which of us is correct, what Mr. Obama has done is deeply unethical. He is without question the worst president of my lifetime. Yet I'm beginning to think they know full well that their policy is hurting people yet they carry on with it for the reason you mention. To purchase to votes of people. They talk about winners and losers in the sense that if they can get enough so called winners on their side then that somehow makes it okay. It doesn't. That crosses the line from your garden variety politician being unethical to being morally wrong. They know they're hurting people but their own power is more important.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 17:09:27 GMT -5
There will arise a two tiered system: the best doctors for the rich people paying cash, the other doctors for everyone else. Including those in the middle class who get dropped and have no choice but to use the exchanges. If the people expecting everyone else to pay get stuck with the poorest skilled providers, well, that's what they get for asking government to solve the problem for them. Trouble is, they're taking a bunch of us along who just wanted what we had. I wonder what effect that will have on relations between the middle class and the poor? Certainly I can't afford any more charity. That money has to go to paying my new higher premiums. This is what I am worried about. I have decent insurance but if doctors and hospitals are only going to take the gold plated variety then I could be pushed out. The more I find out about Obamacare the more disgusted I become. And I was no fan of it to begin with. I'm no fan of big government but this is starting to have me scared. Before I thought it was just the garden variety stupidity one gets out of Washington but this is looking more like inflicting pain for the hell of it. It is crossing the line from an unethical use of force to being morally wrong. It is morally wrong and I am a bit worried as well. How much do our elected officials think we can afford? I wished I understood what Obama wanted.
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