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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:18:41 GMT -5
How low can he go? Barry could be about the only person that could possibly rehabilitate George Bush's reputation. Ouch. Outside of these forums and away from Fox George is still considered the worst Evah! Only by those that rely on government for everything they ever had, or will ever get. Serfs, in other words.
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:19:35 GMT -5
Well good question . If the obamacare thing gets popular who knows ? You mean you expect abject poverty, forced on 90% of the country, to become "popular"?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 20, 2013 20:21:28 GMT -5
davo, davinci, and baldeagle are the liberals (besides you) that I'm aware of. They all seem to support both the president and his healthcare plan and continue to defend it. So I'm not sure how honest they'd be about it, at least here.
Obama didn't send men to die, but he wasn't in a hurry to bring them home, either. Bush needed to send the armed forces to Afghanistan; their refusal to hand over bin Laden required that response. I agree that Iraq was a big mistake.
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:21:33 GMT -5
And remember, Bush didn't have the entire LR media complex doing their best to cover everything he screwed up. In fact, they were making up mistakes that didn't happen.
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:25:30 GMT -5
Miss me?More heads exploding. I disagreed sharply with many of the decisions and policy initiatives of the Bush administration. What I can appreciate is that he seems to have made those decisions based on what he thought was right for the country and without apparent regard for how those decisions would affect his "legacy." I don't ride the bus that believes Obama is intentionally destroying the country. I do, however, see Obama as an outsized egotist who is more concerned with a legacy than he is with the effects of his policies. Why not? Look at how he was raised, and by whom. He was taught, from inception, that America was bad, racist, unfair, a bully, and that capitalism was 'immoral'. Then when he allegedly went to college, he had that sort of drivel reinforced by his alleged professors. Why would you not think the destruction is intentional? "Fundamentally transforming" the country, remember?
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Post by Moses on Nov 20, 2013 20:27:28 GMT -5
By the way evil Yoda you consider yourself a fair guy and not a partisan. What do you think of the idea the Republicans have done a lot of obstruction from Congress and with the whole healthcare thing. Sure hasn't been the work of cooperation. And also what about the idea of lobbyists and big-money pouring their influence into this whole debate? This is also a factor in this debate. Big time. Just to go after Obama like this seems so simplistic and not really looking at the whole picture. I have a true interest in this issue and I am curious to see what is going to happen. And I am going to wait and see what happens. That's all. Some of the posters just going crazy. And have made the final judgment on something that's just started. That's a little bit funny and they are real partisan so I need to give them that.
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Post by Moses on Nov 20, 2013 20:27:51 GMT -5
Well good question . If the obamacare thing gets popular who knows ? You mean you expect abject poverty, forced on 90% of the country, to become "popular"? Nope
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:33:26 GMT -5
More the kind of question meant to stimulate thought. I wish there were more liberal posters here, but I can certainly understand them not wanting to take a beating over their president's complete failure on this matter. It's not over yet so it's not complete . I am not necessarily for the health care plan myself, so I can't be your liberal person. I'll bet you 1 billion bucks liberal posters would be a lot more honest about what's going on here with Obama then any Republican would be with George W. Bush and his disaster. I still find the idea that he sent guys the die still makes him a worst president than Obama just because his health care plan might be a failure and no one died.. But that's just me. People ARE dying. Their health insurance has been cancelled, and they can't get any more, because The Puppet used his incompetent, criminal cronies to 'build' his website, instead of someone that could actually turn on a computer.
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Post by stevez51 on Nov 20, 2013 20:33:42 GMT -5
Well The Repugs tried to stop it, delay it, but this turkey is all on the Dems. They ALL voted for it without a Repug vote.....
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Post by Moses on Nov 20, 2013 20:34:24 GMT -5
davo, davinci, and baldeagle are the liberals (besides you) that I'm aware of. They all seem to support both the president and his healthcare plan and continue to defend it. So I'm not sure how honest they'd be about it, at least here. Obama didn't send men to die, but he wasn't in a hurry to bring them home, either. Bush needed to send the armed forces to Afghanistan; their refusal to hand over bin Laden required that response. I agree that Iraq was a big mistake. Obama not ending the war is one of the main reasons I did not vote for him. That's one of the worst ways you can insult the man. I don't see why we need to invade Afghanistan. Osama ended up in Pakistan. Just the fact that he's moving around these countries like this shows you what a crazy war this is. Were fighting with our traditional Army religious fanatics that are not even really that organized. It's not really a war. I'm sure Saudi Arabia is our good friends, too Ha ha We're never going to win it. Just stupid. Still though if Obama fails on this health care issue I still consider an unnecessary war the worst thing. Sorry
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 20, 2013 20:35:16 GMT -5
Well The Repugs tried to stop it, delay it, but this turkey is all on the Dems. They ALL voted for it without a Repug vote..... And have repeatedly blocked ANY attempt by the GOP to try to reduce the impact. Only the insane and permanently baffled try to blame this on the GOP.
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Post by Moses on Nov 20, 2013 20:35:21 GMT -5
It's not over yet so it's not complete . I am not necessarily for the health care plan myself, so I can't be your liberal person. I'll bet you 1 billion bucks liberal posters would be a lot more honest about what's going on here with Obama then any Republican would be with George W. Bush and his disaster. I still find the idea that he sent guys the die still makes him a worst president than Obama just because his health care plan might be a failure and no one died.. But that's just me. People ARE dying. Their health insurance has been cancelled, and they can't get any more, because The Puppet used his incompetent, criminal cronies to 'build' his website, instead of someone that could actually turn on a computer. None of that is true
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:36:48 GMT -5
By the way evil Yoda you consider yourself a fair guy and not a partisan. What do you think of the idea the Republicans have done a lot of obstruction from Congress and with the whole healthcare thing. Sure hasn't been the work of cooperation. And also what about the idea of lobbyists and big-money pouring their influence into this whole debate? This is also a factor in this debate. Big time. Just to go after Obama like this seems so simplistic and not really looking at the whole picture. I have a true interest in this issue and I am curious to see what is going to happen. And I am going to wait and see what happens. That's all. Some of the posters just going crazy. And have made the final judgment on something that's just started. That's a little bit funny and they are real partisan so I need to give them that. Why should Republicans NOT obstruct it? They voted against it, warned that it would be a disaster, and they are correct. And it's been The Puppet that has let the lobbyists into the WH on a regular basis to control what's coming out of the WH. What's going to happen is a complete collapse of our economy, and people dying in the streets because they can't get health care. Because that's what The Puppet wanted.
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:38:04 GMT -5
You mean you expect abject poverty, forced on 90% of the country, to become "popular"? Nope Yet you hold out hope that Puppettax will 'become popular" when it will drive us all to poverty, and we still won't have health care.
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Post by Moses on Nov 20, 2013 20:39:24 GMT -5
Well The Repugs tried to stop it, delay it, but this turkey is all on the Dems. They ALL voted for it without a Repug vote..... And have repeatedly blocked ANY attempt by the GOP to try to reduce the impact. Only the insane and permanently baffled try to blame this on the GOP. Who has? I haven't seen anyone doing that. I must've missed it. most of the people like their country and all are probably pretty sad that is just not working. Their idea of what they see the government doing is different than yours. They wanted it to work. I really don't see much of a movement to blame Republicans except it seem like there was a lot of obstruction and it wasn't a real cooperative effort. You got to admit that.
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Post by Moses on Nov 20, 2013 20:39:48 GMT -5
Yet you hold out hope that Puppettax will 'become popular" when it will drive us all to poverty, and we still won't have health care. Nope
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:40:58 GMT -5
davo, davinci, and baldeagle are the liberals (besides you) that I'm aware of. They all seem to support both the president and his healthcare plan and continue to defend it. So I'm not sure how honest they'd be about it, at least here. Obama didn't send men to die, but he wasn't in a hurry to bring them home, either. Bush needed to send the armed forces to Afghanistan; their refusal to hand over bin Laden required that response. I agree that Iraq was a big mistake. Obama not ending the war is one of the main reasons I did not vote for him. That's one of the worst ways you can insult the man. I don't see why we need to invade Afghanistan. Osama ended up in Pakistan. Just the fact that he's moving around these countries like this shows you what a crazy war this is. Were fighting with our traditional Army religious fanatics that are not even really that organized. It's not really a war. I'm sure Saudi Arabia is our good friends, too Ha ha We're never going to win it. Just stupid. Still though if Obama fails on this health care issue I still consider an unnecessary war the worst thing. Sorry
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 20:43:04 GMT -5
Obama's latest approval ratings = 37% Latest ACA act ratings = 33%
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2013 20:45:02 GMT -5
Obama's latest approval ratings = 37% Latest ACA act ratings = 33% Bad dye job.
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Post by redleg on Nov 20, 2013 20:45:09 GMT -5
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 20, 2013 20:47:20 GMT -5
By the way evil Yoda you consider yourself a fair guy and not a partisan. What do you think of the idea the Republicans have done a lot of obstruction from Congress and with the whole healthcare thing. Some are opposing him for purely partisan reasons. They're political opportunists, but that's our system. Others oppose him because they feel that he has made a country-harming mistake. I believe this, as well. They're not required, nor should they be expected to, "roll over" and support him if they feel that what he's doing is wrong. And also what about the idea of lobbyists and big-money pouring their influence into this whole debate? Lobbyists wrote the thing, or most of it, for the Dems. They're not just on one side of the aisle. They're a fundamental problem with modern politics. I have said and continue to believe that paid lobbying (which includes lobbying paid for with membership dues) ought to be illegal. Only individuals should be permitted to send messages to Congress. I have no confidence at all in government's ability to ever do this correctly. Government, in my experience, does too much wrong for it to be trusted with something as important as healthcare.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 20, 2013 20:48:36 GMT -5
Remind me - was that video real? Or was that some right-wing parody of a liberal acting like a 2 year old?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 20, 2013 21:37:08 GMT -5
It's not over yet so it's not complete . I am not necessarily for the health care plan myself, so I can't be your liberal person. I'll bet you 1 billion bucks liberal posters would be a lot more honest about what's going on here with Obama then any Republican would be with George W. Bush and his disaster. I still find the idea that he sent guys the die still makes him a worst president than Obama just because his health care plan might be a failure and no one died.. But that's just me. People ARE dying. Their health insurance has been cancelled, and they can't get any more, because The Puppet used his incompetent, criminal cronies to 'build' his website, instead of someone that could actually turn on a computer. Not to mention that more Americans have died in Afghanistan, and Iraq since Obama has been in charge.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 21, 2013 7:01:10 GMT -5
People ARE dying. Their health insurance has been cancelled, and they can't get any more, because The Puppet used his incompetent, criminal cronies to 'build' his website, instead of someone that could actually turn on a computer. Not to mention that more Americans have died in Afghanistan, and Iraq since Obama has been in charge. Shh... you'll expose yet another example of the media covering for Obama.
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Post by leon on Nov 21, 2013 11:01:06 GMT -5
What pisses me off is that my wife and I have played by the rules to get good educations, jobs, healthcare and now the rules are changing,we will pay more for those that could not/did not work for it. Its hard enough to be middle middle class; pricing health care out of reach will make it that much harder, thru no fault of our own.
I wouldn't trust the feds to do anything, they are soooo inefficient, no accountability. How can they run healthcare when they cannot even get a budget together?
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