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Post by redleg on Dec 11, 2017 11:08:59 GMT -5
The democrats can't lose this election. They either get their candidate into the Senate, or they get a useful punching bag. It's a win/win. Franken didn't exactly fall on his sword for the cause... kinda set it down bloodlessly. But he did it "for the cause." He'll be fine. The taxpayers will be paying his speaking fees on public college campuses for a good while. The Dems should vote for Moore. If the zeitgeist is actually changing (some of us say, "It's about time!") they might manage to drive Trump out of office just as B.Clinton should have been driven out-- for treating women as a perk "important men" are entitled to. Only because the fake news media will let them do so. Since they are doing their best to hide the rapes, sexual assaults, and corruption of the Party of the KKK, of course they will focus on the scurrilous accusations against Moore. Franken will go no where. He's not going to resign, that was just kabuki theater to assuage the mindless inbreds that vote Party of the KKK. He's too reliable an anti American vote for them to get rid of him, just like the Party of the KKK still worships the rapist Waco Billy Boy.
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Post by redleg on Dec 11, 2017 11:11:32 GMT -5
Interesting post, Kemmer. But I'm not sure I agree with you. I think electing Moore would just embolden the GOPPP (Grand Old Party of Perverts and Pedophiles). If Moore wins, since Trump is in office, for the GOPPP sexual offenses matter only if you're a Democrat or if you admit to them. Keep denying that anything happened, keep insulting and denigrating the accusers, and GOPPPers can keep getting elected. I think we need to nip this in the bud. Ah, you mean like The Felon did to all those women that were raped, sexually assaulted, or abused by Waco Billy Boy? Or all the women that Conyers claims are lying because they are white? After he paid them off with taxpayer funds? We do need to nip this in the bud. We can start by impeaching all the Democrats, then making the racist Party of the KKK a nonentity, like all their "leaders" are.
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Post by demopublican on Dec 11, 2017 19:36:57 GMT -5
Insert Post with unsubstantiated extreme position and insults to other partisan group.
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Post by kemmer on Dec 12, 2017 0:48:43 GMT -5
Interesting post, Kemmer. But I'm not sure I agree with you. I think electing Moore would just embolden the GOPPP (Grand Old Party of Perverts and Pedophiles). If Moore wins, since Trump is in office, for the GOPPP sexual offenses matter only if you're a Democrat or if you admit to them. Keep denying that anything happened, keep insulting and denigrating the accusers, and GOPPPers can keep getting elected. I think we need to nip this in the bud. I wouldn't characterize the Pubbies that way. This is very much an "equal opportunity" issue, not political at all. Kings, pashas, emperors, tribal chiefs, et al, have always been "entitled" to female flesh. Some cultures even have "laws of concubinage". In wars, women have been part of the spoils, alongside gold coins, paintings, the boots of the defeated army. Consider what Rome would have been without the rape of the Sabine women. (The rabbits of Watership Down made the same error. Oh! And there's a movie-- a musical I think, but I was a child when I saw it, so I could be wrong about it being a musical-- called Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. None of the brothers was a king, but they snatched the unsuspecting girls, anyway. It was a romantic movie, probably one men only saw to indulge their girlfriends-- or because their wives dragged them to see it.) Sorry.. digress. But maybe not so much. We might actually be seeing a sea change, here. Capitalism spread wealth far and wide, allowing many more men than ever before to exercise that droit du signeur. However, it, also, lifted women (for the first time in history?) to positions of economic power in their own right. Even romance novels now require strong, independent heroines, so no more "damsels in distress" who only need a strong man to rescue them. Interesting times, indeed! ;D Footnote: We should be careful with the word "pedophile". It means someone who is attracted to a child who is too young to exhibit any secondary sexual characteristics. Doesn't matter whether the child is carrying the XX or XY chromosome, so pedophilia has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Once children have entered the first stage of puberty, they are safe from pedophiles. They have aged out of that particular danger zone. This certainly occurs by age 12, but most pedophiles would consider even a 10-year-old way too physically mature to be attractive. I hate language creep. A man who would rape a 6-year-old is very different from... Jerry Lee Lewis?
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Post by redleg on Dec 12, 2017 10:03:51 GMT -5
Interesting post, Kemmer. But I'm not sure I agree with you. I think electing Moore would just embolden the GOPPP (Grand Old Party of Perverts and Pedophiles). If Moore wins, since Trump is in office, for the GOPPP sexual offenses matter only if you're a Democrat or if you admit to them. Keep denying that anything happened, keep insulting and denigrating the accusers, and GOPPPers can keep getting elected. I think we need to nip this in the bud. I wouldn't characterize the Pubbies that way. This is very much an "equal opportunity" issue, not political at all. Kings, pashas, emperors, tribal chiefs, et al, have always been "entitled" to female flesh. Some cultures even have "laws of concubinage". In wars, women have been part of the spoils, alongside gold coins, paintings, the boots of the defeated army. Consider what Rome would have been without the rape of the Sabine women. (The rabbits of Watership Down made the same error. Oh! And there's a movie-- a musical I think, but I was a child when I saw it, so I could be wrong about it being a musical-- called Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. None of the brothers was a king, but they snatched the unsuspecting girls, anyway. It was a romantic movie, probably one men only saw to indulge their girlfriends-- or because their wives dragged them to see it.) Sorry.. digress. But maybe not so much. We might actually be seeing a sea change, here. Capitalism spread wealth far and wide, allowing many more men than ever before to exercise that droit du signeur. However, it, also, lifted women (for the first time in history?) to positions of economic power in their own right. Even romance novels now require strong, independent heroines, so no more "damsels in distress" who only need a strong man to rescue them. Interesting times, indeed! ;D Footnote: We should be careful with the word "pedophile". It means someone who is attracted to a child who is too young to exhibit any secondary sexual characteristics. Doesn't matter whether the child is carrying the XX or XY chromosome, so pedophilia has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Once children have entered the first stage of puberty, they are safe from pedophiles. They have aged out of that particular danger zone. This certainly occurs by age 12, but most pedophiles would consider even a 10-year-old way too physically mature to be attractive. I hate language creep. A man who would rape a 6-year-old is very different from... Jerry Lee Lewis? "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" is actually a great musical. One of my wife's favorites. However, the idea that powerful men see it as a "right" to abuse women is as old as mankind. The fact that there are many women that allow that behavior, because they think they will be given 'favors', wealth, or simply want to be close to the powerful is also that old. Far too often, having women make themselves 'available' for abuse gives the impression that any woman is 'available'. Not an excuse, but possibly an explanation. I think the evidence that Congressmen have been using taxpayer funds to pay off accusers is far more egregious than the actual fact of 'abuse'. Especially since 'abuse' is far too often in the eye of the accuser.
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Post by redleg on Dec 12, 2017 10:04:53 GMT -5
Insert Post with unsubstantiated extreme position and insults to other partisan group. Only 'unsubstantiated' if you've lived under a rock for the last 30 years or so.
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Post by palealeman on Dec 12, 2017 11:21:36 GMT -5
Kemmer, thanks for your thoughtful response. And I agree with you. My characterization of the GOPPP more or less refers to recent incidents when 2 notable Democrats have been forced from their positions, while the GOP Senate nominee in Alabama and the incumbent President are both given passes by their party.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 12, 2017 12:08:59 GMT -5
Kemmer, thanks for your thoughtful response. And I agree with you. My characterization of the GOPPP more or less refers to recent incidents when 2 notable Democrats have been forced from their positions, while the GOP Senate nominee in Alabama and the incumbent President are both given passes by their party. Trump has not been “given a pass.” The charges made against him range from trivial, to contradicted by eyewitnesses to denied by the accuser. Much like the Russia investigation there is little or no “there” there. Furthermore the choice was between him, and the enabler of an accused Presidential rapist. If the Democrats cared so much, they would have nominated someone not married to Bill Clinton. Then you would have been able to make an un-hypocritical charge of misogyny. But you didn’t, and here we are. The current GOP Senate nomninee has yet to win his election. If he loses, what ever will you do?
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Post by palealeman on Dec 12, 2017 13:16:01 GMT -5
Have a beer or two and continue to point out that there has been no investigation of the allegations against Trump because he continues to deny and the GOPPPP continues to accept his denials at face value. I'll also write to my Congressmen and ask that they investigate these claims.
What are you going to do?
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 12, 2017 13:43:40 GMT -5
Have a beer or two and continue to point out that there has been no investigation of the allegations against Trump because he continues to deny and the GOPPPP continues to accept his denials at face value. I'll also write to my Congressmen and ask that they investigate these claims. What are you going to do? Shrug my shoulders and laugh at the Democrats having such a hard time against a kid-toucher. The complaints against Trump are well known. I posted the Wikipedia link. There’s really not a whole lot there. And what is there is questionable.
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Post by palealeman on Dec 12, 2017 15:38:58 GMT -5
Maybe not as questionable as you think, RJ. And remember, Franken resigned from the Senate for less. Let's investigate and see what's there, what Trump is hiding.
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 12, 2017 17:45:32 GMT -5
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Post by redleg on Dec 12, 2017 20:44:59 GMT -5
Have a beer or two and continue to point out that there has been no investigation of the allegations against Trump because he continues to deny and the GOPPPP continues to accept his denials at face value. I'll also write to my Congressmen and ask that they investigate these claims. What are you going to do? There has been no crime accused against Trump. If you could read, you would have read the post by RJ, showing you that one of the accusers was discredited by eyewitnesses, another recanted her accusations, and the rest are not criminal. Period. You can hyperventilate all you want, but there is no crime. You just want your betters to waste more of our money investigating nothing.
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Post by redleg on Dec 12, 2017 20:46:35 GMT -5
Maybe not as questionable as you think, RJ. And remember, Franken resigned from the Senate for less. Let's investigate and see what's there, what Trump is hiding. No he didn't. He said he "would resign". He hasn't. Nor will he, especially if Moore wins tonight. If you want to investigate, start with Waco Billy Boy and The Felon. How about Conyers? Or any of the other dozen or so Party of the KKK slime that have also been accused.
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Post by redleg on Dec 12, 2017 20:47:48 GMT -5
He doesn't care, he just wants Trump impeached. He doesn't care if there was a crime, or anything at all, he just wants an impeachment. Doesn't know why, other than his masters telling him that's what he wants.
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Post by 3000fps on Dec 13, 2017 0:00:23 GMT -5
Kemmer, thanks for your thoughtful response. And I agree with you. My characterization of the GOPPP more or less refers to recent incidents when 2 notable Democrats have been forced from their positions, while the GOP Senate nominee in Alabama and the incumbent President are both given passes by their party.And the abortionist left have given both Kennedy and Clinton passes for life but that's different no doubt. Good thing Biden no longer has female SS agents to skinny dip for them to see.
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Post by kemmer on Dec 13, 2017 1:53:30 GMT -5
Kemmer, thanks for your thoughtful response. And I agree with you. My characterization of the GOPPP more or less refers to recent incidents when 2 notable Democrats have been forced from their positions, while the GOP Senate nominee in Alabama and the incumbent President are both given passes by their party. Thank you, too. I much prefer conversation to dueling "insults at 10 paces." Moore has lost, so (hopefully) he'll slip into silent retirement. Thing with Trump is, all this was out before the election. Everyone knew he regularly replaces wives with newer models. (Seriously, you'd think the "religious right/ sacrament of marriage" folks would have had a problem with that, but... well, here we are.) Plus, what he said about beauty pageant contestants allowing liberties... that says something about how we feel about women who want to grow up to be "beauty queens". In fact, that's what makes this such a complicated issue. Most women would greatly prefer to be beautiful, rather than ugly. Male attention is not generally unwelcome, especially when one is single. Older men an be quite attractive. Let's remember Moore was probably a LOT better looking, 30 years ago. I dated a man in his 30's when I was still a teen. He liked having a young date, and I liked the Dom Peringnon (which, apparently my budget, even today, doesn't allow me to spell correctly) and the live-theater plays. The relationship went nowhere, because he was thinking about children and family, and my biological clock was on a college/career path schedule. I have a high school friend who married a man more than 20 years older than she was (at 17). They had several children, and her husband put her through college and grad school. He left her a very well-off widow, too. Women actually have things better on that front. Consider what we think of a 20-year-old man who marries a rich woman almost twice his age. How about when a "Mrs. Robinson" seduces a high school boy? Even a middle-school boy? Many times the boy is almost congratulated when he's actually been exploited--assuming the female involved can be described as "hot". There have been Pubs who've resigned after their scandals came to light. Originally, there were calls for Moore to drop out when this news broke. However, realpolitik clicked in. The Pub majority in the Senate is tiny. It was too late to get another candidate on the ballot. Return of party support came very late. Trump had supported Moore's opponent in the primary, so he was silent until what? Two weeks ago? IMHO, the decision was that maintaining the Senate majority "trumped" everything else. (Talk about your "hold your nose and vote" practice-- EEK!) Meanwhile, the Dems are beating the drums for impeachment, as they've been doing since the election. (See: Maxine Waters.) The "Russian Plot" scenario has pretty much fallen apart. So has the "practicing foreign policy without a license" meme. "The president has no right to fire any executive branch employee appointed by the president" will not wash on Constitutional grounds. So, they're going with the whole sex thing. That might be good for them. According to practitioners in the MSM, Americans really pay attention to stories about sex. Me, I just find this whole issue interesting. One thing I'm pretty sure we'll get out of it: That taxpayer-paid-for slush fund used to foot the bill (SECRETLY!) when some woman gets (genuinely-- it does happen) sexually harassed, exploited, or abused by our elected officials will go away. Let 'em pay for their OWN misdeeds, just as we ordinary citizens must. I do believe we can all (non-partisanly) sing Hallelujah about that!
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Post by Ranger John on Dec 13, 2017 9:03:25 GMT -5
He doesn't care, he just wants Trump impeached. He doesn't care if there was a crime, or anything at all, he just wants an impeachment. Doesn't know why, other than his masters telling him that's what he wants. Well, Moore is done. So now we can talk a bit about Jones and the Democrats supporting infanticide.
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Post by palealeman on Dec 13, 2017 15:12:55 GMT -5
Kemmer, thanks for your thoughtful response. And I agree with you. My characterization of the GOPPP more or less refers to recent incidents when 2 notable Democrats have been forced from their positions, while the GOP Senate nominee in Alabama and the incumbent President are both given passes by their party.And the abortionist left have given both Kennedy and Clinton passes for life but that's different no doubt. Good thing Biden no longer has female SS agents to skinny dip for them to see. If you'd look around, you'd see my post stating that Clinton should have resigned. I can't speak much to Kennedy -- I was in school and not paying a lot of attention to politics back then. And those times were different, not an excuse but a fact. The "abortionist" left? Where in the Constitution is an unborn protected? I think abortion is wrong, but it is the law of the land at the moment. Read Roe v. Wade some time and tell me what protections there are for the unborn.
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Post by redleg on Dec 13, 2017 20:45:53 GMT -5
And the abortionist left have given both Kennedy and Clinton passes for life but that's different no doubt. Good thing Biden no longer has female SS agents to skinny dip for them to see. If you'd look around, you'd see my post stating that Clinton should have resigned. I can't speak much to Kennedy -- I was in school and not paying a lot of attention to politics back then. And those times were different, not an excuse but a fact. The "abortionist" left? Where in the Constitution is an unborn protected? I think abortion is wrong, but it is the law of the land at the moment. Read Roe v. Wade some time and tell me what protections there are for the unborn. To refresh your memory, he drove off a bridge, and left a woman to drown in his car because calling the police right away might have ended his political career. Driving drunk and killing someone often does, unless you are a Party of the KKK 'rising star'. Where in the Constitution is abortion protected? And the 19th Amendment guarantees "equal rights under the law" to all citizens. Shall we amend that to remove the protections for Democrats? After all, they are the ones that don't think human beings should be protected from murder.
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Post by demopublican on Dec 16, 2017 12:04:34 GMT -5
Roy Moore -- twice-disgraced judge -- twice removed from the bench -- someone who thinks he's above the law -- especially the law regarding the age of majority. GOPPP! (Grand Old Party of Perverts and Pedophiles). "Disgraced" how? By ignoring illegal "rulings" from atheist, Democrat "judges"? The same type of "judge" that ruled on Trump's immigration hold based on comments he made instead of the actual law? He failed to do his job. But at least the African American voters in Alabama did their jobs! #BlackVotesMatter
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Post by redleg on Dec 16, 2017 12:15:24 GMT -5
"Disgraced" how? By ignoring illegal "rulings" from atheist, Democrat "judges"? The same type of "judge" that ruled on Trump's immigration hold based on comments he made instead of the actual law? He failed to do his job. But at least the African American voters in Alabama did their jobs! #BlackVotesMatter Not sure how he "failed to do his job". He was removed for not obeying an illegal 'ruling' from another judge. Not for "not doing his job". The "African-American" voters were hoodwinked, again, into voting for continued slavery, and being ignored until the next election.
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Post by 3000fps on Dec 19, 2017 1:31:26 GMT -5
And the abortionist left have given both Kennedy and Clinton passes for life but that's different no doubt. Good thing Biden no longer has female SS agents to skinny dip for them to see. If you'd look around, you'd see my post stating that Clinton should have resigned. I can't speak much to Kennedy -- I was in school and not paying a lot of attention to politics back then. And those times were different, not an excuse but a fact. The "abortionist" left? Where in the Constitution is an unborn protected? I think abortion is wrong, but it is the law of the land at the moment. Read Roe v. Wade some time and tell me what protections there are for the unborn. I'm guess the founding fathers never thought we as a nation would sink to these levels. How were abortions done back then, bumpy carriage ride? If a thug kicked one of obamas spawn in the gut killing her "fetus" why would they be charged with murder?
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Post by palealeman on Dec 19, 2017 10:52:40 GMT -5
Again, check Roe v Wade for the basis of that decision. I'm not going to do your homework for you. But the simple answer is nowhere.
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Post by aboutwell on Dec 19, 2017 11:18:56 GMT -5
If you'd look around, you'd see my post stating that Clinton should have resigned. I can't speak much to Kennedy -- I was in school and not paying a lot of attention to politics back then. And those times were different, not an excuse but a fact. The "abortionist" left? Where in the Constitution is an unborn protected? I think abortion is wrong, but it is the law of the land at the moment. Read Roe v. Wade some time and tell me what protections there are for the unborn. I'm guess the founding fathers never thought we as a nation would sink to these levels. How were abortions done back then, bumpy carriage ride? If a thug kicked one of Obama's spawn in the gut killing her "fetus" why would they be charged with murder? The Constitution back then didn't consider women, Blacks, or even non-property-owners to be a part of "We the People"... and an UNBORN baby/fetus... whatever you want to call it... is not yet a citizen of the United States and therefore is not guaranteed all the rights, privileges, and protections of the U.S. Constitution as a citizen... Who do you refer to when you say "Obama's spawn?"...
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