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Post by aboutwell on Jan 13, 2018 17:51:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the analysis, Kemmer. What you fail to mention -- what a lot of people seem to be ignoring -- is that the President is calling for limiting immigration from nations whose populations are mostly Black in favor of nations whose populations are mostly White. But that's what we expect from racists and white supremacists. And the people on this board who agree with the President's statements are showing what side of the road they are on. You’re full of it PAM. 1) Kemmer specifically addressed this in her post, noting that when we opened up immigration in the ‘60s the laws were written in a way that unfairly favored third world countries. 2) Trump is disfavoring COUNTRIES again, not races. Craphole countries are notorious for craphole education systems, craphole legal systems, and craphole cultures. These people do tend to treat gays, women and other minorities atrociously, The Pulse Nightclub shooting being a prime example of what happens when you mix virulent jihadi Islam with raging homophobia. Sure, Mateen was born in the US, but his religious beliefs came right from ISIS. 3). I know, like all liberals, you’re EXTREMELY race-obsessed. I don’t know why you are unable to distinguish race from country of origin, but simply squealing racism at everything Trump does is simply not going to work. In part because clueless, bigoted idiots have been screaming “RACIST!” at everyone and everything associated with the Republican Party for 40 years. No one with two brain cells to rub together cares anymore. You’ve all over-used that accusation to the point that it has lost all meaning. You’re doing the same with Nazis, and you all need to knock it the eff off before people stop taking that seriously too. You’ve already screwd over minority communities by defining racism down to a meaningless word, I’d really rather the Nazis not be able to come out of the shadows any more than they already do. Talk about "being full of it?"... Trump was disfavoring those COUNTRIES because they are primarily filled with people of color... no other reason... all these countries have their good points and their bad... the people is to whom he was referring... don't try to fool yourself...
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 13, 2018 17:55:20 GMT -5
Every place has "stuffholes"... your state and county... my state and county... it is very un-presidential for ANY U.S. President to use this kind of language when referring to people from ANY other location other than his... we what we ALL KNOW is where HE comes from... surrounded by gold fittings and trim, don't we?... not everyone can... or even wants to... live in such surroundings... Even the UN "World Toilet Day" says that 60% of the world's population don't have operational toilets. That means that Trump was literally correct. Race has nothing to do with it except for the racist Left that declares that sh*thole countries are only black or hispanic. Here are a few interesting statistics, straight from the U.N.: - Around 60% of the global population – 4.5 billion people – have either no toilet at home or one that doesn't safely manage excreta. -862 million people worldwide still practi[c]e open defecation. - 1.8 billion people use an unimproved source of drinking water with no protection against contamination from [feces]. - Globally, 80% of the wastewater generated by society flows back into the ecosystem without being treated or reused. - Only 39% of the global population (2.9 billion people) use a safely[] managed sanitation service [–] that is, excreta safely disposed of in situ or treated off-site. - Combined with safe water and good hygiene, improved sanitation could prevent around 842,000 deaths each year. I didn't have indoor plumbing till I was a teenager... I made it just fine... didn't realize that I lived in a stuffhouse...
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Post by redleg on Jan 13, 2018 19:08:29 GMT -5
Even the UN "World Toilet Day" says that 60% of the world's population don't have operational toilets. That means that Trump was literally correct. Race has nothing to do with it except for the racist Left that declares that sh*thole countries are only black or hispanic. Here are a few interesting statistics, straight from the U.N.: - Around 60% of the global population – 4.5 billion people – have either no toilet at home or one that doesn't safely manage excreta. -862 million people worldwide still practi[c]e open defecation. - 1.8 billion people use an unimproved source of drinking water with no protection against contamination from [feces]. - Globally, 80% of the wastewater generated by society flows back into the ecosystem without being treated or reused. - Only 39% of the global population (2.9 billion people) use a safely[] managed sanitation service [–] that is, excreta safely disposed of in situ or treated off-site. - Combined with safe water and good hygiene, improved sanitation could prevent around 842,000 deaths each year. I didn't have indoor plumbing till I was a teenager... I made it just fine... didn't realize that I lived in a stuffhouse... I'm proud of you. However, that doesn't mean we should import those from entire countries that live that way. There is no right to come here. We don't need to import more illiterates, Socialists, or other Democrats. And that's the only reason Dems want unfettered, unvetted immigration. They want a permanent underclass, beholden to government freebies stolen from the productive. They want as many from Socialist or Islamic countries as they can get, because they can't get Americans to vote Dem any more. The "leaders" of the Dem Party think they will be safe behind their gated, armed communities, and couldn't care less what happens to the rest of us. They know that importing illegal Democrats from corrupt Third World countries means they have a ready population of slaves, used to being told what to do by their "betters" in government.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 13, 2018 19:32:35 GMT -5
We're not "importing" these people like they were collateral or something... these are people immigrating here... and more of them have college degrees (percentage wise) from those countries mentioned than do Americans here... and more have graduate degrees than Americans here... and don't fool yourself, ALL are properly vetted...
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Post by redleg on Jan 13, 2018 19:38:39 GMT -5
We're not "importing" these people like they were collateral or something... these are people immigrating here... and more of them have college degrees (percentage wise) from those countries mentioned than do Americans here... and more have graduate degrees than Americans here... and don't fool yourself, ALL are properly vetted... Yes, we are. Or were, under The Puppet. He put out an open invitation to anyone from any Third World country to come here, get welfare, food stamps, jobs, medical care, education indoctrination, and even told them that they could vote in our elections, with no consequences. He, and his criminal syndicate were importing them as fast as they could. As for "college degrees", if that's true, why are over half of them illiterate, even in their own languages. They can't speak English, can't do math, can't do much of anything more challenging than picking corps or painting houses. You have been lied to. The average illegal is a serf for the Democrats, uneducated, illiterate, and not willing to do much to change that. That's why they live in enclaves of their own countrymen, and refuse to assimilate.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 13, 2018 20:15:50 GMT -5
We're not "importing" these people like they were collateral or something... these are people immigrating here... and more of them have college degrees (percentage wise) from those countries mentioned than do Americans here... and more have graduate degrees than Americans here... and don't fool yourself, ALL are properly vetted... Yes, we are. Or were, under The Puppet. He put out an open invitation to anyone from any Third World country to come here, get welfare, food stamps, jobs, medical care, education indoctrination, and even told them that they could vote in our elections, with no consequences. He, and his criminal syndicate were importing them as fast as they could. As for "college degrees", if that's true, why are over half of them illiterate, even in their own languages. They can't speak English, can't do math, can't do much of anything more challenging than picking corps or painting houses. You have been lied to. The average illegal is a serf for the Democrats, uneducated, illiterate, and not willing to do much to change that. That's why they live in enclaves of their own countrymen, and refuse to assimilate. Do you have anything from anything close to a reliable source that proves that anything you have just claimed is true or not?...
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 13, 2018 20:19:15 GMT -5
You’re full of it PAM. 1) Kemmer specifically addressed this in her post, noting that when we opened up immigration in the ‘60s the laws were written in a way that unfairly favored third world countries. 2) Trump is disfavoring COUNTRIES again, not races. Craphole countries are notorious for craphole education systems, craphole legal systems, and craphole cultures. These people do tend to treat gays, women and other minorities atrociously, The Pulse Nightclub shooting being a prime example of what happens when you mix virulent jihadi Islam with raging homophobia. Sure, Mateen was born in the US, but his religious beliefs came right from ISIS. 3). I know, like all liberals, you’re EXTREMELY race-obsessed. I don’t know why you are unable to distinguish race from country of origin, but simply squealing racism at everything Trump does is simply not going to work. In part because clueless, bigoted idiots have been screaming “RACIST!” at everyone and everything associated with the Republican Party for 40 years. No one with two brain cells to rub together cares anymore. You’ve all over-used that accusation to the point that it has lost all meaning. You’re doing the same with Nazis, and you all need to knock it the eff off before people stop taking that seriously too. You’ve already screwd over minority communities by defining racism down to a meaningless word, I’d really rather the Nazis not be able to come out of the shadows any more than they already do. Oh, RJ, there you go again, trying to defend the indefensible. (1) As Kemmer and you point out, immigration policies were changed for a reason. As Kemmer points out, and you conveniently ignore, is that fact that many, perhaps most, of the immigrants from those countries come to America, appreciate the opportunity, and do very well. So what's the problem that the President has with them? As the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. (2) Trump is defining countries, not races, you claim. Like with the travel bans . . . that were overturned by the Courts. Again, if the immigrants from those countries come here and do well, what's the problem? Other than those citizens are black. Several years ago my son worked with a guy from Africa (can't remember the country other than central Africa. He came here to go to school, and when he finished he went back to his country to work and help. Maybe if we took in more people from those sort of countries, let them go to school and then return to their countries, maybe there'd be some improvement there. And Norway seems to be doing pretty good on its own. So, you're living in a reality where the courts overturned Trump's EO. In this reality, SCOTUS has allowed the EO to be implemented, because of the obvious national security issues that are involved when people come here from countries with hostile governments or governments that are unable to vet potential immigrants. Sadly, you claimed the EO was about race, when in fact it was about being able to screen out potential terrorists. Because you insist on making EVERYTHING about race, even when it obviously isn't. This kills your credibility when an actual racial problem comes up. It's called "crying wolf". You should read up on that if you want to be taken seriously. Your travel ban comments are a perfect example of you crying racism where it doesn't exist. In fact, most of the above paragraph is more reflective of racism on your part than Trump's. The Nazis are socialists. They're leftists, just like you. And they are race obsessed just like you. You see racism everywhere because race is the only thing you see. You are what you hate, and you lack the self awareness to see it.
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Post by 3000fps on Jan 14, 2018 2:29:31 GMT -5
Ever been to Haiti? Trump was spot on with his statement. From 500' it looked like an island paradise but once on the ground it looked like Hiroshima and that was long long before the earthquake. His comparison to a **ithole is an insult to **itholes. Haiti is an island nation... it has it's good places... and it's bad... so does Baltimore... and other U.S. cities... If Haiti has ANY good places it's uninhabited beach or jungle. The rest is filthy, the French has a habit of dumping their garbage. Baltimore over the last 35 years is no better than Haiti. I've seen them both close up, they're shilholes.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 14, 2018 9:17:04 GMT -5
Not going to paste everything all over again, RJ. Takes up too much space. And thereY's not much need to repeat your indefensible comments.
You claim that the travel ban is about vetting. We already vet -- sometimes taking up to 2 years to do so.
You claim that the travel ban is about keeping terrorists out. And, out of over a quarter of a million immigrants from these "terrorist" countries, we've had, what, 2 or 3 terrorists who have made it in? Not a real bad percentage. Looks like the vetting works pretty well. On the other hand, there's no travel ban on the countries where the 9-11 highjackers came from. If this ban is really about trying to keep terrorists out, why not ban people from Saudi Arabia and Egypt too?
And, since you're such a legal scholar, I'm sure you know that there's a 1965 immigration law banning discrimination based on national origin. In other words, Trump's restrictions are illegal.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 14, 2018 10:15:15 GMT -5
Not going to paste everything all over again, RJ. Takes up too much space. And thereY's not much need to repeat your indefensible comments. You claim that the travel ban is about vetting. We already vet -- sometimes taking up to 2 years to do so. This is utterly meaningless when there is no viable government on the other end, or it's a government that is hostile to the US. When someone comes in from a county like Syria, who would you talk to about what sort of criminal history he or she has? ISIS? If they come in from Somalia, are they going to ask the local pirate captain? If they come from Iran, we could ask the Ayatollah, but what are the odds the Ayatollah would tell us "yeah, that guy is part of our Quds Force?" Saudi Arabia and Egypt are at least nominally allies, and they cooperate with our vetting process. And back to your bogus "RACISM!" claims, if this is really about trying to keep brown people out, why didn't they try to ban people from Saudi Arabia and Egypt? The Supreme Court begs to differ: www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-travel-ban-supreme-court-allows-full-enforcement-of-travel-ban/I mean, seriously, where have you been the last couple months? These "indefensible comments" I supposedly made have all gone before the Supreme Court which found them ENTIRELY defensible. Obviously "indefensible comments" doesn't mean what you think it means.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 15, 2018 14:06:18 GMT -5
Here you go again, RJ.
We can't vet when there's no government or there is a hostile government on the other end. You mention Syria. From which we've been taking refugees for the last 2 or 3 years, if not longer. And there doesn't seem to be problem with the vetting, which takes 18 - 24 months. But we do with with Syria -- from which the 9/11 hijackers entered the US. Maybe we do a better job when there is no government or a hostile government on the other end. The fact that there have been 2 or 3 terrorists who slipped through out of over a quarter million immigrants seems to say so.
And, remember, reading is fundamental. You might want to reread the CBS article you linked to. The Supreme Court did not find the travel ban "entirely defensible." It allowed the ban to be put into place while it is being appealed. It it were actually approved, the appeals would be done. Since they are not, it's entirely possible that the ban could be found to be unconstitutional and shut down . . . again.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 15, 2018 15:17:12 GMT -5
Here you go again, RJ. We can't vet when there's no government or there is a hostile government on the other end. You mention Syria. From which we've been taking refugees for the last 2 or 3 years, if not longer. And there doesn't seem to be problem with the vetting, which takes 18 - 24 months. But we do with with Syria -- from which the 9/11 hijackers entered the US. Maybe we do a better job when there is no government or a hostile government on the other end. The fact that there have been 2 or 3 terrorists who slipped through out of over a quarter million immigrants seems to say so. And, remember, reading is fundamental. You might want to reread the CBS article you linked to. The Supreme Court did not find the travel ban "entirely defensible." It allowed the ban to be put into place while it is being appealed. It it were actually approved, the appeals would be done. Since they are not, it's entirely possible that the ban could be found to be unconstitutional and shut down . . . again. That’s a nice logic pretzel you’ve twisted yourself into. No one knows how many jihadis we have or haven’t stopped coming from Syria. This is simple common sense immigration control. And the Supreme Court had the opportunity to say “this seems racist or illegal” and continue the injunctions. Clearly it doesn’t think the EO is a significant problem, or it would have left the lower court injunctions in place. You’re going to have a hell of a time when SCOTUS pops your bubble on this.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 15, 2018 16:41:56 GMT -5
Well, RJ, according to the Cato Institute, "No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, . . ." That sounds like things are pretty secure and that the vetting is working pretty well. And the 3 that did get through were from Cuba, not a Muslim country. Sounds like common sense controls are working very well. Again, if it ain't broke, . . . .
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 15, 2018 19:03:06 GMT -5
Well, RJ, according to the Cato Institute, "No person accepted to the United States as a refugee, Syrian or otherwise, has been implicated in a major fatal terrorist attack since the Refugee Act of 1980 set up systematic procedures for accepting refugees into the United States, . . ." That sounds like things are pretty secure and that the vetting is working pretty well. And the 3 that did get through were from Cuba, not a Muslim country. Sounds like common sense controls are working very well. Again, if it ain't broke, . . . . 1) limiting this only to refugees and acts of terror is a giveaway that this is all about hating Trump rather than reality. 2) Again, pointing to what hasn’t happened is no reason to ignore what might happen. Who in Syria would be a reasonable source to ask about the criminal history of an immigrant? ISIS?
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Post by kemmer on Jan 16, 2018 0:27:16 GMT -5
Got a little bit of thread creep here-- (not that that's a bad thing.)
Let's get back to how we skew immigration-- and the reasons we might want to. Let us, also, contemplate the process of assimilation-- turning those "huddled masses" into proper Americans. (Yes, I said proper; so sue me.) It is not an easy process. Sometimes, as in the 1920's, it requires closing the borders before the native culture is overwhelmed. Sometimes (ALWAYS???), it requires a native culture that actually believes it has something good to offer new immigrants. (A lot of us fear many Americans currently in power no longer believe that.)
I recommend a book: Managers of Virtue, by David Tyack & Elisabeth Hansot. The subtitle is: "Public School Leadership in America, 1820-1980." (Damn, I hope it's still available, someplace, hopefully in public libraries.)
It is a fascinating history of how schools were used to promote values, both Christian and democratic. (Sunday Schools are included.) It's clear exactly how native Americans viewed the influx of Slavs, et al,-- racially inferior, with no idea of how to behave in a democratic society...or any civilized society, for that matter. Not only that, but, they were *shudder* Papists! (Can't really blame those nativists. After all, they'd barely finished socializing the drunken Irish when all those Slavs began rushing in. Cheap labor is great and all, but really, one must draw the line someplace.)
Now, speaking of places like Haiti and El Salvador (hell-holes, in this discussion) do the inhabitants eager to come here for a better life know how to go about achieving that, once here? Do they understand exactly what makes their "old countries" places to run away from? Or, will they, in their ignorance, merely reproduce their political culture, here?
I am from the Ellis Island cohort, second generation. My grandparents were serfs who escaped Eastern Europe. My "people" were the ones locked out of the US when the immigration laws were written to skew entry towards folks from the British Isles and Germany-- the Netherlands, too, I suppose, given that New York was originally New Amsterdam. Yes, it was racial discrimination against me and my "ilk". That sounds just awful... except...
Take a look at the places the Ellis Island folks came from. Look at the societies they built for themselves in the 20th century. Anybody here looking to emigrate to Russia, Poland, Serbia? Y'all might think Lenin or Stalin somehow managed to whip millions of unwilling people into involuntary servitude singlehandedly, but... seriously? There's a reason why Communist totalitarianism flourishes ONLY where people are already accustomed to serfdom.
I'd say those "nativists" dodged a bullet when they closed the borders and deliberately assimilated those Ellis Island folks. I'm glad they did. (And, since America is a "borrowing culture" I can still get keilbasa anytime I want-- even on a bun at a Presbyterian Church picnic.)
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Post by 3000fps on Jan 16, 2018 0:52:43 GMT -5
Got a little bit of thread creep here-- (not that that's a bad thing.) I'd say those "nativists" dodged a bullet when they closed the borders and deliberately assimilated those Ellis Island folks. I'm glad they did. (And, since America is a "borrowing culture" I can still get keilbasa anytime I want-- even on a bun at a Presbyterian Church picnic.) But Ms Kemmer, the IMPORTANT question is can you get a real home made Slovak Kolache??? Kielbasa can be had most anywhere.... Kolache, not so much!
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Post by redleg on Jan 16, 2018 9:38:30 GMT -5
You’re full of it PAM. 1) Kemmer specifically addressed this in her post, noting that when we opened up immigration in the ‘60s the laws were written in a way that unfairly favored third world countries. 2) Trump is disfavoring COUNTRIES again, not races. Craphole countries are notorious for craphole education systems, craphole legal systems, and craphole cultures. These people do tend to treat gays, women and other minorities atrociously, The Pulse Nightclub shooting being a prime example of what happens when you mix virulent jihadi Islam with raging homophobia. Sure, Mateen was born in the US, but his religious beliefs came right from ISIS. 3). I know, like all liberals, you’re EXTREMELY race-obsessed. I don’t know why you are unable to distinguish race from country of origin, but simply squealing racism at everything Trump does is simply not going to work. In part because clueless, bigoted idiots have been screaming “RACIST!” at everyone and everything associated with the Republican Party for 40 years. No one with two brain cells to rub together cares anymore. You’ve all over-used that accusation to the point that it has lost all meaning. You’re doing the same with Nazis, and you all need to knock it the eff off before people stop taking that seriously too. You’ve already screwd over minority communities by defining racism down to a meaningless word, I’d really rather the Nazis not be able to come out of the shadows any more than they already do. Talk about "being full of it?"... Trump was disfavoring those COUNTRIES because they are primarily filled with people of color... no other reason... all these countries have their good points and their bad... the people is to whom he was referring... don't try to fool yourself... Really? So, they are coming here because their countries are so wonderful? Really? You are simply parroting the racists, that the countries are sh*tholes because they are full of blacks or hispanics. Instead of admitting that the governments, which we have been supporting in most cases, are corrupt.
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Post by redleg on Jan 16, 2018 9:43:49 GMT -5
Yes, we are. Or were, under The Puppet. He put out an open invitation to anyone from any Third World country to come here, get welfare, food stamps, jobs, medical care, education indoctrination, and even told them that they could vote in our elections, with no consequences. He, and his criminal syndicate were importing them as fast as they could. As for "college degrees", if that's true, why are over half of them illiterate, even in their own languages. They can't speak English, can't do math, can't do much of anything more challenging than picking corps or painting houses. You have been lied to. The average illegal is a serf for the Democrats, uneducated, illiterate, and not willing to do much to change that. That's why they live in enclaves of their own countrymen, and refuse to assimilate. Do you have anything from anything close to a reliable source that proves that anything you have just claimed is true or not?... humanevents.com/2014/07/01/obamas-illegal-immigration-invitation/cis.org/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-Households-Children
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Post by redleg on Jan 16, 2018 9:49:16 GMT -5
Not going to paste everything all over again, RJ. Takes up too much space. And thereY's not much need to repeat your indefensible comments. You claim that the travel ban is about vetting. We already vet -- sometimes taking up to 2 years to do so. You claim that the travel ban is about keeping terrorists out. And, out of over a quarter of a million immigrants from these "terrorist" countries, we've had, what, 2 or 3 terrorists who have made it in? Not a real bad percentage. Looks like the vetting works pretty well. On the other hand, there's no travel ban on the countries where the 9-11 highjackers came from. If this ban is really about trying to keep terrorists out, why not ban people from Saudi Arabia and Egypt too? And, since you're such a legal scholar, I'm sure you know that there's a 1965 immigration law banning discrimination based on national origin. In other words, Trump's restrictions are illegal. Why should we allow anyone to come here? There is no right to "immigrate" to the US. Period. We can use whatever parameters we want to exclude anyone from anywhere. And the "judge" that "stopped" the ban is one that should be impeached immediately. He either never read the Constitution, or chose to impose his Communist agenda rather that follow the actual law. The President has almost exclusive powers over immigration.
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 16, 2018 11:17:02 GMT -5
Talk about "being full of it?"... Trump was disfavoring those COUNTRIES because they are primarily filled with people of color... no other reason... all these countries have their good points and their bad... the people is to whom he was referring... don't try to fool yourself... Really? So, they are coming here because their countries are so wonderful? Really? You are simply parroting the racists, that the countries are sh*tholes because they are full of blacks or hispanics. Instead of admitting that the governments, which we have been supporting in most cases, are corrupt. Didn't say all, or any, of these countries were wonderful... just that they aren't all stuffholes... maybe they see opportunities here that they don't see there... we are a great country, you know...
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 16, 2018 11:27:38 GMT -5
I saw NOTHING in either of these two articles that comes close to your claim that President Obama... "put out an open invitation to anyone from any Third World country to come here, get welfare, food stamps, jobs, medical care, education indoctrination, and even told them that they could vote in our elections, with no consequences." Try again...
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Post by redleg on Jan 16, 2018 21:58:11 GMT -5
Really? So, they are coming here because their countries are so wonderful? Really? You are simply parroting the racists, that the countries are sh*tholes because they are full of blacks or hispanics. Instead of admitting that the governments, which we have been supporting in most cases, are corrupt. Didn't say all, or any, of these countries were wonderful... just that they aren't all stuffholes... maybe they see opportunities here that they don't see there... we are a great country, you know... They are sh*tholes. Their people do their best to leave at the first opportunity. There are no opportunities, there is barely the opportunity to survive. Most of them have no water, no electricity, no toilets, many people live in tarpaper or tin hovels, that they put up out of scrap, just to have a roof over their heads. There are no jobs, and their governments are so corrupt that no jobs will ever be available. Crime is exhorbitant, and no one cares.
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Post by redleg on Jan 16, 2018 22:04:10 GMT -5
I saw NOTHING in either of these two articles that comes close to your claim that President Obama... "put out an open invitation to anyone from any Third World country to come here, get welfare, food stamps, jobs, medical care, education indoctrination, and even told them that they could vote in our elections, with no consequences." Try again... That's because you refuse to acknowledge it. He invited parents to 'send their kids' here. What do you think was going to happen once those kids got here? So, listen to The Puppet in his own words. Telling illegals not to worry about voting, no one will be checking on you. www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs
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Post by aboutwell on Jan 17, 2018 2:41:59 GMT -5
Didn't say all, or any, of these countries were wonderful... just that they aren't all stuffholes... maybe they see opportunities here that they don't see there... we are a great country, you know... They are sh*tholes. Their people do their best to leave at the first opportunity. There are no opportunities, there is barely the opportunity to survive. Most of them have no water, no electricity, no toilets, many people live in tarpaper or tin hovels, that they put up out of scrap, just to have a roof over their heads. There are no jobs, and their governments are so corrupt that no jobs will ever be available. Crime is exhorbitant, and no one cares. So, you think a cardboard box house is better here?...
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Post by redleg on Jan 17, 2018 10:05:39 GMT -5
They are sh*tholes. Their people do their best to leave at the first opportunity. There are no opportunities, there is barely the opportunity to survive. Most of them have no water, no electricity, no toilets, many people live in tarpaper or tin hovels, that they put up out of scrap, just to have a roof over their heads. There are no jobs, and their governments are so corrupt that no jobs will ever be available. Crime is exhorbitant, and no one cares. So, you think a cardboard box house is better here?... Irrelevant. Here, we have Democrat enclaves, so of course we have sh*tholes as well. However, the entire country is not a sh*thole. Unlike, say Somalia, where the only people that have actual houses are the warlords, who steal all the money we send to them. Same with Haiti. El Salvador is often considered the most violent country in the hemisphere, sometimes in the world, so I'm sure you vacation there every year. Besides, why are we importing more illegal Democrats, when that money could be used to help Americans that are living in cardboard boxes?
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