$#!thole countries

[Ranger John]

www.yahoo.com/news/reaction-trumps-comments-africa-haiti-005856324.html

So, everyone is Outraged! again.

First, it’s reasonable to stipulate that Trump’s comments were unpresidential, impolite, and boorish. Traits we already know define this President.

With that said, he didn’t say anything that 85% of the US doesn’t already think. And the remaining 15% are out of touch elitists who think places like Haiti, Somalia, Zimbabwe and Sudan are just undiscovered paradises.

[breakingbad]

Even if true, it's very unpresidential to say. He really needs to just STFU when he gets these urges.

[Ranger John]

Jan 12, 2018 8:20:17 GMT -5 breakingbad said:

Even if true, it's very unpresidential to say. He really needs to just STFU when he gets these urges.

I agree. This reflects poorly on the country. He didn’t have to be so rude. I wish someone would polish the turd in the White House, too.

But, here’s the thing: countries like Haiti, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, etc ARE crap-holes, and this statement was made in a closed door meeting. The people who threw it in front of the media are as much of a problem as Trump.

[redleg]

Jan 12, 2018 8:20:17 GMT -5 breakingbad said:

Even if true, it's very unpresidential to say. He really needs to just STFU when he gets these urges.

The only reason it's considered "unPresidential" is because, in this day and age, every syllable of every word a President speaks is then thrown out to the public, if it's a Pub, or hidden for decades if it's a Dem. Do you really think Waco Billy Boy didn't use the same language, all the time, about all sorts of subjects? LBJ is known to have held "discussions" while he was on the crapper. The only difference is, the fake news media was interested in hiding it from the public. With Trump, they are anxious to make up lies about what he said or did. We have no idea if that's what he really said, or if that's the "interpretation" by a Marxist sycophant that wasn't even there.

[Ranger John]

Jan 12, 2018 12:57:39 GMT -5 redleg said:

Jan 12, 2018 8:20:17 GMT -5 breakingbad said:

Even if true, it's very unpresidential to say. He really needs to just STFU when he gets these urges.

The only reason it's considered "unPresidential" is because, in this day and age, every syllable of every word a President speaks is then thrown out to the public, if it's a Pub, or hidden for decades if it's a Dem. Do you really think Waco Billy Boy didn't use the same language, all the time, about all sorts of subjects? LBJ is known to have held "discussions" while he was on the crapper. The only difference is, the fake news media was interested in hiding it from the public. With Trump, they are anxious to make up lies about what he said or did. We have no idea if that's what he really said, or if that's the "interpretation" by a Marxist sycophant that wasn't even there.

This is a good point. Trump is no worse than LBJ on the crassness scale. And Democrats consider him something of a hero. He even has his own presidential memorial in DC.

Of course Johnson wasn’t fit to be president either.

[redleg]

Jan 12, 2018 13:36:24 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

Jan 12, 2018 12:57:39 GMT -5 redleg said:

The only reason it's considered "unPresidential" is because, in this day and age, every syllable of every word a President speaks is then thrown out to the public, if it's a Pub, or hidden for decades if it's a Dem. Do you really think Waco Billy Boy didn't use the same language, all the time, about all sorts of subjects? LBJ is known to have held "discussions" while he was on the crapper. The only difference is, the fake news media was interested in hiding it from the public. With Trump, they are anxious to make up lies about what he said or did. We have no idea if that's what he really said, or if that's the "interpretation" by a Marxist sycophant that wasn't even there.

This is a good point. Trump is no worse than LBJ on the crassness scale. And Democrats consider him something of a hero. He even has his own presidential memorial in DC.

Of course Johnson wasn’t fit to be president either.

While I agree about LBJ, if coarse language is a disqualifier for President, I would suspect that we've never had a qualified person for President.

[redleg]

I find it hilarious that the Marxist snowflakes are melting down about Trump's "racist" comment on sh*thole countries, but they are the ones declaring that the countries in question are sh*tholes because they are peopled by blacks and browns. I guess they never learned about the dangers of commenting while stupid.

[Ranger John]

Jan 12, 2018 16:03:23 GMT -5 redleg said:

Jan 12, 2018 13:36:24 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

This is a good point. Trump is no worse than LBJ on the crassness scale. And Democrats consider him something of a hero. He even has his own presidential memorial in DC.

Of course Johnson wasn’t fit to be president either.

While I agree about LBJ, if coarse language is a disqualifier for President, I would suspect that we've never had a qualified person for President.

That's part of why this is more than a bit stilly. Managers sometimes use coarse language in private meeting as way to help humanize themselves. It's a way of being less stuffy, less formal, and less standoffish.

LBJ was more than just coarse language though. There was his appendix scar, and a few other... quirks.

[redleg]

Jan 12, 2018 16:55:10 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

Jan 12, 2018 16:03:23 GMT -5 redleg said:

While I agree about LBJ, if coarse language is a disqualifier for President, I would suspect that we've never had a qualified person for President.

That's part of why this is more than a bit stilly. Managers sometimes use coarse language in private meeting as way to help humanize themselves. It's a way of being less stuffy, less formal, and less standoffish.

LBJ was more than just coarse language though. There was his appendix scar, and a few other... quirks.

True. But you never heard about any of that until just a few years ago. There wasn't any 'media' trying to get dirt on him, or "reporting" on what he was saying or doing. Nor was there the internet to blast every accusation, suggestion, or opinion all over the world in seconds.

[3000fps]

Ever been to Haiti? Trump was spot on with his statement. From 500' it looked like an island paradise but once on the ground it looked like Hiroshima and that was long long before the earthquake. His comparison to a **ithole is an insult to **itholes.

[kemmer]

Huh. I always thought the proper term was "hell-hole".

I do wish Trump would learn something about appropriate language to use in formal settings. Of course, given the way "celebrities" talk at awards shows, it's hard to fault Trump for coarseness. (What do people do when they get angry? I mean, they cannot blow off steam by cussing, since they cuss all day long... Maybe that's why we have so much violence? Nobody can "use their words" anymore?)

That said, when the borders were re-opened in the '60's, the laws were skewed against admitting Europeans (eg Norwegians). This was done as penance for racial discrimination against Slavs, Italians, Greeks, and Jews-- the reason the borders were closed in the first place. IIRC correctly, Teddy Kennedy was prominent making that argument. It's a classic example of the pendulum swinging too far the other way.

On the other hand, immigrants from "sh-hole" countries tend to appreciate being here. Their children tend to do well in school, because their parents understand education is something only the wealthy can get in many countries. They expect to work for a living-- because they worked hard in their home countries for pennies (literally: Haitian's live on <$2.00/day). Not having to bribe the police is a boon American-born taxi-drivers (Uber drivers?) never consider they're getting.

The real downside is American politicians eager to welcome immigrants by telling them they are "victims" in need of Big Brother's Loving Hand, and His huge bureaucracy to protect them from Americans.

[palealeman]

Thanks for the analysis, Kemmer. What you fail to mention -- what a lot of people seem to be ignoring -- is that the President is calling for limiting immigration from nations whose populations are mostly Black in favor of nations whose populations are mostly White. But that's what we expect from racists and white supremacists. And the people on this board who agree with the President's statements are showing what side of the road they are on.

[Ranger John]

Jan 13, 2018 12:12:10 GMT -5 palealeman said:

Thanks for the analysis, Kemmer. What you fail to mention -- what a lot of people seem to be ignoring -- is that the President is calling for limiting immigration from nations whose populations are mostly Black in favor of nations whose populations are mostly White. But that's what we expect from racists and white supremacists. And the people on this board who agree with the President's statements are showing what side of the road they are on.

You’re full of it PAM.

1) Kemmer specifically addressed this in her post, noting that when we opened up immigration in the ‘60s the laws were written in a way that unfairly favored third world countries.

2) Trump is disfavoring COUNTRIES again, not races. Craphole countries are notorious for craphole education systems, craphole legal systems, and craphole cultures. These people do tend to treat gays, women and other minorities atrociously, The Pulse Nightclub shooting being a prime example of what happens when you mix virulent jihadi Islam with raging homophobia. Sure, Mateen was born in the US, but his religious beliefs came right from ISIS.

3). I know, like all liberals, you’re EXTREMELY race-obsessed. I don’t know why you are unable to distinguish race from country of origin, but simply squealing racism at everything Trump does is simply not going to work. In part because clueless, bigoted idiots have been screaming “RACIST!” at everyone and everything associated with the Republican Party for 40 years. No one with two brain cells to rub together cares anymore. You’ve all over-used that accusation to the point that it has lost all meaning. You’re doing the same with Nazis, and you all need to knock it the eff off before people stop taking that seriously too.

You’ve already screwd over minority communities by defining racism down to a meaningless word, I’d really rather the Nazis not be able to come out of the shadows any more than they already do.

[Ranger John]

The number of people who resent people who have succeeded through hard work and/or education is high enough in the US. This is especially tricky when people come from countries where they have been oppressed by a way-too-large police state run by a bunch of elitists who think they know everything. You know... places run like Baltimore.

In the US, people aren’t poor because of racism. They’re poor because they drop out of High School, or they’d rather not work and we prop them up with welfare, or they made a horrible mistake like getting themselves hooked on meth or heroin, or they committed a serious crime which prevents them from getting a job. In the US, poverty is almost exclusively self-inflicted. It is not imposed by the rulers like it is in most hellhole countries. And the main exception to this is when conservatives get black-listed for daring to say something heretical in public. See: Damore, James. That’s the primary current example of actual ruling-class oppression in the US.

[redleg]

Jan 13, 2018 12:12:10 GMT -5 palealeman said:

Thanks for the analysis, Kemmer. What you fail to mention -- what a lot of people seem to be ignoring -- is that the President is calling for limiting immigration from nations whose populations are mostly Black in favor of nations whose populations are mostly White. But that's what we expect from racists and white supremacists. And the people on this board who agree with the President's statements are showing what side of the road they are on.

You mean racists and white supremacists like you? You are the one claiming that the countries are sh*tholes because they are populated by blacks and hispanics. And that the corruption is because they are not white. 

[palealeman]

Jan 13, 2018 13:16:30 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

Jan 13, 2018 12:12:10 GMT -5 palealeman said:

Thanks for the analysis, Kemmer. What you fail to mention -- what a lot of people seem to be ignoring -- is that the President is calling for limiting immigration from nations whose populations are mostly Black in favor of nations whose populations are mostly White. But that's what we expect from racists and white supremacists. And the people on this board who agree with the President's statements are showing what side of the road they are on.

You’re full of it PAM.

1) Kemmer specifically addressed this in her post, noting that when we opened up immigration in the ‘60s the laws were written in a way that unfairly favored third world countries.

2) Trump is disfavoring COUNTRIES again, not races. Craphole countries are notorious for craphole education systems, craphole legal systems, and craphole cultures. These people do tend to treat gays, women and other minorities atrociously, The Pulse Nightclub shooting being a prime example of what happens when you mix virulent jihadi Islam with raging homophobia. Sure, Mateen was born in the US, but his religious beliefs came right from ISIS.

3). I know, like all liberals, you’re EXTREMELY race-obsessed. I don’t know why you are unable to distinguish race from country of origin, but simply squealing racism at everything Trump does is simply not going to work. In part because clueless, bigoted idiots have been screaming “RACIST!” at everyone and everything associated with the Republican Party for 40 years. No one with two brain cells to rub together cares anymore. You’ve all over-used that accusation to the point that it has lost all meaning. You’re doing the same with Nazis, and you all need to knock it the eff off before people stop taking that seriously too.

You’ve already screwd over minority communities by defining racism down to a meaningless word, I’d really rather the Nazis not be able to come out of the shadows any more than they already do.

Oh, RJ, there you go again, trying to defend the indefensible.

(1) As Kemmer and you point out, immigration policies were changed for a reason. As Kemmer points out, and you conveniently ignore, is that fact that many, perhaps most, of the immigrants from those countries come to America, appreciate the opportunity, and do very well. So what's the problem that the President has with them? As the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

(2) Trump is defining countries, not races, you claim. Like with the travel bans . . . that were overturned by the Courts. Again, if the immigrants from those countries come here and do well, what's the problem? Other than those citizens are black. Several years ago my son worked with a guy from Africa (can't remember the country other than central Africa. He came here to go to school, and when he finished he went back to his country to work and help.  Maybe if we took in more people from those sort of countries, let them go to school and then return to their countries, maybe there'd be some improvement there.  And Norway seems to be doing pretty good on its own.

(3) I don't shout racist at everything Trump says. He does a good enough job of that himself. What did he say about Mexicans when he began his campaign? What did he say about the white supremacists in Charlotte? Remember the black kids he wanted convic and put to death for raping a white women . . . even after DNA evidence showed that they did not commit the crime? And I already mentioned the travel bans.

You say that I don't get it. You're the one that doesn't get it, doesn't get the Trump and his mentor Bannon are racists and white supremacists. Of course, I don't expect you to understand racism when you live in an area that's 96.2% white. The sad part, RJ, as you say, is that no one cares. No one on the right cares a bit about racism. As long as the white male maintains power, all's right in the world. Right?

And a reminder:  the Nazis were the white supremacists of their time, much like Trump and Bannon and their ilk are today. If they're coming out of the shadows, they're coming out of the shadows on the right.

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 8:10:10 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

www.yahoo.com/news/reaction-trumps-comments-africa-haiti-005856324.html

So, everyone is Outraged! again.

First, it’s reasonable to stipulate that Trump’s comments were unpresidential, impolite, and boorish. Traits we already know define this President.

With that said, he didn’t say anything that 85% of the US doesn’t already think. And the remaining 15% are out of touch elitists who think places like Haiti, Somalia, Zimbabwe and Sudan are just undiscovered paradises.

Every place has "stuffholes"... your state and county... my state and county... it is very un-presidential for ANY U.S. President to use this kind of language when referring to people from ANY other location other than his... we what we ALL KNOW is where HE comes from... surrounded by gold fittings and trim, don't we?... not everyone can... or even wants to... live in such surroundings... 

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 9:05:07 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

Jan 12, 2018 8:20:17 GMT -5 breakingbad said:

Even if true, it's very unpresidential to say. He really needs to just STFU when he gets these urges.

I agree. This reflects poorly on the country. He didn’t have to be so rude. I wish someone would polish the turd in the White House, too.

But, here’s the thing: countries like Haiti, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, etc ARE crap-holes, and this statement was made in a closed door meeting. The people who threw it in front of the media are as much of a problem as Trump.

The meeting may have been closed... but it was not private... any time our elected officials meet, we are entitled to know about the conversation...

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 12:57:39 GMT -5 redleg said:

Jan 12, 2018 8:20:17 GMT -5 breakingbad said:

Even if true, it's very unpresidential to say. He really needs to just STFU when he gets these urges.

The only reason it's considered "unPresidential" is because, in this day and age, every syllable of every word a President speaks is then thrown out to the public, if it's a Pub, or hidden for decades if it's a Dem. Do you really think Waco Billy Boy didn't use the same language, all the time, about all sorts of subjects? LBJ is known to have held "discussions" while he was on the crapper. The only difference is, the fake news media was interested in hiding it from the public. With Trump, they are anxious to make up lies about what he said or did. We have no idea if that's what he really said, or if that's the "interpretation" by a Marxist sycophant that wasn't even there.

I have had more than one civil conversation without the use of such words while taking a dump... what has that got to do with anything here... the truth is the truth... you just don'e want to hear it... and no, I don't think Bill CLinton was anywhere near as vile as DOnald Trump... and didn't use such language as Trump... (especially all of the time)... 

What the news media has said about Trump isn't why we don't know what's true and what's not... Trump's denials of it are... when we know different... lot of things he's said, and is on video or audio, that he's said and... be damned, he denies it the next day... sounds like my granddaughter... 

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 13:36:24 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

Jan 12, 2018 12:57:39 GMT -5 redleg said:

The only reason it's considered "unPresidential" is because, in this day and age, every syllable of every word a President speaks is then thrown out to the public, if it's a Pub, or hidden for decades if it's a Dem. Do you really think Waco Billy Boy didn't use the same language, all the time, about all sorts of subjects? LBJ is known to have held "discussions" while he was on the crapper. The only difference is, the fake news media was interested in hiding it from the public. With Trump, they are anxious to make up lies about what he said or did. We have no idea if that's what he really said, or if that's the "interpretation" by a Marxist sycophant that wasn't even there.

This is a good point. Trump is no worse than LBJ on the crassness scale. And Democrats consider him something of a hero. He even has his own presidential memorial in DC.

Of course Johnson wasn’t fit to be president either.

Yes, he is worse... and LBJ was an brown eye... that's why he didn't run for re-election...

HE wasn't so much of a hero... but some things passed under his administration were... 

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 16:03:23 GMT -5 redleg said:

Jan 12, 2018 13:36:24 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

This is a good point. Trump is no worse than LBJ on the crassness scale. And Democrats consider him something of a hero. He even has his own presidential memorial in DC.

Of course Johnson wasn’t fit to be president either.

While I agree about LBJ, if coarse language is a disqualifier for President, I would suspect that we've never had a qualified person for President.

And I suspect we have... several... 

[redleg]

Jan 13, 2018 17:00:23 GMT -5 aboutwell said:

Jan 12, 2018 8:10:10 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

www.yahoo.com/news/reaction-trumps-comments-africa-haiti-005856324.html

So, everyone is Outraged! again.

First, it’s reasonable to stipulate that Trump’s comments were unpresidential, impolite, and boorish. Traits we already know define this President.

With that said, he didn’t say anything that 85% of the US doesn’t already think. And the remaining 15% are out of touch elitists who think places like Haiti, Somalia, Zimbabwe and Sudan are just undiscovered paradises.

Every place has "stuffholes"... your state and county... my state and county... it is very un-presidential for ANY U.S. President to use this kind of language when referring to people from ANY other location other than his... we what we ALL KNOW is where HE comes from... surrounded by gold fittings and trim, don't we?... not everyone can... or even wants to... live in such surroundings... 

Even the UN "World Toilet Day" says that 60% of the world's population don't have operational toilets. That means that Trump was literally correct. Race has nothing to do with it except for the racist Left that declares that sh*thole countries are only black or hispanic. 


Here are a few interesting statistics, straight from the U.N.:



- Around 60% of the global population – 4.5 billion people – have either no toilet at home or one that doesn't safely manage excreta.



-862 million people worldwide still practi[c]e open defecation.



- 1.8 billion people use an unimproved source of drinking water with no protection against contamination from [feces].



- Globally, 80% of the wastewater generated by society flows back into the ecosystem without being treated or reused.



- Only 39% of the global population (2.9 billion people) use a safely[] managed sanitation service [–] that is, excreta safely disposed of in situ or treated off-site.



- Combined with safe water and good hygiene, improved sanitation could prevent around 842,000 deaths each year.

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 16:55:10 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

Jan 12, 2018 16:03:23 GMT -5 redleg said:

While I agree about LBJ, if coarse language is a disqualifier for President, I would suspect that we've never had a qualified person for President.

That's part of why this is more than a bit stilly. Managers sometimes use coarse language in private meeting as way to help humanize themselves. It's a way of being less stuffy, less formal, and less standoffish.

LBJ was more than just coarse language though. There was his appendix scar, and a few other... quirks.

I'm glad that it's just "managers" that have to do that... I've made myself perfectly human in meetings several times with dozens of managers present... without having to lower myself to the use of such crude language... some people just appreciate blunt, but honest, conversation... they understand it... 

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 18:10:40 GMT -5 redleg said:

Jan 12, 2018 16:55:10 GMT -5 Ranger John said:

That's part of why this is more than a bit stilly. Managers sometimes use coarse language in private meeting as way to help humanize themselves. It's a way of being less stuffy, less formal, and less standoffish.

LBJ was more than just coarse language though. There was his appendix scar, and a few other... quirks.

True. But you never heard about any of that until just a few years ago. There wasn't any 'media' trying to get dirt on him, or "reporting" on what he was saying or doing. Nor was there the internet to blast every accusation, suggestion, or opinion all over the world in seconds.

At least you seem to recognize that such things as the internet, not necessarily the Democrats, are the reason some folks are criticized so much... some of us knew more about LBJ than others decades ago...

[aboutwell]

Jan 12, 2018 18:56:45 GMT -5 3000fps said:

Ever been to Haiti? Trump was spot on with his statement. From 500' it looked like an island paradise but once on the ground it looked like Hiroshima and that was long long before the earthquake. His comparison to a **ithole is an insult to **itholes.

Haiti is an island nation... it has it's good places... and it's bad... so does Baltimore... and other U.S. cities...