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Post by Ranger John on Jan 21, 2018 20:30:11 GMT -5
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Post by palealeman on Jan 22, 2018 10:08:29 GMT -5
Wasn't it Trump who said something about a shutdown being in the President's shoulders? Clearly Trump is at fault and wanted the shutdown.
And there was a proposal Saturday to keep the government going for a couple or three weeks, but McConnell refused to let it be put to a vote. Sounds like the regressives own this one, RJ. Of course, as usual, they try to deflect, misread facts, and blame anybody else.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 22, 2018 10:11:18 GMT -5
And I believe that we've established long ago that Trump, and most of his ardent supporters, are racists, supporting white supremacy and white nationalism. What do you think "Make America Great Again" is all about?
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Post by redleg on Jan 22, 2018 10:28:15 GMT -5
Wasn't it Trump who said something about a shutdown being in the President's shoulders? Clearly Trump is at fault and wanted the shutdown. And there was a proposal Saturday to keep the government going for a couple or three weeks, but McConnell refused to let it be put to a vote. Sounds like the regressives own this one, RJ. Of course, as usual, they try to deflect, misread facts, and blame anybody else. So, I guess we don't have to pay any taxes until the government opens up. They aren't working, why should we be paying? If the illegal Dems were actually illegal Pubs, you would see Little Chucky Schemer, the Wicked Witch of the West, Frankenfeinstein, and the rest of the Communists wanting the military on the border to stop the invasion. The only reason they are supporting aliens over Americans is because Americans are getting smart enough to not vote Dem any more.
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Post by redleg on Jan 22, 2018 10:29:40 GMT -5
And I believe that we've established long ago that Trump, and most of his ardent supporters, are racists, supporting white supremacy and white nationalism. What do you think "Make America Great Again" is all about? No, all you have "established" is that you are a useful idiot for the Communist Party of the KKK. You scream "racism" every time you lose an argument, or don't get your way. You wouldn't know a real racist if he bit you in the fourth point of contact.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 22, 2018 12:40:50 GMT -5
Wasn't it Trump who said something about a shutdown being in the President's shoulders? Clearly Trump is at fault and wanted the shutdown. And there was a proposal Saturday to keep the government going for a couple or three weeks, but McConnell refused to let it be put to a vote. Sounds like the regressives own this one, RJ. Of course, as usual, they try to deflect, misread facts, and blame anybody else. That was probably Schumer. Trump has been pretty much saying send me something to sign. It's Schumer that's trying to get the GOP to doing away with our national borders. The Dems are the regressives here. As they are on pretty much everything. As for the racists under your bed, that I can't help you with. That complaint has grown old and stale while leftist idiots throw it at everyone they disagree with. I will happily concede that Trump often acts like a child, but until the Democrats move beyond calling everyone a racist to explain their own failures, he looks like a sober, elder statesman by comparison.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 22, 2018 13:33:54 GMT -5
Do your homework, RJ. You continue to post from ignorance.
Trump did indeed say that the President is responsible for any government shutdown. He actually made that statement in, I believe, 2013, before the last shutdown. He said it, he owns it.
And the dems did make a stab at reaching an agreement. It was McConnell who nixed the deal. McConnell, a member of the regressive party. Taking America Backwards Again.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 22, 2018 14:40:42 GMT -5
Do your homework, RJ. You continue to post from ignorance. Trump did indeed say that the President is responsible for any government shutdown. He actually made that statement in, I believe, 2013, before the last shutdown. He said it, he owns it. And the dems did make a stab at reaching an agreement. It was McConnell who nixed the deal. McConnell, a member of the regressive party. Taking America Backwards Again. 2013? A totally different set of circumstances. That was when Congress sent Obama a bill he refused to sign. It was Obama's fault. No spending bill has been presented to Trump. This is on the obstructionist caucus led by Schumer and the Democrats.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 22, 2018 15:25:22 GMT -5
Now that Schumer has come to terms with reality, the government is set to re-open.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 22, 2018 20:13:41 GMT -5
KiSorry, RJ, I forgot your mindset: the regressive republicans, engaged with all their might in taking America backwards, can do no wrong; the democrats, trying to push America forward, can do no right.
McConnell could have ended this Saturday and refused to allow a vote. Trump kept changing his mind (what little mind there is), saying he'd accept this, then he wouldn't, then he might. Kind of hard to send him a bill when he might or might sign it. Real leadership on his part. But what we've come to expect in the last year.
And Schumer has come to terms with reality? What reality? That McConnell made certain promises, but will probably renege on them because Republicans can't ever tell the truth?
And what have we learned? The Republicans control the White House, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court. And they have no idea how to govern. It's going to be a long 3 years. Seven years to replace the ACA, and when the finally get the chance have no bill of their own. A tax bill touted as a middle class tax cut, but in reality a tax cut for the wealthy. No plan, no idea where they're going or what they're doing -- just what we've come to expect from the regressive GOPPPP
It's going to be a long 3 years. Well, maybe a long 1 year until the Democrats take back the Congress.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 23, 2018 9:00:58 GMT -5
KiSorry, RJ, I forgot your mindset: the regressive republicans, engaged with all their might in taking America backwards, can do no wrong; the democrats, trying to push America forward, can do no right. That was supposed to be ironic, right? The only other option is raving idiocy. Nonsense. The only way McConnel could have ended this was to cave to the Democrats on DACA. The reality that the Democrats lost the 2018 election, and that the voters have stripped them of the ability to dictate the terms of the legislative process... because they're all lunatics. It'll be a lot longer than three years, if the Democrats don't stop overplaying their hand as they've been doing since the Clinton years.
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Post by redleg on Jan 23, 2018 9:43:47 GMT -5
Do your homework, RJ. You continue to post from ignorance. Trump did indeed say that the President is responsible for any government shutdown. He actually made that statement in, I believe, 2013, before the last shutdown. He said it, he owns it. And the dems did make a stab at reaching an agreement. It was McConnell who nixed the deal. McConnell, a member of the regressive party. Taking America Backwards Again. And Little Chucky Schemer said that it was unconscionable to shut down the government over political differences. He's the one that demanded a non fiscal item be attacked to a spending bill, then shut down the government because he didn't get his way. Little Chucky Schemer wasn't "negotiating", he was handing in demands and telling the Pubs "you meet my demands, or we shut down the government". All over people that need to be deported as soon as possible.
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Post by redleg on Jan 23, 2018 9:48:03 GMT -5
KiSorry, RJ, I forgot your mindset: the regressive republicans, engaged with all their might in taking America backwards, can do no wrong; the democrats, trying to push America forward, can do no right. McConnell could have ended this Saturday and refused to allow a vote. Trump kept changing his mind (what little mind there is), saying he'd accept this, then he wouldn't, then he might. Kind of hard to send him a bill when he might or might sign it. Real leadership on his part. But what we've come to expect in the last year. And Schumer has come to terms with reality? What reality? That McConnell made certain promises, but will probably renege on them because Republicans can't ever tell the truth? And what have we learned? The Republicans control the White House, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court. And they have no idea how to govern. It's going to be a long 3 years. Seven years to replace the ACA, and when the finally get the chance have no bill of their own. A tax bill touted as a middle class tax cut, but in reality a tax cut for the wealthy. No plan, no idea where they're going or what they're doing -- just what we've come to expect from the regressive GOPPPP It's going to be a long 3 years. Well, maybe a long 1 year until the Democrats take back the Congress. You really should put down the bong, and learn to live with reality. Little Chucky Schemer and his Merry Marxists don't want us to "move forward", unless a Communist dictatorship is your idea of 'moving forward'. Yes, the Pubs want to take us back. Back to before The Puppet and his Merry Marxists crashed the economy, invented "rights" for illegal aliens, more than doubled the debt to no benefits, imported millions of illegal Democrats, and did their best to make all citizens into serfs. As for Trump, he wouldn't sign a blanket amnesty for millions of illegal Democrats, nor would he sign one that would import tens of millions more. Little Chucky just found out that he can't railroad Trump the way he did W.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 23, 2018 11:44:20 GMT -5
(1) No irony intended, RJ. It's the mindset you show here all the time.
(2) McConnell had the chance to end the shutdown Saturday. He refused to let a vote be taken. It was widely reported. The extra days are his fault. Maybe some day he'll figure out that governing involves compromise, but he'll probably be out of office before then.
(3) I don't think the Democrats have lost the 2018 election yet. And, since most polls show the dems doing better and better as more voters realize what a bid mistake electing Trump was, there's every possibility that the dems will pick up a large number of seats in 2018 and take control of Congress. You really should learn to read and broaden your horizons.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 23, 2018 11:52:03 GMT -5
(1) No irony intended, RJ. It's the mindset you show here all the time. Then all I can say is that your lack of self awareness, and willingness to project your own problems on others is astonishing. Translation: governing involves giving the Democrats everything they want. That's what the word "compromise" has always meant to people like Schumer. Maybe someday the Democrats will figure out holding the government hostage every time they want something is infantile, and dangerous. McConnell didn't have the votes to get the resolution passed until the Democrats realized people are starting to see past the narrative that shutdowns are always on the GOP. Trump was a wake-up call that you haven't gotten yet, and all the evidence anyone needs to prove it is this statement:
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Post by palealeman on Jan 23, 2018 14:05:25 GMT -5
In other words, you continue to deny reality. You refuse to read. You're mired in your own little world and love wallowing there. There's no growth in your world, only regression Got it. Welcome to the Republican world.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 23, 2018 14:41:41 GMT -5
In other words, you continue to deny reality. You refuse to read. You're mired in your own little world and love wallowing there. There's no growth in your world, only regression Got it. Welcome to the Republican world. Like I said, your capacity to project knows no bounds. Heck, you're so deep in your own bubble you still think the "Russia Investigation" is on to something.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 23, 2018 17:26:02 GMT -5
I'm not projecting anything, RJ. Just reading your posts and responding to what I see (or, more accurately, don't see -- logic, reason, and reality).
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 23, 2018 18:09:53 GMT -5
I'm not projecting anything, RJ. Just reading your posts and responding to what I see (or, more accurately, don't see -- logic, reason, and reality). You wouldn’t know what any of those are, if you got hit upside the head with them. Add a freakish obsession with everything racial, gender, and sexual orientation, and a total lack of tolerance to the lack of reason, logic and reality, and you have described the majority of registered Democrats.
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Post by breakingbad on Jan 24, 2018 9:22:57 GMT -5
I'm not projecting anything, RJ. Just reading your posts and responding to what I see (or, more accurately, don't see -- logic, reason, and reality). You wouldn’t know what any of those are, if you got hit upside the head with them. Add a freakish obsession with everything racial, gender, and sexual orientation, and a total lack of tolerance to the lack of reason, logic and reality, and you have described the majority of registered Democrats. Yeah, but they mean well.
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 24, 2018 10:11:00 GMT -5
You wouldn’t know what any of those are, if you got hit upside the head with them. Add a freakish obsession with everything racial, gender, and sexual orientation, and a total lack of tolerance to the lack of reason, logic and reality, and you have described the majority of registered Democrats. Yeah, but they mean well. No. They really don't. The Democrats hate reason with a seething passion. It's why they accuse Republicans who support the 2nd Amendment, or who have noticed that social security and Medicare need to be reformed to be sustainable of trying to kill people. It's why they accuse anyone who is uncomfortable with abortion or questions their 77 cents on the dollar wage disparity lie of misogyny. It's why they accuse bakers who don't want to put pro-gay messages on cakes of homophobia It's why they accuse every Republican ever of racism. Labeling people they don't understand with hate-filled epithets is what they call reason and logic. In reality, it's ignorance and evil.
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Post by breakingbad on Jan 24, 2018 10:49:30 GMT -5
Meh. I truly believe that most liberals believe what they do for the best of intentions, misguided as they are. They just don't realize that the people they support in power do have evil intentions and could care less about their supporters. But I guess the same could be said of those of us on the right (except for the misguided part, of course).
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Post by Ranger John on Jan 24, 2018 11:29:43 GMT -5
Meh. I truly believe that most liberals believe what they do for the best of intentions, misguided as they are. They just don't realize that the people they support in power do have evil intentions and could care less about their supporters. But I guess the same could be said of those of us on the right (except for the misguided part, of course). I used to think that, and back in the days of Democrats like Daniel Patrick Moynihan and his ilk, it was true. Today though, the epithets and hate come first. As for good intentions, what even are their intentions these days? Other than to impeach Trump?
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Post by palealeman on Jan 24, 2018 13:06:29 GMT -5
I'm not projecting anything, RJ. Just reading your posts and responding to what I see (or, more accurately, don't see -- logic, reason, and reality). You wouldn’t know what any of those are, if you got hit upside the head with them. Add a freakish obsession with everything racial, gender, and sexual orientation, and a total lack of tolerance to the lack of reason, logic and reality, and you have described the majority of registered Democrats. As you continue to show your deep bias, RJ. You have no tolerance for people who have other viewpoints. You can't even discuss without slinging mud at the other side. However, I have to admit, I think I have shown a great tolerance to your lack of reason, logic, and reality, a description that more accurately applies to the majority of conservatives.
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Post by palealeman on Jan 24, 2018 13:12:39 GMT -5
Meh. I truly believe that most liberals believe what they do for the best of intentions, misguided as they are. They just don't realize that the people they support in power do have evil intentions and could care less about their supporters. But I guess the same could be said of those of us on the right (except for the misguided part, of course). No, BB, I'd keep misguided in there. When a party tries for 7 years to repeal and replace a law, then gets the power to do so but has no replacement (isn't 7 years long enough to figure it out?), misguided is very light. When you talk about evil intentions (the war on women's health care, e.g.), you're talking misguided. When you introduce a tax bill, talk about what it will do, and then find out it does something else, you're either misguided or misguiding. But it's a good word for the right.
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