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Post by Ranger John on May 12, 2018 15:50:31 GMT -5
The fundamental problem with leftists who scream about the truth, is that they've pushed so far into delusion, that those of us with at least one foot in reality can't take them seriously.
The most extreme example is transgenderism. The insistence that a person with a Y-Chromisome can be female has led to, among other things, sporting competitions where men compete directly with women. Liberals wonder how it could be that a MMA fighter with a Y chromosome could hospitalize a woman fighter. The rest of the world knows the man is stronger because he's a man. Even if he insists everyone else call him a woman - in some cases under penalty of law.
There are MANY, MANY, other examples that range from mildly absurd to just as ludicrous.
Yet here we are... the principle complaint against Trump from these people who can't tell a man from a woman, is that he lies.
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Post by aboutwell on May 14, 2018 9:50:36 GMT -5
Lying is only one symptom of Trump's problem...
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Post by Ranger John on May 14, 2018 9:52:24 GMT -5
Lying is only one symptom of Trump's problem... It isn't Trump who is demanding we call women men and men women.
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Post by redleg on May 14, 2018 10:17:20 GMT -5
Lying is only one symptom of Trump's problem... Nearly every one of what the fake news calls 'his lies' turns out to be exactly what he said in the first place. I can't count the number of times CNN, ABC, NBC, and the rest of the fake news had to retract something because they lied about what they were writing about.
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Post by aboutwell on May 16, 2018 22:57:09 GMT -5
List me a couple of those retractions, Redleg...
And who said he did, Ranger John?...
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 7:05:46 GMT -5
List me a couple of those retractions, Redleg... And who said he did, Ranger John?... You're missing the point, which is people who insist on calling people with a y-chromisome women don't have a basic grasp of the facts. They are in no position to complain about other people's much less significant problems with the truth. Redleg's point is also valid. Like the time the Trump campaign was accused of getting a preview of a WikiLeaks document dump, and it turned out they found out the same time as everyone else. Or the time the media lied about the bust of MLK Jr being removed from the White House. The media lies more than Trump does, and about more important things.
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Post by redleg on May 17, 2018 8:52:07 GMT -5
List me a couple of those retractions, Redleg... And who said he did, Ranger John?... The claim that Kushner had the Wiki emails before they were published. The use of the "dossier" as "proof" that Trump was colluding with Russia. The claim that Flynn violated the Hatch Act by doing exactly what all the other Presidents had their cabinet members do. Those are just a few.
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 8:57:16 GMT -5
List me a couple of those retractions, Redleg... And who said he did, Ranger John?... The claim that Kushner had the Wiki emails before they were published. The use of the "dossier" as "proof" that Trump was colluding with Russia. The claim that Flynn violated the Hatch Act by doing exactly what all the other Presidents had their cabinet members do. Those are just a few. You're thinking of the Logan Act re: Flynn. Which surprisingly isn't a problem for the left when Kerry flagrantly violates it.
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 10:29:13 GMT -5
List me a couple of those retractions, Redleg... And who said he did, Ranger John?... The claim that Kushner had the Wiki emails before they were published. The use of the "dossier" as "proof" that Trump was colluding with Russia. The claim that Flynn violated the Hatch Act by doing exactly what all the other Presidents had their cabinet members do. Those are just a few. Where is the link to the retractions, Redleg?...
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 10:30:32 GMT -5
List me a couple of those retractions, Redleg... And who said he did, Ranger John?... You're missing the point, which is people who insist on calling people with a y-chromisome women don't have a basic grasp of the facts. They are in no position to complain about other people's much less significant problems with the truth. Redleg's point is also valid. Like the time the Trump campaign was accused of getting a preview of a WikiLeaks document dump, and it turned out they found out the same time as everyone else. Or the time the media lied about the bust of MLK Jr being removed from the White House. The media lies more than Trump does, and about more important things. Seems you missed the question, Ranger John... let me ask again... Who said he did?...
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 10:34:38 GMT -5
You're missing the point, which is people who insist on calling people with a y-chromisome women don't have a basic grasp of the facts. They are in no position to complain about other people's much less significant problems with the truth. Redleg's point is also valid. Like the time the Trump campaign was accused of getting a preview of a WikiLeaks document dump, and it turned out they found out the same time as everyone else. Or the time the media lied about the bust of MLK Jr being removed from the White House. The media lies more than Trump does, and about more important things. Seems you missed the question, Ranger John... let me ask again... Who said he did?... Oh. So you were just joking. Never mind.
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 12:16:36 GMT -5
Seems you missed the question, Ranger John... let me ask again... Who said he did?... Oh. So you were just joking. Never mind. Oh, so you aren't going to answer my question... that's okay... I knew you wouldn't anyway...
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 12:53:00 GMT -5
Oh. So you were just joking. Never mind. Oh, so you aren't going to answer my question... that's okay... I knew you wouldn't anyway... I said Trump isn't demanding we call women men and men women. You asked: who said he did? This is like me saying "that horse is brown" and you asking who put the brown shirt on the horse. It is a silly question.
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 13:04:14 GMT -5
Oh, so you aren't going to answer my question... that's okay... I knew you wouldn't anyway... I said Trump isn't demanding we call women men and men women. You asked: who said he did? This is like me saying "that horse is brown" and you asking who put the brown shirt on the horse. It is a silly question. No, that's not what you said... here's what you said... "It isn't Trump who is demanding we call women men and men women."
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Post by redleg on May 17, 2018 13:34:08 GMT -5
The claim that Kushner had the Wiki emails before they were published. The use of the "dossier" as "proof" that Trump was colluding with Russia. The claim that Flynn violated the Hatch Act by doing exactly what all the other Presidents had their cabinet members do. Those are just a few. You're thinking of the Logan Act re: Flynn. Which surprisingly isn't a problem for the left when Kerry flagrantly violates it. Sorry, you are correct.
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Post by redleg on May 17, 2018 13:35:18 GMT -5
The claim that Kushner had the Wiki emails before they were published. The use of the "dossier" as "proof" that Trump was colluding with Russia. The claim that Flynn violated the Hatch Act by doing exactly what all the other Presidents had their cabinet members do. Those are just a few. Where is the link to the retractions, Redleg?... You really need a link? Have you been in another country for the last few months?
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 14:50:54 GMT -5
I said Trump isn't demanding we call women men and men women. You asked: who said he did? This is like me saying "that horse is brown" and you asking who put the brown shirt on the horse. It is a silly question. No, that's not what you said... here's what you said... "It isn't Trump who is demanding we call women men and men women." That's what I said both times. You asked who said he did. But I didn't claim anyone said he did.
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 18:28:34 GMT -5
Where is the link to the retractions, Redleg?... You really need a link? Have you been in another country for the last few months? Yes, I do, Redleg... I watch CNN more than any other news channel... and I don't recall the first retraction... I'd like for you to refresh my memory...
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 18:31:16 GMT -5
No, that's not what you said... here's what you said... "It isn't Trump who is demanding we call women men and men women." That's what I said both times. You asked who said he did. But I didn't claim anyone said he did. Let me break it down for you, Ranger John... I asked who was it saying that Trump is demanding we call women men and men women... Hopefully, that will help... but I do have my doubts...
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 18:35:08 GMT -5
That's what I said both times. You asked who said he did. But I didn't claim anyone said he did. Let me break it down for you, Ranger John... I asked who was it saying that Trump is demanding we call women men and men women... Hopefully, that will help... but I do have my doubts... I understand. Do you understand I never said anyone claimed Trump is demanding we call women men? That’s a lefty thing.
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 18:37:20 GMT -5
The claim that Kushner had the Wiki emails before they were published. The use of the "dossier" as "proof" that Trump was colluding with Russia. The claim that Flynn violated the Hatch Act by doing exactly what all the other Presidents had their cabinet members do. Those are just a few. You're thinking of the Logan Act re: Flynn. Which surprisingly isn't a problem for the left when Kerry flagrantly violates it. Kerry isn't meddling in Trump's Iranian foreign policy... Trump has not announced a policy for Iran... he doesn't have one... he simply wants to undo someone else'e Iranian policy... Kerry is defending an old policy which he helped negotiate... not the current administration's policy... Flynn was attempting to negotiate future foreign policy with the Russians in behalf of Trump...
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 18:39:59 GMT -5
You're thinking of the Logan Act re: Flynn. Which surprisingly isn't a problem for the left when Kerry flagrantly violates it. Kerry isn't meddling in Trump's Iranian foreign policy... Trump has not announced a policy for Iran... he doesn't have one... he simply wants to undo someone else'e Iranian policy... Kerry is defending an old policy which he helped negotiate... not the current administration's policy... In order to assist you, I have highlighted the part of your statement that makes Kerry's activities a violation of the Logan Act.
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 18:44:26 GMT -5
Kerry isn't meddling in Trump's Iranian foreign policy... Trump has not announced a policy for Iran... he doesn't have one... he simply wants to undo someone else'e Iranian policy... Kerry is defending an old policy which he helped negotiate... not the current administration's policy... In order to assist you, I have highlighted the part of your statement that makes Kerry's activities a violation of the Logan Act. As far as the U.S. is concerned under Trump... that policy is null and void... it might as well not exist... but other countries can and seem to plan to pursue the same conditions of the policy from which Trump removed us... what he and the other countries are discussing is not a policy between the U.S. and any of those countries...
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Post by Ranger John on May 17, 2018 18:51:46 GMT -5
In order to assist you, I have highlighted the part of your statement that makes Kerry's activities a violation of the Logan Act. As far as the U.S. is concerned under Trump... that policy is null and void... it might as well not exist... but other countries can and seem to plan to pursue the same conditions of the policy from which Trump removed us... what he and the other countries are discussing is not a policy between the U.S. and any of those countries... Look, I get that you think Trump is some sort of freak, and that the law no longer applies, but if the Logan Act is a problem for Flynn, who was for all intents and purposes a government employee, it DEFINATELY applies to Kerry, who is now (fortunately) a private citizen.
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Post by aboutwell on May 17, 2018 22:12:30 GMT -5
I've never said Trump was some kind of freak... I have said numerous times that he is an unscrupulous businessman... a bully... dishonest... and unfair to his employees... freak?... no...
And I haven't even mentioned the Logan Act... you did... but Flynn was not a government employee when he did those things... neither is Kerry now...
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