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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 19:02:00 GMT -5
You have absolutely no proof of any kind of censorship. None. You surmise that because no one wants to air Pilger's "documentaries" that the AIPAC bogeyman is stopping it from being published. "Well" you argue, "the rest of the world has seen it". So what? Most of his work is available on his web page for $5. That so few have seen it tells you its worth. Do you honestly think that the networks, given the opportunity to make the kind of money that would rise from such a documentary were it accurate, are going to pass up such a chance; that the Arab networks wouldn't publish it? Do you really think AIPAC can censor the internet? Why don't you put down your "I hate all things Jewish" meme for a minute and grab a piece of the world outside of BE land? I kind of wonder how big that "rest of world" is. Did all of china see it? Or did just a small group of haters in the EU watch it to confirm their own biases? Since it is available in the US on the internet then it isn't being banned by any government group, I wonder if anyone is suing them to get it banned from the internet? Probably not. We know all about made up documentaries, we have Michael Moore after all. I very much doubt that you have seen a Michael Moore documentary either. Why should I lend any credence to your position when you haven't seen that with which you Disagree?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 19:22:00 GMT -5
I kind of wonder how big that "rest of world" is. Did all of china see it? Or did just a small group of haters in the EU watch it to confirm their own biases? Since it is available in the US on the internet then it isn't being banned by any government group, I wonder if anyone is suing them to get it banned from the internet? Probably not. We know all about made up documentaries, we have Michael Moore after all. I very much doubt that you have seen a Michael Moore documentary either. Why should I lend any credence to your position when you haven't seen that with which you Disagree? I have seen enough . Since you really do not state any opposition to any of hamases policies, but will against anything that Israel does, it makes it pretty clear where your biases are. I don't need to see your propaganda videos any more than you seem to need to observe what Hama's is doing. Until you can explain how what Hama's is doing is justified, then nothing you say about Israel has any weight. I can understand why you are afraid to be critical of Hama's, your own government might call it a hate crime.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 21, 2014 19:38:26 GMT -5
You have absolutely no proof of any kind of censorship. None. You surmise that because no one wants to air Pilger's "documentaries" that the AIPAC bogeyman is stopping it from being published. "Well" you argue, "the rest of the world has seen it". So what? Most of his work is available on his web page for $5. That so few have seen it tells you its worth. Do you honestly think that the networks, given the opportunity to make the kind of money that would rise from such a documentary were it accurate, are going to pass up such a chance; that the Arab networks wouldn't publish it? Do you really think AIPAC can censor the internet? Why don't you put down your "I hate all things Jewish" meme for a minute and grab a piece of the world outside of BE land? And you have no proof that there isn't any censorship, see how that goes? Your quote marks around the word documentaries clearly demonstrates your bias. You know as well as I do that AIPAC exists to promote Israel and to control government and the media as much as it can. You question the accuracy of the documentary when in 52 minutes you could give an actual first hand opinion, what are you scared of? You along with others on here are poo-pooing the video but like them you haven't got the gonads to view it, frankly dude you are a fake, I'll take you seriously if and when you actually discuss the video on its content, not on your uninformed perceptions. Do you honestly believe that Wikipedia isn't tampered with or edited by Israel as well as other countries to reflect their country in a good light? You had to stop yourself using the 'anti-Semite' word there, didn't you? You don't like it when people ask uncomfortable questions of you, do you?! You are the one claiming some world-wide censorship campaign BE, it is your task to prove it. Your silly reply, a technique you use often, is logically as empty as most of your positions. Of course AIPAC exists to bend the news cycle. So does similar organizations for every government out there, including the WH press corps. Wikipedia is modified by numerous entities; serious researchers don't use it,. And yes, I did have to stop myself from using anti-Semite, even though it applies int your case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:25:33 GMT -5
I very much doubt that you have seen a Michael Moore documentary either. Why should I lend any credence to your position when you haven't seen that with which you Disagree? I have seen enough . Since you really do not state any opposition to any of hamases policies, but will against anything that Israel does, it makes it pretty clear where your biases are. I don't need to see your propaganda videos any more than you seem to need to observe what Hama's is doing. Until you can explain how what Hama's is doing is justified, then nothing you say about Israel has any weight. I can understand why you are afraid to be critical of Hama's, your own government might call it a hate crime. Again you are wrong. I do not agree with Hamas' actions, they cannot be condoned. I do however understand why they have taken their position and if you viewed the video that I posted, you would also understand why they have taken that position. You and the rest of the Israel-firsters on this forum only ever refer to hamas' present actions and the lie that Israel was attacked in 1967. None of you are prepared to listen to why the Arab nations massed the borders in that conflict, war was inevitable but again why? You also close your eyes and mind to what Israel has done since that war, the Israeli apartheid, the continual stealing of Palestinian land, the building of more and more garrisons/fortresses laughingly called 'settlements', the imprisonment and brutalizing of the people in Gaza, to the control and disruption of essential supplies, etc. etc. That is what the video shows, it is not made up or staged, it is actual footage. When you disenfranchise a people, strip away all their hope and aspirations to the point that they have nothing, no dignity and no future, it isn't hard for anyone with half a brain to understand why some of them will strap a bomb to themselves, they have no other redress no other way to fight back. You unfortunately will remain in ignorance and never grasp that notion, because you are too scared to watch the video for yourself, you will labor through life ignorant of most of the happenings in the ME, being fed only the Israeli side of the conflict by your AIPAC controlled government. I do actually feel sorry for you and you ilk, such stupendous ignorance which could be corrected by just looking at the other point of view. Yes, I do now side with the Palestinians (not hamas) over Israel but at least I have come to my conclusions after looking into both sides of the conflict.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:40:05 GMT -5
And you have no proof that there isn't any censorship, see how that goes? Your quote marks around the word documentaries clearly demonstrates your bias. You know as well as I do that AIPAC exists to promote Israel and to control government and the media as much as it can. You question the accuracy of the documentary when in 52 minutes you could give an actual first hand opinion, what are you scared of? You along with others on here are poo-pooing the video but like them you haven't got the gonads to view it, frankly dude you are a fake, I'll take you seriously if and when you actually discuss the video on its content, not on your uninformed perceptions. Do you honestly believe that Wikipedia isn't tampered with or edited by Israel as well as other countries to reflect their country in a good light? You had to stop yourself using the 'anti-Semite' word there, didn't you? You don't like it when people ask uncomfortable questions of you, do you?! You are the one claiming some world-wide censorship campaign BE, it is your task to prove it. Your silly reply, a technique you use often, is logically as empty as most of your positions. Of course AIPAC exists to bend the news cycle. So does similar organizations for every government out there, including the WH press corps. Wikipedia is modified by numerous entities; serious researchers don't use it,. And yes, I did have to stop myself from using anti-Semite, even though it applies int your case. Your silly method of asking questions to avoid replies it your usual trick, and your refusal to discuss that which you find uncomfortable betrays your empty logic. To your mind, I would be an anti-Semite, that is the opinion of a bigot in my opinion. To a balanced reasonable poster, I am not even anti-Israel. I am anti-Zionist, anti-thieves and anti-murderers, there is a difference but bigoted minds will not see that.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 20:40:47 GMT -5
I have seen enough . Since you really do not state any opposition to any of hamases policies, but will against anything that Israel does, it makes it pretty clear where your biases are. I don't need to see your propaganda videos any more than you seem to need to observe what Hama's is doing. Until you can explain how what Hama's is doing is justified, then nothing you say about Israel has any weight. I can understand why you are afraid to be critical of Hama's, your own government might call it a hate crime. Again you are wrong. I do not agree with Hamas' actions, they cannot be condoned. I do however understand why they have taken their position and if you viewed the video that I posted, you would also understand why they have taken that position. You and the rest of the Israel-firsters on this forum only ever refer to hamas' present actions and the lie that Israel was attacked in 1967. None of you are prepared to listen to why the Arab nations massed the borders in that conflict, war was inevitable but again why? You also close your eyes and mind to what Israel has done since that war, the Israeli apartheid, the continual stealing of Palestinian land, the building of more and more garrisons/fortresses laughingly called 'settlements', the imprisonment and brutalizing of the people in Gaza, to the control and disruption of essential supplies, etc. etc. That is what the video shows, it is not made up or staged, it is actual footage. When you disenfranchise a people, strip away all their hope and aspirations to the point that they have nothing, no dignity and no future, it isn't hard for anyone with half a brain to understand why some of them will strap a bomb to themselves, they have no other redress no other way to fight back. You unfortunately will remain in ignorance and never grasp that notion, because you are too scared to watch the video for yourself, you will labor through life ignorant of most of the happenings in the ME, being fed only the Israeli side of the conflict by your AIPAC controlled government. I do actually feel sorry for you and you ilk, such stupendous ignorance which could be corrected by just looking at the other point of view. Yes, I do now side with the Palestinians (not hamas) over Israel but at least I have come to my conclusions after looking into both sides of the conflict. Somehow I doubt you have looked at it from Israel's side. Baby steps, I am sure that each action had a reaction from the other side. Watching a one sided propaganda piece ignores all those steps and just shows the bad to one side that occurred, and not the other side, and what caused the action/reaction. Ignoring how the Palestinians behave now, and in the past will not move the conflict forward to any peaceful resolution . Again I ask what would you have Israel do? Seems the Palestinians only want their distruction, not peace, at least Israel gives lip service to peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:42:01 GMT -5
Has anyone here yet had the 'nads to view the video?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 20:42:20 GMT -5
You are the one claiming some world-wide censorship campaign BE, it is your task to prove it. Your silly reply, a technique you use often, is logically as empty as most of your positions. Of course AIPAC exists to bend the news cycle. So does similar organizations for every government out there, including the WH press corps. Wikipedia is modified by numerous entities; serious researchers don't use it,. And yes, I did have to stop myself from using anti-Semite, even though it applies int your case. Your silly method of asking questions to avoid replies it your usual trick, and your refusal to discuss that which you find uncomfortable betrays your empty logic. To your mind, I would be an anti-Semite, that is the opinion of a bigot in my opinion. To a balanced reasonable poster, I am not even anti-Israel. I am anti-Zionist, anti-thieves and anti-murderers, there is a difference but bigoted minds will not see that. So do you also wish their destruction and all the people who live there?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 20:45:49 GMT -5
Has anyone here yet had the 'nads to view the video? What does nads have to do with watching a propaganda piece. Does it show Israel's side? Does it have a peaceful way to end the conflict? No one is doubting that the Palestinians have, and are suffering. Seems that all the bad that happens to them is a direct result of their desire for Israel's destruction and the people on both sides who are using them as pawns.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:47:04 GMT -5
Again you are wrong. I do not agree with Hamas' actions, they cannot be condoned. I do however understand why they have taken their position and if you viewed the video that I posted, you would also understand why they have taken that position. You and the rest of the Israel-firsters on this forum only ever refer to hamas' present actions and the lie that Israel was attacked in 1967. None of you are prepared to listen to why the Arab nations massed the borders in that conflict, war was inevitable but again why? You also close your eyes and mind to what Israel has done since that war, the Israeli apartheid, the continual stealing of Palestinian land, the building of more and more garrisons/fortresses laughingly called 'settlements', the imprisonment and brutalizing of the people in Gaza, to the control and disruption of essential supplies, etc. etc. That is what the video shows, it is not made up or staged, it is actual footage. When you disenfranchise a people, strip away all their hope and aspirations to the point that they have nothing, no dignity and no future, it isn't hard for anyone with half a brain to understand why some of them will strap a bomb to themselves, they have no other redress no other way to fight back. You unfortunately will remain in ignorance and never grasp that notion, because you are too scared to watch the video for yourself, you will labor through life ignorant of most of the happenings in the ME, being fed only the Israeli side of the conflict by your AIPAC controlled government. I do actually feel sorry for you and you ilk, such stupendous ignorance which could be corrected by just looking at the other point of view. Yes, I do now side with the Palestinians (not hamas) over Israel but at least I have come to my conclusions after looking into both sides of the conflict. Somehow I doubt you have looked at it from Israel's side. Baby steps, I am sure that each action had a reaction from the other side. Watching a one sided propaganda piece ignores all those steps and just shows the bad to one side that occurred, and not the other side, and what caused the action/reaction. Ignoring how the Palestinians behave now, and in the past will not move the conflict forward to any peaceful resolution . Again I ask what would you have Israel do? Seems the Palestinians only want their distruction, not peace, at least Israel gives lip service to peace. Don't call me a liar sir, I clearly stated that I have viewed both sides of the conflict. In fact during the 6 day war I lent my support to Israel, over the years since my allegiance has swung over to the Palestinians for all the reasons I gave in my previous post. You are the one taking the bigoted position here not I.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:53:39 GMT -5
Has anyone here yet had the 'nads to view the video? What does nads have to do with watching a propaganda piece. Does it show Israel's side? Does it have a peaceful way to end the conflict? No one is doubting that the Palestinians have, and are suffering. Seems that all the bad that happens to them is a direct result of their desire for Israel's destruction and the people on both sides who are using them as pawns. You'll have to find the guts to watch the video to find out. You call it a "propaganda piece" and you haven't even seen it. That sir is out and out bigotry.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 20:59:21 GMT -5
Somehow I doubt you have looked at it from Israel's side. Baby steps, I am sure that each action had a reaction from the other side. Watching a one sided propaganda piece ignores all those steps and just shows the bad to one side that occurred, and not the other side, and what caused the action/reaction. Ignoring how the Palestinians behave now, and in the past will not move the conflict forward to any peaceful resolution . Again I ask what would you have Israel do? Seems the Palestinians only want their distruction, not peace, at least Israel gives lip service to peace. Don't call me a liar sir, I clearly stated that I have viewed both sides of the conflict. In fact during the 6 day war I lent my support to Israel, over the years since my allegiance has swung over to the Palestinians for all the reasons I gave in my previous post. You are the one taking the bigoted position here not I. Doubting someone is not calling them a liar. You really need to work on the meaning of words. I am sure you believe what you post.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Jul 21, 2014 21:01:19 GMT -5
What does nads have to do with watching a propaganda piece. Does it show Israel's side? Does it have a peaceful way to end the conflict? No one is doubting that the Palestinians have, and are suffering. Seems that all the bad that happens to them is a direct result of their desire for Israel's destruction and the people on both sides who are using them as pawns. You'll have to find the guts to watch the video to find out. You call it a "propaganda piece" and you haven't even seen it. That sir is out and out bigotry. You have made it perfectly clear where your bigotry lies so I am sure that I am correct. You have never stated what you think Israel should do to end this conflict. I can only assume you want them to die.
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Post by redleg on Jul 21, 2014 21:30:10 GMT -5
You mean this John Pilgar? Pilger has been a strong critic of American and British foreign policy, which he considers to be driven by an imperialist agenda.
With others,[60] Pilger supported Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks, by pledging bail in December 2010. Pilger said at the time: "There's no doubt that he is not going to abscond".[61] Pilger featured the Wikileaks editor-in-chief in his documentary The War You Don't See (2010).[62] Pilger described the accusations against Assange in Sweden as a "political stunt"[63] consisting of "concocted charges",[64] an opinion British left-wing journalist Owen Jones has implicitly criticised.[65]
Yes, I mean The John Pilger. If you are going to resort to the discrediting the messenger tactics, then any effort at discussion with you would be futile. Good day. It matters. Having Pilgar "discuss" Israel is like having William Foster discuss the Soviet Union.
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Post by magnaestback on Jul 21, 2014 21:31:35 GMT -5
Maybe the Joooooo's ought to pull a Dresden? I mean I loaned my support! LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Post by redleg on Jul 21, 2014 21:31:51 GMT -5
Yes the entire world has been brainwashed. That is pretty clear when there is no justification for Hamas to be sending missiles into Israel. You might also note that the US is the only country that has a free press, and freedom of speech. If, as you say, the US has "free press , and freedom of speech", explain why this documentary has never been shown on US media. It's only been around since 1997 and has been seen around the world in countries with, according to you, less freedom speech and less free media. It hasn't been the government stopping it, so it must be because no one wants to pay to see the propaganda.
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Post by redleg on Jul 21, 2014 21:35:50 GMT -5
We were discussing free in the sense of government control, and laws against disparaging Islam in particular. So now a country doesn't have free press when private groups can bully the media into not covering a story. If that is the current method for deciding if a country has free speech, and press then of course the US isn't that free, but it is still better than the EU.That my friend is your opinion, it is not fact. The non showing of this documentary in the US media, for whatever reason, is testament to the fact that the US does not enjoy freedom of the press or free speech. Both are merely an illusion that we are told and some of us believe we have, other wiser people know that we only have the freedoms that we are allowed to have. Until The Puppet and his Merry Marxists, we had a relatively free market. And not enough serfs to cajole into watching anti Semite claptrap at $30 a pop. Even when it's someone else's money.
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Post by redleg on Jul 21, 2014 21:50:46 GMT -5
I have seen enough . Since you really do not state any opposition to any of hamases policies, but will against anything that Israel does, it makes it pretty clear where your biases are. I don't need to see your propaganda videos any more than you seem to need to observe what Hama's is doing. Until you can explain how what Hama's is doing is justified, then nothing you say about Israel has any weight. I can understand why you are afraid to be critical of Hama's, your own government might call it a hate crime. Again you are wrong. I do not agree with Hamas' actions, they cannot be condoned. I do however understand why they have taken their position and if you viewed the video that I posted, you would also understand why they have taken that position. You and the rest of the Israel-firsters on this forum only ever refer to hamas' present actions and the lie that Israel was attacked in 1967. None of you are prepared to listen to why the Arab nations massed the borders in that conflict, war was inevitable but again why? You also close your eyes and mind to what Israel has done since that war, the Israeli apartheid, the continual stealing of Palestinian land, the building of more and more garrisons/fortresses laughingly called 'settlements', the imprisonment and brutalizing of the people in Gaza, to the control and disruption of essential supplies, etc. etc. That is what the video shows, it is not made up or staged, it is actual footage. When you disenfranchise a people, strip away all their hope and aspirations to the point that they have nothing, no dignity and no future, it isn't hard for anyone with half a brain to understand why some of them will strap a bomb to themselves, they have no other redress no other way to fight back. You unfortunately will remain in ignorance and never grasp that notion, because you are too scared to watch the video for yourself, you will labor through life ignorant of most of the happenings in the ME, being fed only the Israeli side of the conflict by your AIPAC controlled government. I do actually feel sorry for you and you ilk, such stupendous ignorance which could be corrected by just looking at the other point of view. Yes, I do now side with the Palestinians (not hamas) over Israel but at least I have come to my conclusions after looking into both sides of the conflict. First, there is no "Palestine". Nor "Palestinians". They are Arabs, and the dregs of the Arab nations, kicked out specifically to harass and, hopefully kill, Israelis. Second, if the Israelis are so bad to these Arabs, why are so many of them working cheek by jowl with Israelis, and even in the Knesset? Why should Israel allow a snake in their midst, especially one that has declared that Israel has no right to exist?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 22, 2014 3:31:32 GMT -5
You are the one claiming some world-wide censorship campaign BE, it is your task to prove it. Your silly reply, a technique you use often, is logically as empty as most of your positions. Of course AIPAC exists to bend the news cycle. So does similar organizations for every government out there, including the WH press corps. Wikipedia is modified by numerous entities; serious researchers don't use it,. And yes, I did have to stop myself from using anti-Semite, even though it applies in your case. Your silly method of asking questions to avoid replies it your usual trick, and your refusal to discuss that which you find uncomfortable betrays your empty logic. To your mind, I would be an anti-Semite, that is the opinion of a bigot in my opinion. To a balanced reasonable poster, I am not even anti-Israel. I am anti-Zionist, anti-thieves and anti-murderers, there is a difference but bigoted minds will not see that. You are an anti-Semite and anti-Israel BE, but that really isn't the point of the conversation. What makes you think others have not observed both sides of this discussion and simply come to a different position? I will discuss any part of the ME conflict. Do you want to discuss why the rest of the Arabic world has disassociated themselves from the people of Gaza and has used the people of Gaza for three generations? Do you want to discuss the 1967 War? Do you want to discuss the post-1973 war treatment of the people of Gaza? Do you want to discuss how the people of Gaza are being poorly served by Hamas? Would you like to discuss how the real linchpin in the ME is Egypt, not Israel, not Iran and not the various terrorists groups? I'd be glad to discuss any of these subjects, since each is nothing more than a different stage in the long line of ME injustices, perpetrated by both sides. What I am not going to do is listen to unfounded diatribes about bogeymen controlling the media. Pilger's films are on his webpage johnpilger.com/ , so unless he is censoring his own films, they are easily available, putting to rest your silly notion of censorship. If you want to have a discussion on these issues, I'm ready to do so, without snark and with historical evidence. We can have differences of opinion on these events, but bring your lunch, as the debate will need be as long as the conflict itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 5:32:27 GMT -5
Maybe the Joooooo's ought to pull a Dresden? I mean I loaned my support! LOLOLOLOLOLOL Hercules, what kept you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 5:50:27 GMT -5
Your silly method of asking questions to avoid replies it your usual trick, and your refusal to discuss that which you find uncomfortable betrays your empty logic. To your mind, I would be an anti-Semite, that is the opinion of a bigot in my opinion. To a balanced reasonable poster, I am not even anti-Israel. I am anti-Zionist, anti-thieves and anti-murderers, there is a difference but bigoted minds will not see that. You are an anti-Semite and anti-Israel BE, but that really isn't the point of the conversation. You are a bigoted ignoramus to label me an anti-Semite just because I dare criticize Israel. You are full of huff and puff, and endless deflectory and obfuscational questions in your hasbara like methods. You claim you will discuss the issue and yet you won't view the video, who are you trying to kid? I believe that you are being intellectually dishonest.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 22, 2014 6:27:02 GMT -5
You are an anti-Semite and anti-Israel BE, but that really isn't the point of the conversation. You are a bigoted ignoramus to label me an anti-Semite just because I dare criticize Israel. You are full of huff and puff, and endless deflectory and obfuscational questions in your hasbara like methods. You claim you will discuss the issue and yet you won't view the video, who are you trying to kid? I believe that you are being intellectually dishonest. And I believe that you are an unmitigated supporter of Hamas and take pleasure in seeing the people of Israel attacked. There. We have the insults out of the way for the morning. I believe much of the problem in the ME today emerges because Great Britain underestimated the urgency of Herzl's Zionist movement and in their effort to grow the Empire into the ME as part of WWI did too little to bring the Arab states into the post-Balfour Declaration period. Because the Brits couldn't persuade the Arab tribes and states to participate in the mutual development of an Israeli state and a Palestinian state (as opposed to the geographic concept known as Palestine), the die was cast for where we are today. What are your thoughts on that opinion?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 7:50:06 GMT -5
You are a bigoted ignoramus to label me an anti-Semite just because I dare criticize Israel. You are full of huff and puff, and endless deflectory and obfuscational questions in your hasbara like methods. You claim you will discuss the issue and yet you won't view the video, who are you trying to kid? I believe that you are being intellectually dishonest. And I believe that you are an unmitigated supporter of Hamas and take pleasure in seeing the people of Israel attacked. There. We have the insults out of the way for the morning. Epic fail! I have already stated elsewhere in this thread that I neither agree with or condone the actions of Hamas, and your charge that I take pleasure in seeing the people of Israel attacked is a baseless lie, it is an attribution of a false position to me. You aught to be ashamed of yourself stooping to such a low level. I believe much of the problem in the ME today emerges because Great Britain underestimated the urgency of Herzl's Zionist movement and in their effort to grow the Empire into the ME as part of WWI did too little to bring the Arab states into the post-Balfour Declaration period. Because the Brits couldn't persuade the Arab tribes and states to participate in the mutual development of an Israeli state and a Palestinian state (as opposed to the geographic concept known as Palestine), the die was cast for where we are today. What are your thoughts on that opinion? Again you pose questions rather than address uncomfortable posts. I have no intention of answering your questions until you address my posts. I will not be sacked into your hasbara games.
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Post by stevez51 on Jul 22, 2014 8:19:52 GMT -5
You are a bigoted ignoramus to label me an anti-Semite just because I dare criticize Israel. You are full of huff and puff, and endless deflectory and obfuscational questions in your hasbara like methods. You claim you will discuss the issue and yet you won't view the video, who are you trying to kid? I believe that you are being intellectually dishonest. And I believe that you are an unmitigated supporter of Hamas and take pleasure in seeing the people of Israel attacked. There. We have the insults out of the way for the morning. I believe much of the problem in the ME today emerges because Great Britain underestimated the urgency of Herzl's Zionist movement and in their effort to grow the Empire into the ME as part of WWI did too little to bring the Arab states into the post-Balfour Declaration period. Because the Brits couldn't persuade the Arab tribes and states to participate in the mutual development of an Israeli state and a Palestinian state (as opposed to the geographic concept known as Palestine), the die was cast for where we are today. What are your thoughts on that opinion? It will begin with, You sir .... BE sounds like a Civil War General. Next he will challenge you to a dual because you dirtied his honor ......
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Post by middleoftheroad on Jul 22, 2014 8:26:44 GMT -5
And I believe that you are an unmitigated supporter of Hamas and take pleasure in seeing the people of Israel attacked. There. We have the insults out of the way for the morning. Epic fail! I have already stated elsewhere in this thread that I neither agree with or condone the actions of Hamas, and your charge that I take pleasure in seeing the people of Israel attacked is a baseless lie, it is an attribution of a false position to me. You aught to be ashamed of yourself stooping to such a low level. I believe much of the problem in the ME today emerges because Great Britain underestimated the urgency of Herzl's Zionist movement and in their effort to grow the Empire into the ME as part of WWI did too little to bring the Arab states into the post-Balfour Declaration period. Because the Brits couldn't persuade the Arab tribes and states to participate in the mutual development of an Israeli state and a Palestinian state (as opposed to the geographic concept known as Palestine), the die was cast for where we are today. What are your thoughts on that opinion? Again you pose questions rather than address uncomfortable posts. I have no intention of answering your questions until you address my posts. I will not be sacked into your hasbara games. I can't say I am surprised that you do not want to have a discussion, but I am disappointed. I've got client meetings most of the day, but will try to get back to this late this afternoon. Perhaps you will have changed your mind by then. Have a good day, BE.
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