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Post by rentedmule on Aug 22, 2014 4:46:50 GMT -5
Lets put this into perspective... Witnesses have come forward to say Brown was giving up to the cops when shot. So the riots are about the cops. There was a gun battle on Baltimore streets where a 3 yr old girl was shot and died. No witnesses have come forward about the shooter or shooters. So unless its a cop involved no one will help with an arrest??? That does seem to be how it works. Dozens of willing witnesses when a government or white person is the shooter. None when it is a tribal incident.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 22, 2014 6:32:06 GMT -5
Well said, Rentedmule...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 6:44:23 GMT -5
Lets put this into perspective... Witnesses have come forward to say Brown was giving up to the cops when shot. So the riots are about the cops. There was a gun battle on Baltimore streets where a 3 yr old girl was shot and died. No witnesses have come forward about the shooter or shooters. So unless its a cop involved no one will help with an arrest??? That does seem to be how it works. Dozens of willing witnesses when a government or white person is the shooter. None when it is a tribal incident. When it comes to the 3 year old those witnesses are considered snitches.
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Post by rentedmule on Aug 22, 2014 7:03:09 GMT -5
That does seem to be how it works. Dozens of willing witnesses when a government or white person is the shooter. None when it is a tribal incident. When it comes to the 3 year those witnesses are considered snitches. It's referred to by some of us as citizen nullification. One of the true exhibitions of citizens having the power to ignore the power of government. It's merely an obvious sign that the tribe in question prefers rule of tribe, as opposed to outsiders. It is not an unreasonable thing for citizens to do. It's generally a "last resort" type of action. For some reason it is class judged! The lower class gets immense respect and support from all levels of society, including government (!). The corporate class is labeled as unpatriotic and outlaws, the middle class labeled as surly, contentious and unappreciative. Seldom do people seem happy to actually get what they wish for!
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Post by alienrace on Aug 22, 2014 7:22:04 GMT -5
Well, back on topic, I'd say so far the evidence made public is only showing that a) he was not shot from behind and b) that the officer was struck in the face at some point.
Whether or not the killing was justified is certainly debatable at this point, but without any real evidence made public nobody can say for sure yet. If it's shown that the officer murdered this kid, then he needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 7:26:48 GMT -5
Well, back on topic, I'd say so far the evidence made public is only showing that a) he was not shot from behind and b) that the officer was struck in the face at some point. Whether or not the killing was justified is certainly debatable at this point, but without any real evidence made public nobody can say for sure yet. If it's shown that the officer murdered this kid, then he needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Well said.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 22, 2014 7:49:59 GMT -5
Well, back on topic, I'd say so far the evidence made public is only showing that a) he was not shot from behind and b) that the officer was struck in the face at some point. Whether or not the killing was justified is certainly debatable at this point, but without any real evidence made public nobody can say for sure yet. If it's shown that the officer murdered this kid, then he needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I agree...
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Post by highmc2 on Aug 22, 2014 7:50:41 GMT -5
That does seem to be how it works. Dozens of willing witnesses when a government or white person is the shooter. None when it is a tribal incident. When it comes to the 3 year old those witnesses are considered snitches. I'm pickin' up wat you is layin' down. You have the finger on the pulse of having to live in this blight everyday. It is caring white folks that truly understand the relationship between the citizens, the police, and the culture of violence which gives hope for a better tomorrow. Thank you for watching those few episodes of The Wire, and opening up this coffee table sociology discourse on minority issues.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 7:53:24 GMT -5
What is The Wire?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 22, 2014 8:00:58 GMT -5
I don't know either, I assume some show on cable. What I got from his post is that we can't have an opinion on this topic unless we are black.
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Post by highmc2 on Aug 22, 2014 8:31:58 GMT -5
I don't know either, I assume some show on cable. What I got from his post is that we can't have an opinion on this topic unless we are black. To a certain extent you are correct. None of us live in Ferguson, we are not cops in the community, and we don't have a true history of the relationship between the two. We also do not have real life experience with living in inner city Baltimore and the consequences of snitching. It all seems black and white, or right and wrong, but it is not our reality. Understanding the underlying issues is much more important then simply reacting and throwing out opinion.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 22, 2014 8:58:04 GMT -5
I don't know either, I assume some show on cable. What I got from his post is that we can't have an opinion on this topic unless we are black. To a certain extent you are correct. None of us live in Ferguson, we are not cops in the community, and we don't have a true history of the relationship between the two. We also do not have real life experience with living in inner city Baltimore and the consequences of snitching. It all seems black and white, or right and wrong, but it is not our reality. Understanding the underlying issues is much more important then simply reacting and throwing out opinion. But that is what we do here, react and throw out opinion. You also are allowed to react and throw out opinion. As for inner city rules, and conduct I can totally understand why witnesses do not want to come forward, being a witness means you also become a target from these criminals, and frankly who can afford to be a target nowadays. Whereas witnessing against a cop is much safer because we all know that most cops are not going to come and get payback, especially if the witness doesn't lie on the stand. This is the same reason that lots of people do not condemn Muslims for their actions, or criticize Islam, they do not want to become targets from terrorists, it is much easier and safer to criticize Christians since they by and large do not come and cut off your head.
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Post by kashmir on Aug 22, 2014 9:58:44 GMT -5
To a certain extent you are correct. None of us live in Ferguson, we are not cops in the community, and we don't have a true history of the relationship between the two. We also do not have real life experience with living in inner city Baltimore and the consequences of snitching. It all seems black and white, or right and wrong, but it is not our reality. Understanding the underlying issues is much more important then simply reacting and throwing out opinion. But that is what we do here, react and throw out opinion. You also are allowed to react and throw out opinion. As for inner city rules, and conduct I can totally understand why witnesses do not want to come forward, being a witness means you also become a target from these criminals, and frankly who can afford to be a target nowadays. Whereas witnessing against a cop is much safer because we all know that most cops are not going to come and get payback, especially if the witness doesn't lie on the stand. This is the same reason that lots of people do not condemn Muslims for their actions, or criticize Islam, they do not want to become targets from terrorists, it is much easier and safer to criticize Christians since they by and large do not come and cut off your head. Not anymore at least they don't……...
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 22, 2014 10:01:14 GMT -5
But that is what we do here, react and throw out opinion. You also are allowed to react and throw out opinion. As for inner city rules, and conduct I can totally understand why witnesses do not want to come forward, being a witness means you also become a target from these criminals, and frankly who can afford to be a target nowadays. Whereas witnessing against a cop is much safer because we all know that most cops are not going to come and get payback, especially if the witness doesn't lie on the stand. This is the same reason that lots of people do not condemn Muslims for their actions, or criticize Islam, they do not want to become targets from terrorists, it is much easier and safer to criticize Christians since they by and large do not come and cut off your head. Not anymore at least they don't……... That is why they can be criticized. Did you have some other point?
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Post by kashmir on Aug 22, 2014 10:09:22 GMT -5
Not anymore at least they don't……... That is why they can be criticized. Did you have some other point? I believe that there are extreme Christian groups that could cause harm…..religion draws the mentally unstable.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 22, 2014 10:12:27 GMT -5
I don't know either, I assume some show on cable. What I got from his post is that we can't have an opinion on this topic unless we are black. To a certain extent you are correct. None of us live in Ferguson, we are not cops in the community, and we don't have a true history of the relationship between the two. We also do not have real life experience with living in inner city Baltimore and the consequences of snitching. It all seems black and white, or right and wrong, but it is not our reality. Understanding the underlying issues is much more important then simply reacting and throwing out opinion. But if one were a community organizer now... And I'm serious...
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 22, 2014 10:21:44 GMT -5
That is why they can be criticized. Did you have some other point? I believe that there are extreme Christian groups that could cause harm…..religion draws the mentally unstable. Well the Westboro Baptists do come to mind, but for all the criticism that they have received I have not heard of them killing anyone yet. So please let us know which "extreme Christian group" you have in mind? Or is it just inside your mind (post) that you find these extremists? Or are you just referring to the random crazy, that isn't limited to religion, politics seems to draw a bunch of these crazies as well.
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Post by redleg on Aug 22, 2014 10:27:39 GMT -5
It wasn't , but I acknowledge your point of a lack of credible confirmation. The only ones reporting this were: Breitbart? The Inquisitor? Newsmax? American Thinker? You mean actual news organizations, instead of race baiting Democrat (sorry, that was redundant), Communist propaganda outlets?
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Post by highmc2 on Aug 22, 2014 10:30:49 GMT -5
To a certain extent you are correct. None of us live in Ferguson, we are not cops in the community, and we don't have a true history of the relationship between the two. We also do not have real life experience with living in inner city Baltimore and the consequences of snitching. It all seems black and white, or right and wrong, but it is not our reality. Understanding the underlying issues is much more important then simply reacting and throwing out opinion. But that is what we do here, react and throw out opinion. You also are allowed to react and throw out opinion. As for inner city rules, and conduct I can totally understand why witnesses do not want to come forward, being a witness means you also become a target from these criminals, and frankly who can afford to be a target nowadays. Whereas witnessing against a cop is much safer because we all know that most cops are not going to come and get payback, especially if the witness doesn't lie on the stand. This is the same reason that lots of people do not condemn Muslims for their actions, or criticize Islam, they do not want to become targets from terrorists, it is much easier and safer to criticize Christians since they by and large do not come and cut off your head. I guess that is kind of what makes messageboards twisted fun. I have just become increasingly frustrated with half-truths and lies being posted on the internet (not referring to SSLO) and the dopes that believe that drivel. If one states that dogs meow, I'm sure they can find some obscure blog which will agree with that opinion and they will spread it as fact. Many say that they have never seen this country so divided, and I lay much of that blame on what is on the internet. People seek consensus for their opinions, no matter how crazy, and see agreement as affirmation from the burning bush without considering the source. In regards to Ferguson, I can understand the protests, but not the opportunistic looting. The fact is that a man was shot 6 times and was unarmed. It may serve the Ferguson PD to equip it's officers with tazers or other non-lethal stopping weapons. I agree that this should be played out in the courts, as I don't believe the public has been all the facts. It just seems odd that in a society where one can't pick his nose without being on youtube that there is not any worthwhile video from anyone on this incident.
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Post by Moses on Aug 22, 2014 10:55:10 GMT -5
I believe that there are extreme Christian groups that could cause harm…..religion draws the mentally unstable. Well the Westboro Baptists do come to mind, but for all the criticism that they have received I have not heard of them killing anyone yet. So please let us know which "extreme Christian group" you have in mind? Or is it just inside your mind (post) that you find these extremists? Or are you just referring to the random crazy, that isn't limited to religion, politics seems to draw a bunch of these crazies as well. Isn't America a Christian country? And we killed more Muslims then they have killed of us? Don't we have soldiers in many of their countries? They have no soldiers in our countries. I consider any country that fights unnecessary wars crazy. I consider the war on terror crazy. It has no end in sight. There really is no bona fide enemy.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 22, 2014 11:08:12 GMT -5
But that is what we do here, react and throw out opinion. You also are allowed to react and throw out opinion. As for inner city rules, and conduct I can totally understand why witnesses do not want to come forward, being a witness means you also become a target from these criminals, and frankly who can afford to be a target nowadays. Whereas witnessing against a cop is much safer because we all know that most cops are not going to come and get payback, especially if the witness doesn't lie on the stand. This is the same reason that lots of people do not condemn Muslims for their actions, or criticize Islam, they do not want to become targets from terrorists, it is much easier and safer to criticize Christians since they by and large do not come and cut off your head. I guess that is kind of what makes messageboards twisted fun. I have just become increasingly frustrated with half-truths and lies being posted on the internet (not referring to SSLO) and the dopes that believe that drivel. If one states that dogs meow, I'm sure they can find some obscure blog which will agree with that opinion and they will spread it as fact. Many say that they have never seen this country so divided, and I lay much of that blame on what is on the internet. People seek consensus for their opinions, no matter how crazy, and see agreement as affirmation from the burning bush without considering the source. In regards to Ferguson, I can understand the protests, but not the opportunistic looting. The fact is that a man was shot 6 times and was unarmed. It may serve the Ferguson PD to equip it's officers with tazers or other non-lethal stopping weapons. I agree that this should be played out in the courts, as I don't believe the public has been all the facts. It just seems odd that in a society where one can't pick his nose without being on youtube that there is not any worthwhile video from anyone on this incident. Good post, I agree. For a long time I have subscribed to the theory that we are all suffering from information overload, there is so much that as you say you can pick and choose what to believe and someone out there will agree. What this really means is that we are all now on our own to believe what we will because there is no one uniform information source to spoon feed us the correct party line. Personally I think it is a good thing, but there are quite a few out there that must have some expert tell them what to think. As to Ferguson I mostly agree again, the point I would disagree with is that a 300lb 6'4" angry person is never unarmed, and can kill quite easily someone smaller than themselves. That said I would like to see less militarization of the police and more cameras on their ever action.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 22, 2014 11:09:46 GMT -5
Well the Westboro Baptists do come to mind, but for all the criticism that they have received I have not heard of them killing anyone yet. So please let us know which "extreme Christian group" you have in mind? Or is it just inside your mind (post) that you find these extremists? Or are you just referring to the random crazy, that isn't limited to religion, politics seems to draw a bunch of these crazies as well. Isn't America a Christian country? And we killed more Muslims then they have killed of us? Don't we have soldiers in many of their countries? They have no soldiers in our countries. I consider any country that fights unnecessary wars crazy. I consider the war on terror crazy. It has no end in sight. There really is no bona fide enemy. We didn't kill them because they said bad things about Christians, so no there is no comparison. As to fighting unnecessary wars you would have to come to an agreement about unnecessary, I would contend that those who start wars always feel they are necessary.
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Post by Moses on Aug 22, 2014 11:19:08 GMT -5
Isn't America a Christian country? And we killed more Muslims then they have killed of us? Don't we have soldiers in many of their countries? They have no soldiers in our countries. I consider any country that fights unnecessary wars crazy. I consider the war on terror crazy. It has no end in sight. There really is no bona fide enemy. We didn't kill them because they said bad things about Christians, so no there is no comparison. As to fighting unnecessary wars you would have to come to an agreement about unnecessary, I would contend that those who start wars always feel they are necessary. What a load of crap.
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