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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:24:30 GMT -5
I heard the head wound was the last one since it was the fatal wound. Sounds more to me that he might have been bending over from all the other wounds, i.e. about to collapse. Of course he could have still been charging the officer. I would be interested in the toxicology report as well to see if he was high on anything, why else would he keep advancing while being shot. I doubt the one on top of his head was the fatal one. There was one through his right eye. That was probably fatal. It's hard to say, really. The diagram I saw seemed to have wounds up his right side in more or less a straight line. I wonder if Brown bent over to charge the officer. Or, perhaps the recoil caused the officer to raise the gun barrel. I heard one report say that the wound in the right eye was not necessarily fatal... that bullet traveled down through the face and exited under the jaw, re-entering near his right clavicle... the same individual said the only wound that appeared mortal was the head wound... the bullet from which was still inside the body (head)... One eye witness said MB was "bullrushing" the officer... which might indicate his head being down accounting for the trajectory of the eye wound downward (through the face) toward the cheek... where it exited... and the mortal wound in the TOP of his head with the trajectory down... (hard to shoot a man in the top of the head when he's taller than you are)... trajectory reports, so far as I know, have not been released... they will come from the x-rays taken of the body before the autopsy... Toxicology reports may be interesting...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:31:01 GMT -5
Dr. Michael Baden's autopsy, according to the news this morning (98Rock) was inconclusive. He found a shot to the top of Brown's head, which he said could have come as he was charging the officer... or as he was on his knees in surrender. Baden did not know. He found four shots to Brown's arm. Whatever else he found, they did not report. I would imagine Holder has ordered a second autopsy because he's unhappy with the result of the first one, and wants a different result. That's the usual reason power duplicates effort. Not necessarily... if the feds are contemplating a civil rights charge... and they are... they might want their own autopsy rather than that of the state... to say that he "wants a different result" is pure speculation on your part... and political... You forgot the eye shot...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:33:46 GMT -5
Dr. Michael Baden's autopsy, according to the news this morning (98Rock) was inconclusive. He found a shot to the top of Brown's head, which he said could have come as he was charging the officer... or as he was on his knees in surrender. Baden did not know. He found four shots to Brown's arm. Whatever else he found, they did not report. I would imagine Holder has ordered a second autopsy because he's unhappy with the result of the first one, and wants a different result. That's the usual reason power duplicates effort. None of the witnesses said anything about him being on his knees. Pure speculation on Baden's part... and he should not have even suggested it...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:35:13 GMT -5
Maybe there were two fatal ones. linkSo if the head shots were last then the arm shots were first, somehow I doubt the officers first shots would be to a raised suspects arms, but to aim at the body, so in my opinion at least his right arm was down. Ah. I didn't see those details, and assumed the one on top of his head was just a graze. Sounds to me like he was charging the officer and bent over. It would make sense that the officer would shoot if Brown were charging him. That's what one unknowing witness to the shooting said... he said Brown just kept charging even after the first few shots...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:37:53 GMT -5
Jesse Jackson was booed when he wanted donations after speakng today in Ferguson. Was that before or after he lead a peaceful protest? If you believe BizPac, Fox News blog..... It explains your posts........ It's not unheard of for Jackson to request donations... he's a well known man and highly respected by many in the Black community... and he didn't travel to St Louis and stay there free of charge... I'm sure Al would have accepted a buck or two himself... neither are being paid by someone else to be there like the "reporters" are...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:39:55 GMT -5
Was that before or after he lead a peaceful protest? If you believe BizPac, Fox News blog..... It explains your posts........ Well there is also twitter. linkOf course all the google links I found were from conservative sites, not a real surprise that leftie sights are not even mentioning it, they are not known for saying anything truthful about other lefties. That's because it isn't inflammatory and ambulance chasing... a favorite of FN&EC...
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 19, 2014 7:40:34 GMT -5
I suppose it would discredit another witness. But even if his hands were up, that's not necessarily a surrender. The family lawyer today was suggesting his head was down in surrender. Which is how he got the wound on top of his head. So I guess we're now trying to argue his hands were up while his head was down. To me that sounds more like he was charging the officer. Yes, that is my main point, the eye witnesses. If his hands were not up, the witness is discredited which means the officer's story is more likely. I just see now way that the head wounds came first, since they likely would have caused him to collapse to the ground. So the officer, trained to fire to stop a suspect, shoot until the suspect is no longer a danger fires six times, the last two hitting the mark as it were. All right sided and in an upward trajectory seems to point to this. Ballistics will be interesting to show how far way, roughly, the officer was to the suspect; plus how tall was the officer. We know the suspect is over 6 feet. The only real questions I have left that would sway my opinion that the officer was in the right, is why did he shoot? Or, did the scuffle at or in the car really happen also, was the young man, the suspect, (he was guilty of breaking one law when stopped) on any drugs? The officer had wounds also, so it seems that the altercation in the police car did occur, not to mention the shot from inside the car.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:40:47 GMT -5
Well there is also twitter. linkOf course all the google links I found were from conservative sites, not a real surprise that leftie sights are not even mentioning it, they are not known for saying anything truthful about other lefties. Jesse is useless. You just don't like Jesse... which is okay... just admit it... But Jesse and Al are both well respected by many in the Black community... you're just not from that community... and it shows...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:42:38 GMT -5
Most religion is useless, religious figureheads are useless, take the Pope for instance, useless. I'll bet we'll find out that if we really look into what the Rev. Jesse Jackson has done in his life to help people, will find out he's actually been a pretty good person. Same with Al Sharpton. But here are the right wingers again. Overplaying their hand. And they wonder why blacks don't vote for them. They just hate 'em... primarily because they just happen to be... Black... there is a name for that attitude, you know...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:45:25 GMT -5
You're talking about a reverend. Awesome. You hate Kerry too.... Decorated war hero You attack Jane Fonda: 31 year old movie starlet. Nice, mom . Um, the post just above the one you quoted referred to the Pope as "useless." Just thought I'd point that out because I'd hate to see your sensibilities become so selectively offended. BTW... I have been wondering... what has the Pope had to say about Ferguson... (I haven't exercised intrinsic value and checked)... any word?...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:52:00 GMT -5
I suppose it would discredit another witness. But even if his hands were up, that's not necessarily a surrender. The family lawyer today was suggesting his head was down in surrender. Which is how he got the wound on top of his head. So I guess we're now trying to argue his hands were up while his head was down. To me that sounds more like he was charging the officer. Yes, that is my main point, the eye witnesses. If his hands were not up, the witness is discredited which means the officer's story is more likely. I just see now way that the head wounds came first, since they likely would have caused him to collapse to the ground. So the officer, trained to fire to stop a suspect, shoot until the suspect is no longer a danger fires six times, the last two hitting the mark as it were. All right sided and in an upward trajectory seems to point to this. Ballistics will be interesting to show how far way, roughly, the officer was to the suspect; plus how tall was the officer. We know the suspect is over 6 feet. The only real questions I have left that would sway my opinion that the officer was in the right, is why did he shoot? Or, did the scuffle at or in the car really happen also, was the young man, the suspect, (he was guilty of breaking one law when stopped) on any drugs? I'm 6' 4"... 260 pounds... but if a dude as tall as me and near 300 pounds where charging at me... and I had a gun... I'd likely pop a cap or two on him till he stopped too... even the eye shot may not have stopped him... especially if he were on some kind of drug... (remember Southeast Asia where they kept coming when pumped full of holes)...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:55:18 GMT -5
Yes, that is my main point, the eye witnesses. If his hands were not up, the witness is discredited which means the officer's story is more likely. I just see now way that the head wounds came first, since they likely would have caused him to collapse to the ground. So the officer, trained to fire to stop a suspect, shoot until the suspect is no longer a danger fires six times, the last two hitting the mark as it were. All right sided and in an upward trajectory seems to point to this. Ballistics will be interesting to show how far way, roughly, the officer was to the suspect; plus how tall was the officer. We know the suspect is over 6 feet. The only real questions I have left that would sway my opinion that the officer was in the right, is why did he shoot? Or, did the scuffle at or in the car really happen also, was the young man, the suspect, (he was guilty of breaking one law when stopped) on any drugs? The officer had wounds also, so it seems that the altercation in the police car did occur, not to mention the shot from inside the car. IF there was a shot inside the car... there's little doubt that there will be evidence of it... If all this turns out to be justifiable... are the protesters going to be liable for all the damage in Ferguson?...
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Post by redleg on Aug 19, 2014 8:01:52 GMT -5
I'll bet we'll find out that if we really look into what the Rev. Jesse Jackson has done in his life to help people, will find out he's actually been a pretty good person. Same with Al Sharpton. But here are the right wingers again. Overplaying their hand. And they wonder why blacks don't vote for them. They just hate 'em... primarily because they just happen to be... Black... there is a name for that attitude, you know... Yes, they are black. And in Al's case, party to incitement to riot, murder, arson, perjury, and extortion. Remember Tawana Brawley? The race riots Al instigated where 7 people were killed and a store burned down?
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 8:06:18 GMT -5
They just hate 'em... primarily because they just happen to be... Black... there is a name for that attitude, you know... Yes, they are black. And in Al's case, party to incitement to riot, murder, arson, perjury, and extortion. Remember Tawana Brawley? The race riots Al instigated where 7 people were killed and a store burned down? Yeah... but a lot of folks believed Tawanta Brawley in the beginning... you can't blame every stupid act by someone else on Big Al... well, yes, YOU can...
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 19, 2014 10:54:53 GMT -5
Pure speculation on Baden's part... and he should not have even suggested it... I'm not even sure he said that. All I *know* that he said was that one shot went into the top of Brown's skull, and that he could not conclude anything else from the forensic data. Holder is an extremely partisan man and highly political. Anyone who reaches his level of government is highly political. I speculate that he has ordered a second autopsy for those reasons, and not because he believes the former CME of New York (city) is incompetent. People in power usually keep asking different experts their question until they find someone who agrees with what they believe. That's how Bush talked us into invading Iraq.
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 19, 2014 15:53:11 GMT -5
I think Missouri is in the midwest. Or are you confusing it with the Civil War .. Have you read anything about Missouri? It's history? What do you think? As a state, Missouri is in the midwest. Yes I know its history.
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 16:04:45 GMT -5
They just hate 'em... primarily because they just happen to be... Black... there is a name for that attitude, you know... Yes, they are black. And in Al's case, party to incitement to riot, murder, arson, perjury, and extortion. Remember Tawana Brawley? The race riots Al instigated where 7 people were killed and a store burned down? Yes, I remember her, Redleg... but I wouldn't necessarily say Al "instigated" it... and I know you are never going to let anyone forget it...
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 19, 2014 16:05:05 GMT -5
Well, you're entitled to your beliefs. So it shouldn't bother you then if someone posits that the Reverend Jesse Jackson is just as equally dispensable. Yet for some reason, you seemed to take exception to that comment. So if I'm understanding you correctly, the Pope is fair game but the Reverend Jesse Jackson is off-limits?
The pope is worthless to me, but I bet he's a really nice guy, and I'll bet he does a lot of good things for people. As a matter fact a lot of the stuff that I've heard about him is actually pretty good. He's kind of progressive. So How's them beans? Because I'm not a mean spirited and with an agenda, like you are here, just having to prove that your fav dittohead punching bags are bad people, to the point you lie to yourself that they have done no good in the world. I'm glad I don't have to take that low road. Have a nice day. Thanks for the snark. A poster gives you a straight forward answer and your response is to attack them. So you wonder why you are a target ........
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Post by alienrace on Aug 19, 2014 16:05:08 GMT -5
If all this turns out to be justifiable... are the protesters going to be liable for all the damage in Ferguson?... They should be liable regardless. The behavior is inexcusable.
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Post by stevez51 on Aug 19, 2014 16:06:16 GMT -5
Yes, they are black. And in Al's case, party to incitement to riot, murder, arson, perjury, and extortion. Remember Tawana Brawley? The race riots Al instigated where 7 people were killed and a store burned down? Yes, I remember her, Redleg... but I wouldn't necessarily say Al "instigated" it... and I know you are never going to let anyone forget it... Well he sure didn't help to calm down the situation.........
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 16:08:08 GMT -5
If all this turns out to be justifiable... are the protesters going to be liable for all the damage in Ferguson?... They should be liable regardless. The behavior is inexcusable. I agree...
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 16:13:04 GMT -5
Pure speculation on Baden's part... and he should not have even suggested it... I'm not even sure he said that. All I *know* that he said was that one shot went into the top of Brown's skull, and that he could not conclude anything else from the forensic data. Holder is an extremely partisan man and highly political. Anyone who reaches his level of government is highly political. I speculate that he has ordered a second autopsy for those reasons, and not because he believes the former CME of New York (city) is incompetent. People in power usually keep asking different experts their question until they find someone who agrees with what they believe. That's how Bush talked us into invading Iraq. I didn't see all of Baden's, or his associate's, interviews but he/they did say it or something very similar to it... neither of which either of them should have said because it can't be proven by the ME... (the charging or the kneeling)... such "speculation" can only cause further incitement in an already incited community...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 16:46:26 GMT -5
If all this turns out to be justifiable... are the protesters going to be liable for all the damage in Ferguson?... They should be liable regardless. The behavior is inexcusable. There is never an excuse for looting. Those looting are NOT concerned with the death of Michael Brown.
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Post by Moses on Aug 19, 2014 16:48:19 GMT -5
The pope is worthless to me, but I bet he's a really nice guy, and I'll bet he does a lot of good things for people. As a matter fact a lot of the stuff that I've heard about him is actually pretty good. He's kind of progressive. So How's them beans? Because I'm not a mean spirited and with an agenda, like you are here, just having to prove that your fav dittohead punching bags are bad people, to the point you lie to yourself that they have done no good in the world. I'm glad I don't have to take that low road. Have a nice day. Thanks for the snark. A poster gives you a straight forward answer and your response is to attack them. So you wonder why you are a target ........ Partisanship and perspective will kill ya! Lol
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Post by Moses on Aug 19, 2014 16:49:09 GMT -5
A poster gives you a straight forward answer and your response is to attack them. So you wonder why you are a target ........ Partisanship and perspective will kill ya! Lol And now you finally admit I'm a target. I knew it all along.
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