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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:11:15 GMT -5
Just another opinion, nothing more. White man killed in the south by a black man, yea right. I think Missouri is in the midwest. Or are you confusing it with the Civil War .. Good catch.
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Post by oscar on Aug 18, 2014 19:21:35 GMT -5
I would like to know if the wounds on his arm are front to back, or back to front. That would also tell if his arms were raised, as many "witnesses" claim. Not sure that would really matter, because we'd need to know why his arms were raised: attack, or surrender. According to eye witnesses, he had his arms up. So if the wounds show he did not, that would change the entire account of what the witness's have said.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 18, 2014 19:22:23 GMT -5
Running at someone with arms raised is a popular martial arts move, for sure! Yes, it is. It's called "house cat style." It also seems to be a favorite of The Mummy, and Dracula. Maybe that's where he got his moves. Hell, we don't even know if he had his hands up at all. Well it seems he was shot several times in his right arm, I am sure we would have heard if it was on the underside. So I am going to go with the top side and that at least his right arm wasn't up.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 18, 2014 19:23:24 GMT -5
Not sure that would really matter, because we'd need to know why his arms were raised: attack, or surrender. According to eye witnesses, he had his arms up. So if the wounds show he did not, that would change the entire account of what the witness's have said. The first eye witness has not been very credible so far, he is after all a suspect in the robbery.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 18, 2014 19:29:49 GMT -5
Not sure that would really matter, because we'd need to know why his arms were raised: attack, or surrender. According to eye witnesses, he had his arms up. So if the wounds show he did not, that would change the entire account of what the witness's have said. I suppose it would discredit another witness. But even if his hands were up, that's not necessarily a surrender. The family lawyer today was suggesting his head was down in surrender. Which is how he got the wound on top of his head. So I guess we're now trying to argue his hands were up while his head was down. To me that sounds more like he was charging the officer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:30:25 GMT -5
Jesse Jackson was booed when he wanted donations after speakng today in Ferguson.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 18, 2014 19:34:27 GMT -5
According to eye witnesses, he had his arms up. So if the wounds show he did not, that would change the entire account of what the witness's have said. I suppose it would discredit another witness. But even if his hands were up, that's not necessarily a surrender. The family lawyer today was suggesting his head was down in surrender. Which is how he got the wound on top of his head. So I guess we're now trying to argue his hands were up while his head was down. To me that sounds more like he was charging the officer. I heard the head wound was the last one since it was the fatal wound. Sounds more to me that he might have been bending over from all the other wounds, i.e. about to collapse. Of course he could have still been charging the officer. I would be interested in the toxicology report as well to see if he was high on anything, why else would he keep advancing while being shot.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 18, 2014 19:39:07 GMT -5
I suppose it would discredit another witness. But even if his hands were up, that's not necessarily a surrender. The family lawyer today was suggesting his head was down in surrender. Which is how he got the wound on top of his head. So I guess we're now trying to argue his hands were up while his head was down. To me that sounds more like he was charging the officer. I heard the head wound was the last one since it was the fatal wound. Sounds more to me that he might have been bending over from all the other wounds, i.e. about to collapse. Of course he could have still been charging the officer. I would be interested in the toxicology report as well to see if he was high on anything, why else would he keep advancing while being shot. I doubt the one on top of his head was the fatal one. There was one through his right eye. That was probably fatal. It's hard to say, really. The diagram I saw seemed to have wounds up his right side in more or less a straight line. I wonder if Brown bent over to charge the officer. Or, perhaps the recoil caused the officer to raise the gun barrel.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 18, 2014 19:50:30 GMT -5
Dr. Michael Baden's autopsy, according to the news this morning (98Rock) was inconclusive. He found a shot to the top of Brown's head, which he said could have come as he was charging the officer... or as he was on his knees in surrender. Baden did not know. He found four shots to Brown's arm. Whatever else he found, they did not report.
I would imagine Holder has ordered a second autopsy because he's unhappy with the result of the first one, and wants a different result. That's the usual reason power duplicates effort.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 18, 2014 19:55:49 GMT -5
I heard the head wound was the last one since it was the fatal wound. Sounds more to me that he might have been bending over from all the other wounds, i.e. about to collapse. Of course he could have still been charging the officer. I would be interested in the toxicology report as well to see if he was high on anything, why else would he keep advancing while being shot. I doubt the one on top of his head was the fatal one. There was one through his right eye. That was probably fatal. It's hard to say, really. The diagram I saw seemed to have wounds up his right side in more or less a straight line. I wonder if Brown bent over to charge the officer. Or, perhaps the recoil caused the officer to raise the gun barrel. Maybe there were two fatal ones. linkSo if the head shots were last then the arm shots were first, somehow I doubt the officers first shots would be to a raised suspects arms, but to aim at the body, so in my opinion at least his right arm was down.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 18, 2014 19:56:43 GMT -5
Dr. Michael Baden's autopsy, according to the news this morning (98Rock) was inconclusive. He found a shot to the top of Brown's head, which he said could have come as he was charging the officer... or as he was on his knees in surrender. Baden did not know. He found four shots to Brown's arm. Whatever else he found, they did not report. I would imagine Holder has ordered a second autopsy because he's unhappy with the result of the first one, and wants a different result. That's the usual reason power duplicates effort. None of the witnesses said anything about him being on his knees.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 18, 2014 20:00:12 GMT -5
I doubt the one on top of his head was the fatal one. There was one through his right eye. That was probably fatal. It's hard to say, really. The diagram I saw seemed to have wounds up his right side in more or less a straight line. I wonder if Brown bent over to charge the officer. Or, perhaps the recoil caused the officer to raise the gun barrel. Maybe there were two fatal ones. linkSo if the head shots were last then the arm shots were first, somehow I doubt the officers first shots would be to a raised suspects arms, but to aim at the body, so in my opinion at least his right arm was down. Ah. I didn't see those details, and assumed the one on top of his head was just a graze. Sounds to me like he was charging the officer and bent over. It would make sense that the officer would shoot if Brown were charging him.
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Post by kashmir on Aug 18, 2014 20:02:26 GMT -5
Jesse Jackson was booed when he wanted donations after speakng today in Ferguson. Was that before or after he lead a peaceful protest? If you believe BizPac, Fox News blog..... It explains your posts........
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 18, 2014 20:07:07 GMT -5
Jesse Jackson was booed when he wanted donations after speakng today in Ferguson. Was that before or after he lead a peaceful protest? If you believe BizPac, Fox News blog..... It explains your posts........ Well there is also twitter. linkOf course all the google links I found were from conservative sites, not a real surprise that leftie sights are not even mentioning it, they are not known for saying anything truthful about other lefties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 20:11:06 GMT -5
Was that before or after he lead a peaceful protest? If you believe BizPac, Fox News blog..... It explains yolour posts........ Well there is also twitter. linkOf course all the google links I found were from conservative sites, not a real surprise that leftie sights are not even mentioning it, they are not known for saying anything truthful about other lefties. Jesse is useless.
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Post by kashmir on Aug 18, 2014 20:56:55 GMT -5
Well there is also twitter. linkOf course all the google links I found were from conservative sites, not a real surprise that leftie sights are not even mentioning it, they are not known for saying anything truthful about other lefties. Jesse is useless. Most religion is useless, religious figureheads are useless, take the Pope for instance, useless.
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Post by Moses on Aug 18, 2014 23:54:29 GMT -5
Well there is also twitter. linkOf course all the google links I found were from conservative sites, not a real surprise that leftie sights are not even mentioning it, they are not known for saying anything truthful about other lefties. Jesse is useless. You're talking about a reverend. Awesome. You hate Kerry too.... Decorated war hero You attack Jane Fonda: 31 year old movie starlet. Nice, mom .
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Post by Moses on Aug 18, 2014 23:57:02 GMT -5
Most religion is useless, religious figureheads are useless, take the Pope for instance, useless. I'll bet we'll find out that if we really look into what the Rev. Jesse Jackson has done in his life to help people, will find out he's actually been a pretty good person. Same with Al Sharpton. But here are the right wingers again. Overplaying their hand. And they wonder why blacks don't vote for them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 0:15:57 GMT -5
You're talking about a reverend. Awesome. You hate Kerry too.... Decorated war hero You attack Jane Fonda: 31 year old movie starlet. Nice, mom . Um, the post just above the one you quoted referred to the Pope as "useless." Just thought I'd point that out because I'd hate to see your sensibilities become so selectively offended.
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Post by Moses on Aug 19, 2014 0:53:26 GMT -5
You're talking about a reverend. Awesome. You hate Kerry too.... Decorated war hero You attack Jane Fonda: 31 year old movie starlet. Nice, mom . Um, the post just above the one you quoted referred to the Pope as "useless." Just thought I'd point that out because I'd hate to see your sensibilities become so selectively offended. Huh? I think he's useless too! I am not a catholic and don't believe in man selected deities.
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Post by Moses on Aug 19, 2014 0:54:34 GMT -5
I'm happy to provide y'all with a sniping target. Take your best shot. But sometimes the sky IS just blue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 1:03:50 GMT -5
Um, the post just above the one you quoted referred to the Pope as "useless." Just thought I'd point that out because I'd hate to see your sensibilities become so selectively offended. Huh? I think he's useless too! I am not a catholic and don't believe in man selected deities. Well, you're entitled to your beliefs. So it shouldn't bother you then if someone posits that the Reverend Jesse Jackson is just as equally dispensable. Yet for some reason, you seemed to take exception to that comment. So if I'm understanding you correctly, the Pope is fair game but the Reverend Jesse Jackson is off-limits?
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Post by Moses on Aug 19, 2014 1:46:16 GMT -5
Huh? I think he's useless too! I am not a catholic and don't believe in man selected deities. Well, you're entitled to your beliefs. So it shouldn't bother you then if someone posits that the Reverend Jesse Jackson is just as equally dispensable. Yet for some reason, you seemed to take exception to that comment. So if I'm understanding you correctly, the Pope is fair game but the Reverend Jesse Jackson is off-limits?
The pope is worthless to me, but I bet he's a really nice guy, and I'll bet he does a lot of good things for people. As a matter fact a lot of the stuff that I've heard about him is actually pretty good. He's kind of progressive. So How's them beans? Because I'm not a mean spirited and with an agenda, like you are here, just having to prove that your fav dittohead punching bags are bad people, to the point you lie to yourself that they have done no good in the world. I'm glad I don't have to take that low road. Have a nice day. Thanks for the snark.
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Post by oscar on Aug 19, 2014 6:33:53 GMT -5
According to eye witnesses, he had his arms up. So if the wounds show he did not, that would change the entire account of what the witness's have said. I suppose it would discredit another witness. But even if his hands were up, that's not necessarily a surrender. The family lawyer today was suggesting his head was down in surrender. Which is how he got the wound on top of his head. So I guess we're now trying to argue his hands were up while his head was down. To me that sounds more like he was charging the officer. Yes, that is my main point, the eye witnesses. If his hands were not up, the witness is discredited which means the officer's story is more likely. I just see now way that the head wounds came first, since they likely would have caused him to collapse to the ground. So the officer, trained to fire to stop a suspect, shoot until the suspect is no longer a danger fires six times, the last two hitting the mark as it were. All right sided and in an upward trajectory seems to point to this. Ballistics will be interesting to show how far way, roughly, the officer was to the suspect; plus how tall was the officer. We know the suspect is over 6 feet. The only real questions I have left that would sway my opinion that the officer was in the right, is why did he shoot? Or, did the scuffle at or in the car really happen also, was the young man, the suspect, (he was guilty of breaking one law when stopped) on any drugs?
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Post by aboutwell on Aug 19, 2014 7:07:18 GMT -5
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