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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 20:06:06 GMT -5
The reason why it is not possible to have a reasonable discourse with you and people like you on the subject of Israel is because you will not accept any criticism of Israel. Your instant kneejerk reaction is to attack the messenger and close down the discussion and if possible the thread. What is despicable is the slaughter of more than 2100 Gazans by Israel and you not even acknowledging that fact. No one here has addressed the gross disproportionate response of Israel that continues, you all try to bury that... yeah, that's what's despicable. What did you think would happen BE? Hamas launched missiles and Israel tried to destroy the launchers. The launchers were placed in community areas specifically for the purpose of creating this level of casualties. Hamas was given the opportunity to come to a cease fire and refused repeatedly. The IDF launched a ground attack to get to the tunnels, a ground attack everyone with half a brain knew would create this imbalance of casualties. Should the Israelis have gone in with out body armor? Smaller weapons to make things even? That's not how wars are fought BE. Oh, I knew what would happen alright. We are talking about Israel, the country that thinks nothing about littering millions of cluster bombs in residential areas of the Lebanon, the country that is happy to use white phosphor against civilians... There was never any doubt about what would happen. 3 UN schools being used as shelters were targeted by the IDF, Hospitals have been targeted by the IDF... Your flippant stance is not one that a would expect from a truly impartial observer.
Only in Israel and some people in the US do not think that Israel's response has been vastly disproportionate. I have pity for those soulless people. Fortunately the vast majority of people out side of these two countries do see the Israeli response for what it is and some are already putting restrictions on trade with Israel, many others will follow suit as the slaughter goes on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 20:10:50 GMT -5
For the same reason Germany wanted to eliminate all of the Jews ? Which is what? Because Jews were sending suicide bombers into German markets and on to German buses? Because Jews were firing rockets into Berlin and other German cities? Because Jews were dedicated to the total destruction of Germany? Because Netanyahu is another Hitler who is blaming the Palestinians for the last war that the Jews lost? Who is the Israeli equivalent of Julius Streicher? Who is the Israeli equivalent of Emon Goeth? Who is the Israeli equivalent of Reinhard Heydrich? When did Israel hold its version of the Wannsee Conference? Where are the trains to the concentrations camps? Surely you can come up with something better than "For the same reason Germany wanted to eliminate all of the Jews?" Comprehend the sentence I wrote, look very hard and you will see the question mark. Still your failure to comprehend gave you good opportunity for a rant and some ridiculous sensationalism. Any honest comment on the topic of the thread or are you just going to try to derail it and get it closed down?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Aug 24, 2014 21:19:16 GMT -5
Oh, like the use of the term "anti-Semitism" you mean? To the extent it has been conflated with "anti-Judiaism" or "anti-Isreal", certainly. But that is not relevant to this thread. I know that matters to you, inasmuch as you said it does, earlier.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 24, 2014 21:53:03 GMT -5
2000 deaths is not genocide. Now if Israel nuked Gaza, then they would have a good start, of course there would still be millions of genetically related Palestinians around d the world left, not to mention those that actually live, and vote in Israel. Just because there are a lot of uninformed/misinformed people around the world does not make their opinion more valid.
P.S. just surviving the Holocaust does not make these people and their dependents experts on the middle east, and Israel.
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Post by redleg on Aug 24, 2014 22:49:48 GMT -5
It's difficult addressing this topic without turning this thread into a flame war. Do you think IJAN might contribute to the establishment of peace in Gaza by encouraging Hamas to permanently stop launching missiles into Israel? Or perhaps, encouraging Hamas not to stage its launchers in community settings? Perhaps they can encourage Hamas to not execute 18 Palestinians simply because Hamas thinks they cooperated with the Israelis? I find just a bit of irony that IJAN issues a statement condemning genocide when ISIS is showing the world on a daily basis the true eveil that is genocide. Without turning this topic into a flame war, it would be better to address this topic directly and not attempt to divert it with the usual 'what if Hamas...?' trick. Yes, ISIS is an evil entity and are attempting a 'genocide' of their own. However, this thread topic is about the Israeli 'genocide' of Palestinians in Gaza, I would appreciate it if you would stay on the topic of this thread. Sorry, you have been misinformed. It's Hamas that's committing genocide against the "Palestinians". Israel is simply defending herself.
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Post by redleg on Aug 24, 2014 22:52:08 GMT -5
And what "topic" would that be? That no group is totally monolithic in thought? Really, 40 holocaust survivors and 280 of their descendants. Think there might be a couple ten thousand survivors and their descendants that have the opposite point of view. You need to come up with a different shtick than "those horrible jews". "Shtick?"... it's a BBC article, I have made no comment on it yet, in fact no one has yet, care to be the first other than kneejerk defending "those horrible Jews"? BBC? You mean from the same country where members of Parliment fly the "Palestinian" flag, and have allowed Shari'a law to supplant British law? That has arrested people for saying things that might offend Muslims?
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Post by redleg on Aug 24, 2014 22:58:20 GMT -5
What did you think would happen BE? Hamas launched missiles and Israel tried to destroy the launchers. The launchers were placed in community areas specifically for the purpose of creating this level of casualties. Hamas was given the opportunity to come to a cease fire and refused repeatedly. The IDF launched a ground attack to get to the tunnels, a ground attack everyone with half a brain knew would create this imbalance of casualties. Should the Israelis have gone in with out body armor? Smaller weapons to make things even? That's not how wars are fought BE. Oh, I knew what would happen alright. We are talking about Israel, the country that thinks nothing about littering millions of cluster bombs in residential areas of the Lebanon, the country that is happy to use white phosphor against civilians... There was never any doubt about what would happen. 3 UN schools being used as shelters were targeted by the IDF, Hospitals have been targeted by the IDF... Your flippant stance is not one that a would expect from a truly impartial observer.
Only in Israel and some people in the US do not think that Israel's response has been vastly disproportionate. I have pity for those soulless people. Fortunately the vast majority of people out side of these two countries do see the Israeli response for what it is and some are already putting restrictions on trade with Israel, many others will follow suit as the slaughter goes on. So what? If the "Palestinians" don't want that to happen, stop Hamas from using schools, hospitals, and housing areas to fire their missiles from. Stop sending suicide bombers to kill Israeli children and civilians. Stop trying to destroy Israel. Those "shelters" were shelters for missiles and launch platforms. Don't want it to happen? Don't launch missiles from "shelters". No, a "disproportionate" response would be to nuke Gaza. Anything less is absolutely proportionate. Until Hamas stops firing missiles into Israel, they need to be eliminated. With extreme prejudice. And as long as the "Palestinians" allow it, they have no complaint about casualties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 6:04:08 GMT -5
Did someone just walk into the room and drop a malodorous fart?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Aug 25, 2014 6:59:17 GMT -5
Bald Eagle writes;
As opposed to those clever, paragons of virtue in Hamas who only use IEDs, suicide bombers, acid and execute people who try to protect themselves.
You should probably submit your proof that these facilities were targeted to the UN. Indeed, with proof like you must have, I'll drive you to New York. Absent that proof, one might reasonably assume that a HAMAS launcher was within the CEP of the Israeli's weapon accuracy and that Hamas put the weapon close to one of those sites.
Now, do mistakes and errrors happen? Absolutely. And note that I am not aruging that Israeli shells hit those sites. But to argue that the facilities were targeted without some proof is just another example of your unbalanced view of the ME.
Well then, you should be thrilled. Hamas gets to continue to target Israel and enslave the people of Gaza, and Israel gets to bear the brunt of the Hamas war.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 25, 2014 7:43:33 GMT -5
"Shtick?"... it's a BBC article, I have made no comment on it yet, in fact no one has yet, care to be the first other than kneejerk defending "those horrible Jews"? BBC? You mean from the same country where members of Parliment fly the "Palestinian" flag, and have allowed Shari'a law to supplant British law? That has arrested people for saying things that might offend Muslims? Another tid bit from Britain, the most popular boy baby name in 2014 is Mohammad, or a close variant. They should wake up and smell the sharia coming.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 7:58:15 GMT -5
"Shtick?"... it's a BBC article, I have made no comment on it yet, in fact no one has yet, care to be the first other than kneejerk defending "those horrible Jews"? BBC? You mean from the same country where members of Parliment fly the "Palestinian" flag, Yes, it's known as freedom, they have that over there. and have allowed Shari'a law to supplant British law? Absolute bullshyte that only redleg could come up with. That has arrested people for saying things that might offend Muslims? Actually it's for inciting civil disorder, they've been arrested for pissing off Jews, Sikhs, Queers and other minorities as well.
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Post by redleg on Aug 25, 2014 8:35:47 GMT -5
BBC? You mean from the same country where members of Parliment fly the "Palestinian" flag Yes, it's known as freedom, they have that over there. and have allowed Shari'a law to supplant British law? Absolute bullshyte that only redleg could come up with. That has arrested people for saying things that might offend Muslims? Actually it's for inciting civil disorder, they've been arrested for pissing off Jews, Sikhs, Queers and other minorities as well. As long as you consider being the first European member of the Caliphate "freedom". Really? You should get out more and read what's happening there. And your "civil disorder" only applies when Muslms might be offended. Afraid of more beheadings, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 8:41:11 GMT -5
Yes, it's known as freedom, they have that over there. Absolute bullshyte that only redleg could come up with. Actually it's for inciting civil disorder, they've been arrested for pissing off Jews, Sikhs, Queers and other minorities as well. As long as you consider being the first European member of the Caliphate "freedom". Really? You should get out more and read what's happening there. And your "civil disorder" only applies when Muslms might be offended. Afraid of more beheadings, I guess. You are in error on all three points. It is you that needs to get out more and 'see' what is happening, your reading is very suspect.
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Post by redleg on Aug 25, 2014 8:43:56 GMT -5
As long as you consider being the first European member of the Caliphate "freedom". Really? You should get out more and read what's happening there. And your "civil disorder" only applies when Muslms might be offended. Afraid of more beheadings, I guess. You are in error on all three points. It is you that needs to get out more and 'see' what is happening, your reading is very suspect. Really? What would happen if a member of your Parliment waved an Israeli flag on the floor of Parliment?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 8:56:46 GMT -5
You are in error on all three points. It is you that needs to get out more and 'see' what is happening, your reading is very suspect. Really? What would happen if a member of your Parliment waved an Israeli flag on the floor of Parliment? No member of Parliament has waved a Palestinian flag in Parliament to my knowledge, either way the same would happen to the bearer of either a Palestinian or an Israeli flag... very little, I would imagine.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 25, 2014 10:14:17 GMT -5
BBC? You mean from the same country where members of Parliment fly the "Palestinian" flag, and have allowed Shari'a law to supplant British law? That has arrested people for saying things that might offend Muslims? Another tid bit from Britain, the most popular boy baby name in 2014 is Mohammad, or a close variant. They should wake up and smell the sharia coming. To be fair, that only applies to London, not all of the country (it comes in at number 15, for the whole country): LINK And it also appears that Mulims in the UK aren't the least bit creative when it comes to naming their boys. It must be incredibly confusing to be a boy in a Madrassa.... probably anywhere in the world. As it probably goes without saying, at least half of your classmates will also be called Mohammed or some variation on that theme. Still, it must be incredibly frustrating for Britons to live in a country that did so much to bring freedom of thought and conscience to the world to turn around and find it so full of people that oppose those concepts to the point where all their boy children have the same name.
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Post by redleg on Aug 25, 2014 10:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by redleg on Aug 25, 2014 10:25:31 GMT -5
Really? What would happen if a member of your Parliment waved an Israeli flag on the floor of Parliment? No member of Parliament has waved a Palestinian flag in Parliament to my knowledge, either way the same would happen to the bearer of either a Palestinian or an Israeli flag... very little, I would imagine. You are correct. I misread the article www.trueactivist.com/the-palestinian-flag-projected-onto-uk-parliament/However, I suspect that anyone projecting an Israeli flag on Parliament would be now in jail awaiting trial for offending the ruling class. Possibly awaiting a beheading.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 11:25:37 GMT -5
You have just proved your own ignorance. Your original statement was that 'Sharia' Law had supplanted British Law. That is not the case. Sharia law is allowed in the UK only where it is acceptable in the UK, where it does not breach any current law and then has to be accepted by those under it. It can not be imposed on any British subject if they do not wish it to be so. This is exactly the same as 'Beth Din' (Jewish Law equivalent). It is getting tiresome having to constantly correct your misinformation and bigotry on this subject, take the bullshyte that you want to believe to the grave with you, your ignorance is no skin off of my nose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 11:27:26 GMT -5
No member of Parliament has waved a Palestinian flag in Parliament to my knowledge, either way the same would happen to the bearer of either a Palestinian or an Israeli flag... very little, I would imagine. You are correct. I misread the article www.trueactivist.com/the-palestinian-flag-projected-onto-uk-parliament/However, I suspect that anyone projecting an Israeli flag on Parliament would be now in jail awaiting trial for offending the ruling class. Possibly awaiting a beheading. You would suspect wrongly... no change there then.
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Post by winston on Aug 25, 2014 11:49:09 GMT -5
Is anyone here going to take the topic head on are you all going to attempt to divert it? The topic does not fit their agenda.
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Post by winston on Aug 25, 2014 11:52:11 GMT -5
Did someone just walk into the room and drop a malodorous fart? Anything that does not fit their agenda is malodorous.
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Post by winston on Aug 25, 2014 11:55:00 GMT -5
You have just proved your own ignorance. Your original statement was that 'Sharia' Law had supplanted British Law. That is not the case. Sharia law is allowed in the UK only where it is acceptable in the UK, where it does not breach any current law and then has to be accepted by those under it. It can not be imposed on any British subject if they do not wish it to be so. This is exactly the same as 'Beth Din' (Jewish Law equivalent). It is getting tiresome having to constantly correct your misinformation and bigotry on this subject, take the bullshyte that you want to believe to the grave with you, your ignorance is no skin off of my nose. The only thing he is taking to the grave is denial.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Aug 25, 2014 12:01:06 GMT -5
Is anyone here going to take the topic head on are you all going to attempt to divert it? The topic does not fit their agenda. I've responded to it twice, head on. BE and I just disagree on the premise of the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 12:47:25 GMT -5
The topic does not fit their agenda. I've responded to it twice, head on. BE and I just disagree on the premise of the thread. Not quite... Twice you have used it as a platform to promote your own agenda and use the "What if Hamas...?" trick.
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