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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 9:39:28 GMT -5
Bullshyte! You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper in. Read a standard (recognized) dictionary, not the redleg dictionary. Tell me, has US Law been supplanted by Beth Din? According to your logic it has. When Beth Din is brought into an American court (not a private Jewish one) then it would also be a violation of rule of law in the US. If sharia is limited to private rulings that do not violate the countries greater laws and is not brought into the court room then it too should be allowed, kind of like a private car club can have its own rules of conduct. What should never happen is to rule under the countries laws based on a subset of laws that are not legislated by public approval. You have just pretty much described how beth din and sharia laws operate in the UK. I fail to see your argument. Redlegs position is plainly out and out ridiculous, your position seems to be all over the place. In the UK as in the US, Joe Soap is totally unaffected by Sharia or Beth din unless he chooses to accept a private court ruling. He cannot be stoned, whipped, beheaded, have hands chopped off or any other punishment imposed on him, neither can a Muslim or a Jewish if the proposed punishment is not one which a British court of law would impose. Basically Sharia and Beth din are just local community, religious, tribal courts to settle local community, religious, tribal squabbles. If a Jewish or a Muslim are caught doing 40 mph in a 30 mph zone, they will be dealt with in a British court of law. If anyone violently attack a Jew or a Muslim, the will not be tried in a sharia or beth din court, they will be subject to the full weight of the law of the land.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 26, 2014 10:21:22 GMT -5
When Beth Din is brought into an American court (not a private Jewish one) then it would also be a violation of rule of law in the US. If sharia is limited to private rulings that do not violate the countries greater laws and is not brought into the court room then it too should be allowed, kind of like a private car club can have its own rules of conduct. What should never happen is to rule under the countries laws based on a subset of laws that are not legislated by public approval. You have just pretty much described how beth din and sharia laws operate in the UK. I fail to see your argument. Redlegs position is plainly out and out ridiculous, your position seems to be all over the place. In the UK as in the US, Joe Soap is totally unaffected by Sharia or Beth din unless he chooses to accept a private court ruling. He cannot be stoned, whipped, beheaded, have hands chopped off or any other punishment imposed on him, neither can a Muslim or a Jewish if the proposed punishment is not one which a British court of law would impose. Basically Sharia and Beth din are just local community, religious, tribal courts to settle local community, religious, tribal squabbles. If a Jewish or a Muslim are caught doing 40 mph in a 30 mph zone, they will be dealt with in a British court of law. If anyone violently attack a Jew or a Muslim, the will not be tried in a sharia or beth din court, they will be subject to the full weight of the law of the land. In some courts in the US sharia is being used to justify some criminal acts.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 26, 2014 10:26:30 GMT -5
linkSeems that the Saudi's are not siding with your Holcaust families in thinking this was Israels fault, so if there is a genocide going on it is being done by Hamas.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Aug 26, 2014 10:30:30 GMT -5
linkSeems that the Saudi's are not siding with your Holcaust families in thinking this was Israels fault, so if there is a genocide going on it is being done by Hamas. Just more of that hasbara claptrap from the Saudis, right BE?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 10:35:40 GMT -5
Saudis... are we talking about the same Saudis that knocked down the twin towers?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Aug 26, 2014 10:37:01 GMT -5
Saudis... are we talking about the same Saudis that knocked down the twin towers? Please try to stay on topic, BE.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 26, 2014 10:40:39 GMT -5
Saudis... are we talking about the same Saudis that knocked down the twin towers? Please try to stay on topic, BE. All he can do is divert, have you noticed that he hasn't voiced his opinion of the debate, only told others what not to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 10:40:58 GMT -5
Just thought I use some of that silly 'loose' logic that you boys use, it's as much on topic as the mention of Saudis by yourself and HAWGTP is.
Anyhow, since when did we start taking what the Saudis say as gospel?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 26, 2014 10:43:34 GMT -5
Just thought I use some of that silly 'loose' logic that you boys use, it's as much on topic as the mention of Saudis by yourself and HAWGTP is. Anyhow, since when did we start taking what the Saudis say as gospel? When it is an official source. When did we start talking about what some Holocaust families say as gospel?
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Post by middleoftheroad on Aug 26, 2014 11:03:58 GMT -5
Just thought I use some of that silly 'loose' logic that you boys use, it's as much on topic as the mention of Saudis by yourself and HAWGTP is. Anyhow, since when did we start taking what the Saudis say as gospel? When it is an official source. When did we start talking about what some Holocaust families say as gospel? Actually, I lend a lot of credence to what the Holocaust survivors say, as I believe they have earned a special microphone to discuss issues related to genocide. That said, holding only Israel responsible for the high number of civilian casualties among the people of Gaza is to deny reality - or evidence an abiding bias.
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Post by vosa on Aug 26, 2014 11:52:33 GMT -5
The term "disproportionate response" is totally irrelevant when you are in a fight for your life. Was the response of Britain, the U.S., the USSR and the other allies to Nazi Germany "disproportionate"? Of course it wasn't. And your constant reference to the "What if Hamas...?" question as a "trick" is just another way of dodging the truth. You know that if Hamas stopped trying to kill Israelis Israel would pull out of Gaza and never fire another shot in that direction, but admitting that doesn't fit with your "agenda". I figure somewhere along the line some Jew/Israeli pissed on your Yorkshire Pudding and you've been obsessed with Israel ever since. An ignorant bigot might well think that a "Jew/israel pissed on my Yorkshire Pudding", that would be because he deliberately conflates Israel with Jews. You might be correct if your statement was true, unfortunately it’s not. Notice that I said “Jew/Israeli”. For most folks that particular structure is construed to mean “Jew or Israeli” as in “he/she”. So saying that “Jew/Israeli” conflates Israel with Jews is like saying “he/she” conflates females with males. Because you probably don’t understand that this is where you get to type “claptrap” or some other admission of ignorance on this point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 15:33:46 GMT -5
Just thought I use some of that silly 'loose' logic that you boys use, it's as much on topic as the mention of Saudis by yourself and HAWGTP is. Anyhow, since when did we start taking what the Saudis say as gospel? When it is an official source. When did we start talking about what some Holocaust families say as gospel? When the source is official? God, that was easy, put up a bit of a fight, can't you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 15:35:51 GMT -5
An ignorant bigot might well think that a "Jew/israel pissed on my Yorkshire Pudding", that would be because he deliberately conflates Israel with Jews. You might be correct if your statement was true, unfortunately it’s not. Notice that I said “Jew/Israeli”. For most folks that particular structure is construed to mean “Jew or Israeli” as in “he/she”. So saying that “Jew/Israeli” conflates Israel with Jews is like saying “he/she” conflates females with males. Because you probably don’t understand that this is where you get to type “claptrap” or some other admission of ignorance on this point. Too funny.
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Post by vosa on Aug 26, 2014 15:43:25 GMT -5
You might be correct if your statement was true, unfortunately it’s not. Notice that I said “Jew/Israeli”. For most folks that particular structure is construed to mean “Jew or Israeli” as in “he/she”. So saying that “Jew/Israeli” conflates Israel with Jews is like saying “he/she” conflates females with males. Because you probably don’t understand that this is where you get to type “claptrap” or some other admission of ignorance on this point. Too funny. Q.E.D.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 15:52:52 GMT -5
Too funny. Q.E.D. Q.E.D. Indeed. So, if I have this right, using your theory, I could type, oh let's see: 'Dog turd/Jew/ dose of syphilis' and i haven't conflated anything or offended anyone?
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Post by vosa on Aug 26, 2014 16:11:56 GMT -5
Q.E.D. Indeed. So, if I have this right, using your theory, I could type, oh let's see: 'Dog turd/Jew/ dose of syphilis' and i haven't conflated anything or offended anyone? As used above it is meaningless. You have to use it in a sentence for it to make any sense. Let me help you out with that: Sentence:
a word, clause, or phrase or a group of clauses or phrases forming a syntactic unit which expresses an assertion, a question, a command, a wish, an exclamation, or the performance of an action, that in writing usually begins with a capital letter and concludes with appropriate end punctuation, and that in speaking is distinguished by characteristic patterns of stress, pitch, and pauses.Here's an example: "BE frequently uses words like Dog turd/Jew/dose of syphilis when he knows he has lost the argument."Now you try it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 17:24:43 GMT -5
Q.E.D. Indeed. So, if I have this right, using your theory, I could type, oh let's see: 'Dog turd/Jew/ dose of syphilis' and i haven't conflated anything or offended anyone? As used above it is meaningless. You have to use it in a sentence for it to make any sense. Let me help you out with that: Sentence:
a word, clause, or phrase or a group of clauses or phrases forming a syntactic unit which expresses an assertion, a question, a command, a wish, an exclamation, or the performance of an action, that in writing usually begins with a capital letter and concludes with appropriate end punctuation, and that in speaking is distinguished by characteristic patterns of stress, pitch, and pauses.Here's an example: "BE frequently uses words like Dog turd/Jew/dose of syphilis when he knows he has lost the argument."Now you try it. Holy Conflations! Cut and Paste Kid... so 'Thieving land grabbers/Murderous thugs/Israeli/Terrorist/Jews' is acceptable to you, who'd thunk it? Time for another cut 'n paste. Vo/sa.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Aug 26, 2014 18:26:48 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time to bury this stillborn string of nothing.
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Post by Ranger John on Aug 26, 2014 18:35:25 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time to bury this stillborn string of nothing. Agreed. I regret posting to it because now it shows up in my 'participated' indicator.
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Post by redleg on Aug 26, 2014 18:56:17 GMT -5
When Beth Din is brought into an American court (not a private Jewish one) then it would also be a violation of rule of law in the US. If sharia is limited to private rulings that do not violate the countries greater laws and is not brought into the court room then it too should be allowed, kind of like a private car club can have its own rules of conduct. What should never happen is to rule under the countries laws based on a subset of laws that are not legislated by public approval. You have just pretty much described how beth din and sharia laws operate in the UK. I fail to see your argument. Redlegs position is plainly out and out ridiculous, your position seems to be all over the place. In the UK as in the US, Joe Soap is totally unaffected by Sharia or Beth din unless he chooses to accept a private court ruling. He cannot be stoned, whipped, beheaded, have hands chopped off or any other punishment imposed on him, neither can a Muslim or a Jewish if the proposed punishment is not one which a British court of law would impose. Basically Sharia and Beth din are just local community, religious, tribal courts to settle local community, religious, tribal squabbles. If a Jewish or a Muslim are caught doing 40 mph in a 30 mph zone, they will be dealt with in a British court of law. If anyone violently attack a Jew or a Muslim, the will not be tried in a sharia or beth din court, they will be subject to the full weight of the law of the land. And yet, Shari'a is used to decide heirs, ownership of property, and rights in marriage, among other things. That supplant's British law.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 19:50:20 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time to bury this stillborn string of nothing. I'm sure that when you and the rest of the boys report it you will have your way and close yet another Israel thread that embarrasses you.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Aug 26, 2014 19:52:50 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time to bury this stillborn string of nothing. I'm sure that when you and the rest of the boys report it you will have your way and close yet another Israel thread that embarrasses you. Not us, but the OP who never actually wanted to debate the topic at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 19:56:04 GMT -5
Perhaps it's time to bury this stillborn string of nothing. Agreed. I regret posting to it because now it shows up in my 'participated' indicator. Let me help you. Go to: Recently Updated threads/select/mark as read/forever. Voilà. Somebody put Ranger John out of his misery and quote this, apparently I am on his ignore list.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 19:57:55 GMT -5
You have just pretty much described how beth din and sharia laws operate in the UK. I fail to see your argument. Redlegs position is plainly out and out ridiculous, your position seems to be all over the place. In the UK as in the US, Joe Soap is totally unaffected by Sharia or Beth din unless he chooses to accept a private court ruling. He cannot be stoned, whipped, beheaded, have hands chopped off or any other punishment imposed on him, neither can a Muslim or a Jewish if the proposed punishment is not one which a British court of law would impose. Basically Sharia and Beth din are just local community, religious, tribal courts to settle local community, religious, tribal squabbles. If a Jewish or a Muslim are caught doing 40 mph in a 30 mph zone, they will be dealt with in a British court of law. If anyone violently attack a Jew or a Muslim, the will not be tried in a sharia or beth din court, they will be subject to the full weight of the law of the land. And yet, Shari'a is used to decide heirs, ownership of property, and rights in marriage, among other things. That supplant's British law. Nope! Wrong again, sharia has not supplanted British law.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 20:08:19 GMT -5
I'm sure that when you and the rest of the boys report it you will have your way and close yet another Israel thread that embarrasses you. Not us, but the OP who never actually wanted to debate the topic at all. Yes you. You had no intention of discussing the the topic, you only wanted to demonize Hamas (who don't need your help, they do pretty well on their own) and 'big up' Israel while absolving Israel them of all blame in slaughtering 2200 Gazans, and totally destroying the infrastructure of the country. I know exactly what you are going to come back with.
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