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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 15, 2014 9:19:10 GMT -5
death valley would be a good place for ebola victims,illegals and prisons. keep it away from the general population You would still have to transport them. Think of the deterrent value of having the camp on the border with Mexico, and that all illegals get to spend 30 days there before being processed. I think it would stop the child migration pretty quick don't you? Especially if Ebola broke out in the camp at least once. The added benefit would be it would screen for Enterovirus 68, scabies, tuberculosis...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 15, 2014 9:30:51 GMT -5
death valley would be a good place for ebola victims,illegals and prisons. keep it away from the general population You would still have to transport them. Think of the deterrent value of having the camp on the border with Mexico, and that all illegals get to spend 30 days there before being processed. I think it would stop the child migration pretty quick don't you? Especially if Ebola broke out in the camp at least once. The added benefit would be it would screen for Enterovirus 68, scabies, tuberculosis... Well for the non-citizens, we should just transport them back to West Africa. We keep sending that isolation plane over there to bring US citizens home. The Liberians can ride the otherwise empty leg over. God... why did we send troops over?
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 15, 2014 9:57:44 GMT -5
You would still have to transport them. Think of the deterrent value of having the camp on the border with Mexico, and that all illegals get to spend 30 days there before being processed. I think it would stop the child migration pretty quick don't you? Especially if Ebola broke out in the camp at least once. The added benefit would be it would screen for Enterovirus 68, scabies, tuberculosis... Well for the non-citizens, we should just transport them back to West Africa. We keep sending that isolation plane over there to bring US citizens home. The Liberians can ride the otherwise empty leg over. God... why did we send troops over? It won't just be African Citizens who are exposed, what happens when a French guy gets it goes home, then comes here. That is why we need to either quarantine those without visa's, and require 30 days since exposure for those who do have visa's/Passports.
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Post by freddfish on Oct 15, 2014 10:14:38 GMT -5
death valley would be a good place for ebola victims,illegals and prisons. keep it away from the general population This is actually not as crazy as it sounds. A filvirus like Ebola thrives in a moist humid environment. Put it in a dry, arid one, and you reduce the odds of spread.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 15, 2014 10:14:46 GMT -5
Well for the non-citizens, we should just transport them back to West Africa. We keep sending that isolation plane over there to bring US citizens home. The Liberians can ride the otherwise empty leg over. God... why did we send troops over? It won't just be African Citizens who are exposed, what happens when a French guy gets it goes home, then comes here. That is why we need to either quarantine those without visa's, and require 30 days since exposure for those who do have visa's/Passports. I'm not so sure that will be a problem. I think the French have enough sense to put those controls in place. I sort of wish the French and British would tell our government that it will quarantine US citizens because we've got it here now. Maybe that would be enough to get Obama off his lazy, incompetent ass.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 15, 2014 10:15:50 GMT -5
death valley would be a good place for ebola victims,illegals and prisons. keep it away from the general population This is actually not as crazy as it sounds. A filvirus like Ebola thrives in a moist humid environment. Put it in a dry, arid one, and you reduce the odds of spread. Alaska would be better yet. Arid and bitter cold. And remote. I suspect Ebola wouldn't survive there at all.
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Post by freddfish on Oct 15, 2014 10:25:21 GMT -5
Another thing that is working in our favor is the extremely high mortality rate of Ebola. Some strains (like Ebola Zaire) have kill rates in the +/- 90% range. Not sure what strain we are dealing with (could be the Zaire, Mayinga, Reston, Sudan strains, all of which have different mortality rates).
Quite simply, the disease can be so aggressive that it kills the host before a lot of transmission can take place.
Ebola outbreaks are not a new phenomenom. Villages in Africa that have been decimated by an outbreak were isolated from others by fear of infection, and the disease ran it's course and died out. This could happen here, if it gets too bad, and folks begin to "shelter in place". With no host to spread to, it can burn out.
Granted, with our movements and associations through work and travel, the mortality rate could be huge before burn out took place....and the economy would probably tank, gov't breakdown, a bit of anarchy ensuing, etc.
Beats the hell out of being dead though.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 15, 2014 10:29:21 GMT -5
Granted, with our movements and associations through work and travel, the mortality rate could be huge before burn out took place....and the economy would probably tank, gov't breakdown, a bit of anarchy ensuing, etc. Beats the hell out of being dead though. Most of us - and I don't exempt myself - are soft, unused to privation. The living would come to envy the dead in your scenario. It's the second and third generations of those who lived who would build the new society. It will happen, eventually - some kind of event that will kill a lot of us and destroy existing polities. History shows us that. It could be that "eventually" is beginning. We'll see.
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Post by freddfish on Oct 15, 2014 10:34:24 GMT -5
This is actually not as crazy as it sounds. A filvirus like Ebola thrives in a moist humid environment. Put it in a dry, arid one, and you reduce the odds of spread. Alaska would be better yet. Arid and bitter cold. And remote. I suspect Ebola wouldn't survive there at all. You are quite correct. Problem would be getting them there though...without risking additional transmission. Logistically, the Southwest is easier. The cold sure would be a good friend though.
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Post by freddfish on Oct 15, 2014 10:37:44 GMT -5
Granted, with our movements and associations through work and travel, the mortality rate could be huge before burn out took place....and the economy would probably tank, gov't breakdown, a bit of anarchy ensuing, etc. Beats the hell out of being dead though. Most of us - and I don't exempt myself - are soft, unused to privation. The living would come to envy the dead in your scenario. It's the second and third generations of those who lived who would build the new society. It will happen, eventually - some kind of event that will kill a lot of us and destroy existing polities. History shows us that. It could be that "eventually" is beginning. We'll see. Starting to sound like all those preppers that AttackplanR on the old board (or whatever his name was) used to so agressively deride might have been onto something.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 15, 2014 10:43:02 GMT -5
Most of us - and I don't exempt myself - are soft, unused to privation. The living would come to envy the dead in your scenario. It's the second and third generations of those who lived who would build the new society. It will happen, eventually - some kind of event that will kill a lot of us and destroy existing polities. History shows us that. It could be that "eventually" is beginning. We'll see. Starting to sound like all those preppers that AttackplanR on the old board (or whatever his name was) used to so agressively deride might have been onto something. You are all welcome to come down to my place in the event of the apocalypse. Of course first you would have to find me.
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Post by breakingbad on Oct 15, 2014 20:11:46 GMT -5
Wow, this thing is worse than we thought. Obama cancelled a fundraiser.
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Post by redleg on Oct 15, 2014 20:20:46 GMT -5
Why Texas? Set it up in the basement of the Capitol, or the WH, and let them deal with it. Along with the illegals. Sure that sounds good, but it is cheaper to setup these camps near the border, and frankly away from all the liberals. No, force the Feds, and the Liberals in DC to deal with it. Lock down DC, and don't allow anyone out. I'll bet things would get fixed in a hurry.
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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 15, 2014 22:44:56 GMT -5
Wow, this thing is worse than we thought. Obama cancelled a fundraiser. Scarey Huh? It isn't Obama's fault, But, He hasn't been paying much attention either. Too many stupid mistakes have been made, and some butts should be kicked for that. Thank God this disease isn't spread thru the air easily or that nurse would have made that whole plane load sick. We would have been in a world of hurt by now.
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Post by cyclegeek on Oct 16, 2014 5:26:35 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3D0DxjgPB0It is unbelievable to me that some folks are using politics to place blame (wrongly I might ad) while people are dying horrible deaths from this disease. This is just one example. Some people really are low-life scum! And some wonder why I have no desire to even vote any longer.
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Post by com6063 on Oct 16, 2014 11:18:42 GMT -5
Ms. Pham is being moved to a hospital in Maryland. I pray she recovers.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 16, 2014 12:19:02 GMT -5
It seems that Duncan is responsible for these two infections because the latest I heard was that they were "probably" exposed BEFORE he was diagnosed with ebola. If he had stated that he had been exposed from the start then an earlier quarantine would "probably" have been instituted.
The second nurse had called the CDC and told them she had a 99.5 fever and they gave her the go ahead to get on the plane. Seems 101.4 was the limit, which is completely stupid when you are monitoring someone for exposure vs some random person walking into ER.
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Post by msdownunder on Oct 16, 2014 12:41:34 GMT -5
Ms. Pham is being moved to a hospital in Maryland. I pray she recovers. It's nice that they are flying these patients all around the country - what can possibly go wrong
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 16, 2014 12:43:52 GMT -5
exactly,just spread the thing from state to state. I have no confidence this thing can be contained.
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Post by breakingbad on Oct 16, 2014 13:09:51 GMT -5
can't wait for the "In hindsight, it would have been prudent to keep all the patients at one hospital" press conference.
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Post by com6063 on Oct 16, 2014 13:49:53 GMT -5
can't wait for the "In hindsight, it would have been prudent to keep all the patients at one hospital" press conference. With the series of errors at the hospital in Dallas, Ms. Pham will be better off in Maryland. But I see your point.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Oct 16, 2014 17:10:01 GMT -5
can't wait for the "In hindsight, it would have been prudent to keep all the patients at one hospital" press conference. That won't happen, because zombies do not hold press conferences!
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Post by alienrace on Oct 16, 2014 17:13:07 GMT -5
can't wait for the "In hindsight, it would have been prudent to keep all the patients at one hospital" press conference. That won't happen, because zombies do not hold press conferences! Good point!
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 16, 2014 18:22:31 GMT -5
can't wait for the "In hindsight, it would have been prudent to keep all the patients at one hospital" press conference. That won't happen, because zombies do not hold press conferences! Go take in a Nancy Pelosi press conference, then come back in here and see if you can still say that without laughing your ass off. Or, for that matter, try to remember this post next time you see Pelosi giving a press conference and see if you can get through it without laughing your ass off.
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Post by redleg on Oct 17, 2014 7:59:07 GMT -5
And now the Nebraska hospital is saying they may not have the staff to deal with an outbreak, because Puppettax has forced them to cut so much staff.
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