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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 9:10:18 GMT -5
Just because someone converts to Islam doesn't mean they are terrorists... Lew Alcindor converted to Islam, you know... Yeah... but if they shoot a bunch of people in broad daylight in and around the Canadian Parliament, that DOES make them a terrorist. Not necessarily... was the guy who shot up the Capitol Building and killed two Capitol police officers a few years ago a terrorist?... or did he just have a "strong distrust of the federal government?"... Could be somebody that's just pissed with the government... you know, one of those who claims to love their Country, but hate their government?... And unless I'm mistaken, this dude only shot one person... outside of Parliament Hill...
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 9:21:58 GMT -5
This is close to home, reports on morning news here say the danger is large for an attack on the USA now I think we need a policy that all terrorists caught have all their enablers arrested with them, whether it be family, friends, mosques, imams whatever, if they encouraged/supported your actions they should be tried for treason along with the terrorist. Terrorism under the direction of a foreign government (Islam is a political government) should be punished with a treason charge, and a quick execution carried out if convicted. (I know I sound like Redleg, but hey he is correct in this ). Would that also apply to all the so-called Christians who chanted "Run, Eric, run"... and helped hide the fugitive... after Eric Rudolph, a Christian Identist, bombed that clinic in Sandy Springs, GA?... The Otherside Lounge in Atlanta, GA?... and another clinic in Birmingham, AL?... killing a Birminghanm police officer (in uniform) ... and severely injuring a nurse?...
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 9:31:04 GMT -5
Looks like the guy might have just been a common criminal... looking for a "religious" outtie...
"Canadian police confirmed Thursday that only one gunman was involved in the shootings in and around Parliament building in Ottawa that left one soldier dead.
The gunman, who was fatally shot during the rampage, has been identified as Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian born in 1982. He was described by officials as a recent convert to Islam.
It said Zehaf-Bibeau had a criminal record for drug possession, credit-card forgery and robbery."
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 23, 2014 10:13:56 GMT -5
Yeah... but if they shoot a bunch of people in broad daylight in and around the Canadian Parliament, that DOES make them a terrorist. Not necessarily... was the guy who shot up the Capitol Building and killed two Capitol police officers a few years ago a terrorist?... or did he just have a "strong distrust of the federal government?"... Could be somebody that's just pissed with the government... you know, one of those who claims to love their Country, but hate their government?... And unless I'm mistaken, this dude only shot one person... outside of Parliament Hill... The reports indicate that somewhere between 10 and 30 shots were fired inside the Canadian Parliament complex. And that three additional people were treated for injuries. I suppose we don't know yet whether or not those additional 3 were shot, or injured themselves trying to get away. The 1998 shooting at the US Capitol was carried out by a paranoid schitzophrenic, not a terrorist.
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Post by freddfish on Oct 23, 2014 10:18:30 GMT -5
Even the Canadians are smarter than our regime, since they are calling them terrorist attacks, and have increased their security levels. The criminals we have "in charge" won't do that until an RPG hits the WH. Or one of their donors is attacked. Then you'll hear screaming from the rooftops about "right wing terrorism". This sounds like one hell of a good argument for everyone packing heat.... The only good one is a dead one. Think of it as "crowd sourcing"
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 10:40:12 GMT -5
Not necessarily... was the guy who shot up the Capitol Building and killed two Capitol police officers a few years ago a terrorist?... or did he just have a "strong distrust of the federal government?"... Could be somebody that's just pissed with the government... you know, one of those who claims to love their Country, but hate their government?... And unless I'm mistaken, this dude only shot one person... outside of Parliament Hill... The reports indicate that somewhere between 10 and 30 shots were fired inside the Canadian Parliament complex. And that three additional people were treated for injuries. I suppose we don't know yet whether or not those additional 3 were shot, or injured themselves trying to get away. The 1998 shooting at the US Capitol was carried out by a paranoid schitzophrenic, not a terrorist. Weston was a man known to strongly distrust the government... is that kinda not the definition of a "terrorist" these days?...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 23, 2014 10:47:06 GMT -5
The reports indicate that somewhere between 10 and 30 shots were fired inside the Canadian Parliament complex. And that three additional people were treated for injuries. I suppose we don't know yet whether or not those additional 3 were shot, or injured themselves trying to get away. The 1998 shooting at the US Capitol was carried out by a paranoid schitzophrenic, not a terrorist. Wesson was a man known to strongly distrust the government... is that kinda not the definition of a "terrorist" these days?... I don't think that's ever been the definition of a terrorist, unless you're a liberal Democrat who lives in perpetual fear of the Tea Party and the Koch brothers. Wesson was a paranoid schizophrenic who was off his meds.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 10:50:51 GMT -5
ter·ror·ist ˈterərəst/ noun a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.
What the Canadians seem to be wanting to call it is "radicalization"... that seems to be a good fit and would characterize more individuals than just those who recently converted to some religion and kills somebody... we've had some of those radicals here...
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Post by middleoftheroad on Oct 23, 2014 11:44:42 GMT -5
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Oct 23, 2014 11:47:58 GMT -5
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 23, 2014 12:11:44 GMT -5
More details on the gunman: Yahoo! NewsIt looks like he's been on a watch list for a while, and has been trying to travel to the ME.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 12:24:05 GMT -5
This seems to line up with what I said earlier... "Looks like the guy might have just been a common criminal... looking for a "religious" outtie"... and somebody was there just waiting to "radicalize" him... His "conversion" is said tho have taken place about 10 years ago... doesn't seem real "recent" to me... and coincided with our invasion into Iraq...
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Post by vosa on Oct 23, 2014 13:52:26 GMT -5
As a practical matter a "terrorist" is one who terrifies.
Anybody that starts shooting at me is a terrorist in my book.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 14:11:22 GMT -5
As a practical matter a "terrorist" is one who terrifies. Anybody that starts shooting at me is a terrorist in my book. I agree... a lot of little "terrorists" are gonna be out about this time next weekend... and a few big ones too...
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Post by rocketwolf on Oct 23, 2014 14:23:17 GMT -5
A Muslim commits a terrorist act and soon after the words "recently converted" pop up in his bio.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 14:36:31 GMT -5
A Muslim commits a terrorist act and soon after the words "recently converted" pop up in his bio. Seems that way... and this one recently converted around 2003...
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Post by middleoftheroad on Oct 23, 2014 15:27:23 GMT -5
This seems to line up with what I said earlier... "Looks like the guy might have just been a common criminal... looking for a "religious" outtie"... and somebody was there just waiting to "radicalize" him... His "conversion" is said tho have taken place about 10 years ago... doesn't seem real "recent" to me... and coincided with our invasion into Iraq... Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw?
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 23, 2014 18:57:33 GMT -5
This seems to line up with what I said earlier... "Looks like the guy might have just been a common criminal... looking for a "religious" outtie"... and somebody was there just waiting to "radicalize" him... His "conversion" is said tho have taken place about 10 years ago... doesn't seem real "recent" to me... and coincided with our invasion into Iraq... Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw? Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... And I'm saying that "recent" may not be as "recent" as some folks might think it is... I'm not the one who said he "converted" about 10 years ago... his friend did... which just happens to be about the time we went into Iraq... which may have inspired him...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 23, 2014 20:01:23 GMT -5
Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw? Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... And I'm saying that "recent" may not be as "recent" as some folks might think it is... I'm not the one who said he "converted" about 10 years ago... his friend did... which just happens to be about the time we went into Iraq... which may have inspired him... No, It's Mohammed's fault. Jihad, and converting the infidels by force is still a large part of his faith to a lot of people.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Oct 23, 2014 20:05:34 GMT -5
Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw? Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... And I'm saying that "recent" may not be as "recent" as some folks might think it is... I'm not the one who said he "converted" about 10 years ago... his friend did... which just happens to be about the time we went into Iraq... which may have inspired him... I question your knowledge of history if you really believe this started with Reagan.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 23, 2014 20:12:19 GMT -5
Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... And I'm saying that "recent" may not be as "recent" as some folks might think it is... I'm not the one who said he "converted" about 10 years ago... his friend did... which just happens to be about the time we went into Iraq... which may have inspired him... I question your knowledge of history if you really believe this started with Reagan. I'm not sure "question" is the right term. Perhaps "laugh at" suits better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:13:51 GMT -5
How about blaming those who commit the crimes?
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Post by Ravenchamp on Oct 23, 2014 21:38:37 GMT -5
Exactly, and the organization behind them as well
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 24, 2014 6:45:55 GMT -5
Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... And I'm saying that "recent" may not be as "recent" as some folks might think it is... I'm not the one who said he "converted" about 10 years ago... his friend did... which just happens to be about the time we went into Iraq... which may have inspired him... No, It's Mohammed's fault. Jihad, and converting the infidels by force is still a large part of his faith to a lot of people. I agree to an extent... but most of that occurred in the East, not the West... (been doing it for hundreds of years)... until Reagan provoked them and gave them cause to do it here... just a generation ago...
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 24, 2014 6:48:14 GMT -5
Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... And I'm saying that "recent" may not be as "recent" as some folks might think it is... I'm not the one who said he "converted" about 10 years ago... his friend did... which just happens to be about the time we went into Iraq... which may have inspired him... I question your knowledge of history if you really believe this started with Reagan. You can question whatever you want... but I have been very (politically) active since the middle 70's and didn't just read about it... I watched it happen every day... And I didn't say Reagan started the hate in the East... but he certainly gave them cause to take aim on the West...
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