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Post by middleoftheroad on Oct 27, 2014 10:07:54 GMT -5
Vosa and Ranger John didn't help... Those two with their childish I'm Rubber, you're glue games, and MOTR himself, with his dual standards of who can and who can't disregard maritime laws, of course had absolutely nothing to do with derailing the thread. BE, I know it may be hard for you to understand, but the dual standard you mentioned is the cold hard reality of life whether you agree or not. Further, I would point out that my answers where in response to your questions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 10:53:03 GMT -5
Those two with their childish I'm Rubber, you're glue games, and MOTR himself, with his dual standards of who can and who can't disregard maritime laws, of course had absolutely nothing to do with derailing the thread. BE, I know it may be hard for you to understand, but the dual standard you mentioned is the cold hard reality of life whether you agree or not. Further, I would point out that my answers where in response to your questions. I realize that you struggle with difficult questions when they expose your bias, it's something that you'll have to learn to deal with, whether you like it or not. Further, I would point out my question was a very fair and valid one in response to your statement about Libya's territorial waters claim, so if you consider that derailing the thread, it was you that did the derailing. Again, are your buddies vosa and Ranger John completely free of the charge of thread derailment?
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Post by vosa on Oct 27, 2014 12:32:31 GMT -5
BE, I know it may be hard for you to understand, but the dual standard you mentioned is the cold hard reality of life whether you agree or not. Further, I would point out that my answers where in response to your questions. I realize that you struggle with difficult questions when they expose your bias, it's something that you'll have to learn to deal with, whether you like it or not. Further, I would point out my question was a very fair and valid one in response to your statement about Libya's territorial waters claim, so if you consider that derailing the thread, it was you that did the derailing. Again, are your buddies vosa and Ranger John completely free of the charge of thread derailment? Why don't you make a statement about Gaza's "territorial waters"? Remember the old saying, "No guts, no glory."
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 27, 2014 16:20:11 GMT -5
Honestly, the thread has meandered a bit, but if you want to point to where we got started talking about Libya, and then Gaza, it's roots are in aboutwell's 'This is all Reagan's fault, because of the Gulf of Sidra thing' nonsense.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 27, 2014 16:31:18 GMT -5
Honestly, the thread has meandered a bit, but if you want to point to where we got started talking about Libya, and then Gaza, it's roots are in aboutwell's 'This is all Reagan's fault, because of the Gulf of Sidra thing' nonsense. Actually, it wasn't... that comment was an answer to another posters question... Question Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw?
Answer Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... So I guess you'd have to blame Middleoftheroad for asking me that question... actually, I don't think it was either of us... it was you "snipers"... You really left the road with this foolish comment" "No, It's Mohammed's fault."Mohammed is dead...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 27, 2014 16:58:30 GMT -5
Honestly, the thread has meandered a bit, but if you want to point to where we got started talking about Libya, and then Gaza, it's roots are in aboutwell's 'This is all Reagan's fault, because of the Gulf of Sidra thing' nonsense. Actually, it wasn't... that comment was an answer to another posters question... Question Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw?
Answer Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... So I guess you'd have to blame Middleoftheroad for asking me that question... actually, I don't think it was either of us... it was you "snipers"... You really left the road with this foolish comment" "No, It's Mohammed's fault."Mohammed is dead... Yeah. That'll teach middleoftheroad to ask you a perfectly reasonable question. Mohammed's teachings are the root cause of all jihadist activity.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 27, 2014 18:07:10 GMT -5
Actually, it wasn't... that comment was an answer to another posters question... Question Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw?
Answer Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... So I guess you'd have to blame Middleoftheroad for asking me that question... actually, I don't think it was either of us... it was you "snipers"... You really left the road with this foolish comment" "No, It's Mohammed's fault."Mohammed is dead... Yeah. That'll teach middleoftheroad to ask you a perfectly reasonable question. Mohammed's teachings are the root cause of all jihadist activity. And me for giving him a perfectly reasonable answer... And we're not talking about "root" causes here... if we were we'd be blaming Adam and Eve... or those who preceded them...
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 27, 2014 20:39:54 GMT -5
Yeah. That'll teach middleoftheroad to ask you a perfectly reasonable question. Mohammed's teachings are the root cause of all jihadist activity. And me for giving him a perfectly reasonable answer... It's hilarious that you think that. In who's holy book did Adam and Eve teach jihad? Or teaching people to go murder people who aren't Muslim?
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 27, 2014 20:47:32 GMT -5
You aren't worth it...
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Post by vosa on Oct 28, 2014 11:36:21 GMT -5
Honestly, the thread has meandered a bit, but if you want to point to where we got started talking about Libya, and then Gaza, it's roots are in aboutwell's 'This is all Reagan's fault, because of the Gulf of Sidra thing' nonsense. Actually, it wasn't... that comment was an answer to another posters question... Question Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw?
Answer Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... So I guess you'd have to blame Middleoftheroad for asking me that question... actually, I don't think it was either of us... it was you "snipers"... You really left the road with this foolish comment" "No, It's Mohammed's fault."Mohammed is dead... Do you actually believe that a person's influence dies when they do? Let me call the play for you - mumbo-jumbo on 3.
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Post by aboutwell on Oct 28, 2014 14:34:45 GMT -5
Actually, it wasn't... that comment was an answer to another posters question... Question Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw?
Answer Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... So I guess you'd have to blame Middleoftheroad for asking me that question... actually, I don't think it was either of us... it was you "snipers"... You really left the road with this foolish comment" "No, It's Mohammed's fault."Mohammed is dead... Do you actually believe that a person's influence dies when they do? Let me call the play for you - mumbo-jumbo on 3. No... nor did I say or imply that it does... Reagan is a good example... he's dead... but people quote him almost every day... [Sorry, RJ... I had not read your comment when I first made this comment...]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 19:24:48 GMT -5
Actually, it wasn't... that comment was an answer to another posters question... Question Are you really bringing out the "It's Bush's fault" card, aw?
Answer Absolutely not... Reagan started all this, not "W"... So I guess you'd have to blame Middleoftheroad for asking me that question... actually, I don't think it was either of us... it was you "snipers"... You really left the road with this foolish comment" "No, It's Mohammed's fault."Mohammed is dead... Yeah. That'll teach middleoftheroad to ask you a perfectly reasonable question. Mohammed's teachings are the root cause of all jihadist activity. Indeed they are. Mohammed's teachings include the requirement that all "infidels" be either converted or killed, that women are to be subjugated, that martyrdom in holy war, in the name of "ALLAH is the way to heaven.
There ARE some Quran passages that allow for mercy for defeated foes, for women who have "sinned," however it is a warlike religion with very little room for mercy.
Given that, think about how many passages in the Bible demand that the faithful "smite" the unfaithful, that "the sword" shall be used to convince the "unbelievers," hell, this could go on for days.
Here's a thought. Islam, Christianity and Judaism developed from the same general area.
Centuries later most of us in the world have learned to live with one another (except on message boards ) however folks in the Middle East have been fighting for 5,000 plus years.
Now the jihadists, ISIS, Taliban, whatever you want to call them are merely striving to revive a 5th century BC religion back to life.
That's my take on it, 'nuff said.
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Post by Ranger John on Oct 28, 2014 19:41:10 GMT -5
Yeah. That'll teach middleoftheroad to ask you a perfectly reasonable question. Mohammed's teachings are the root cause of all jihadist activity. Indeed they are. Mohammed's teachings include the requirement that all "infidels" be either converted or killed, that women are to be subjugated, that martyrdom in holy war, in the name of "ALLAH is the way to heaven.
There ARE some Quran passages that allow for mercy for defeated foes, for women who have "sinned," however it is a warlike religion with very little room for mercy.
Given that, think about how many passages in the Bible demand that the faithful "smite" the unfaithful, that "the sword" shall be used to convince the "unbelievers," hell, this could go on for days.
Here's a thought. Islam, Christianity and Judaism developed from the same general area.
Centuries later most of us in the world have learned to live with one another (except on message boards ) however folks in the Middle East have been fighting for 5,000 plus years.
Now the jihadists, ISIS, Taliban, whatever you want to call them are merely striving to revive a 5th century BC religion back to life.
That's my take on it, 'nuff said.
We can see this in hard examples around the world today. It's not that Islam doesn't tolerate the US, or 'the west' - it literally doesn't tolerate anything that isn't Islam. We see this with the Uighurs in China. The conflict between Pakistan and the Hindus in Kashmir. The animists and Boko Haram in places like Sudan. The Jews, of course. The Russians and Chechens. The US isn't a special case because we've been mean to Muslims. Or because of the Gulf of Sidra. We are NOT the problem, the Jews aren't the problem, the Hindus aren't the problem, the Animists aren't the problem, the Chi-Coms aren't the problem, the Russians are not the problem. The common denominator is Islam. It astonishes me when I see people running around claiming that these attacks are 'not Islamic' when Islamic scholars around the world insist they are. And every time one of these attacks takes place, and idiot leftists come out of the woodwork screaming about "TOLERANCE!" all I can think about is some waste of a human being on a school yard playground shouting "Thank you sir! May I have another?!" every time a bully punches them in the gut.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2014 20:00:24 GMT -5
Indeed they are. Mohammed's teachings include the requirement that all "infidels" be either converted or killed, that women are to be subjugated, that martyrdom in holy war, in the name of "ALLAH is the way to heaven.
There ARE some Quran passages that allow for mercy for defeated foes, for women who have "sinned," however it is a warlike religion with very little room for mercy.
Given that, think about how many passages in the Bible demand that the faithful "smite" the unfaithful, that "the sword" shall be used to convince the "unbelievers," hell, this could go on for days.
Here's a thought. Islam, Christianity and Judaism developed from the same general area.
Centuries later most of us in the world have learned to live with one another (except on message boards ) however folks in the Middle East have been fighting for 5,000 plus years.
Now the jihadists, ISIS, Taliban, whatever you want to call them are merely striving to revive a 5th century BC religion back to life.
That's my take on it, 'nuff said.
We can see this in hard examples around the world today. It's not that Islam doesn't tolerate the US, or 'the west' - it literally doesn't tolerate anything that isn't Islam. We see this with the Uighurs in China. The conflict between Pakistan and the Hindus in Kashmir. The animists and Boko Haram in places like Sudan. The Jews, of course. The Russians and Chechens. The US isn't a special case because we've been mean to Muslims. Or because of the Gulf of Sidra. We are NOT the problem, the Jews aren't the problem, the Hindus aren't the problem, the Animists aren't the problem, the Chi-Coms aren't the problem, the Russians are not the problem. The common denominator is Islam. It astonishes me when I see people running around claiming that these attacks are 'not Islamic' when Islamic scholars around the world insist they are. And every time one of these attacks takes place, and idiot leftists come out of the woodwork screaming about "TOLERANCE!" all I can think about is some waste of a human being on a school yard playground shouting "Thank you sir! May I have another?!" every time a bully punches them in the gut. Damn good post. However we both forgot the Buddhists, who were persecuted in South Vietnam and elsewhere. I remember a little phrase about the President of South Vietnam back then: "Nuygen is No Diem good...
But I digress.
Well, at least the last of the Marines left Afghanistan today.
Let's all hope we can settle down and not send young American men to fight in places where they weren't wanted in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 10:40:29 GMT -5
Nanasty rap from visa? Perhaps you should switch to Mastercard. And you have to endure those so-called insults and character assassinations or you'll lose your self-styled martyr status. 10/27 - I notice you changed "nanasty rap from visa" to "nasty crap from vosa".
Could it be you corrected a mistake? Nah, you never make mistakes, do you?Yeah, I often make them. If you had checked the reason for edit, you have seen why that one was made.
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Post by vosa on Nov 3, 2014 14:36:24 GMT -5
The rest of your post is devalued by the above simple give away opening sentence. No, you just dodged it. But reading between the lines, you are of the opininion that maritime laws only apply to the US, it's buddies and those others big enough to stand up to them. I'm glad to see your consistent, BE; still too unsure of your position to engage in a real conversation. And by the way, I answered your question. You ask about Gaza’s right to her territorial waters. In order to avoid getting sidetracked, I will, for this thread, concede to your view that Gaza is a state. Territorial waters legally extend out 12 miles. Israel does not enforce her blockade within the territorial waters of the Gaza Strip. Indeed, when Israel got into it with the Turkish ship several years ago, part of the debate centered on the location of the boarding – some 40 miles outside of Gazan territorial waters. There is a fine line between an act in international waters and an act of blockade. This one may well have crossed the line. To avoid getting sidetracked why don't you also concede that the powers that be in Gaza are peace loving folks who have never launched any rockets into Israel from Gaza. Fact is the State of Palestine, of which Gaza is a part, is only a UN observer state and is only a member of one UN specialized agency and the Gazans have done damned little to earn even that slight recognition.
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Post by middleoftheroad on Nov 4, 2014 7:28:45 GMT -5
I'm glad to see your consistent, BE; still too unsure of your position to engage in a real conversation. And by the way, I answered your question. You ask about Gaza’s right to her territorial waters. In order to avoid getting sidetracked, I will, for this thread, concede to your view that Gaza is a state. Territorial waters legally extend out 12 miles. Israel does not enforce her blockade within the territorial waters of the Gaza Strip. Indeed, when Israel got into it with the Turkish ship several years ago, part of the debate centered on the location of the boarding – some 40 miles outside of Gazan territorial waters. There is a fine line between an act in international waters and an act of blockade. This one may well have crossed the line. To avoid getting sidetracked why don't you also concede that the powers that be in Gaza are peace loving folks who have never launched any rockets into Israel from Gaza. Fact is the State of Palestine, of which Gaza is a part, is only a UN observer state and is only a member of one UN specialized agency and the Gazans have done damned little to earn even that slight recognition. Vosa, I agree with your position. I was simply trying to get another poster to engage, rather than running away or obfuscating, as is his normal response.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 4, 2014 8:04:07 GMT -5
To avoid getting sidetracked why don't you also concede that the powers that be in Gaza are peace loving folks who have never launched any rockets into Israel from Gaza. Fact is the State of Palestine, of which Gaza is a part, is only a UN observer state and is only a member of one UN specialized agency and the Gazans have done damned little to earn even that slight recognition. Vosa, I agree with your position. I was simply trying to get another poster to engage, rather than running away or obfuscating, as is his normal response. Good luck with that. You are our middle of the road guy, hope you don't get run over.
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Post by vosa on Nov 4, 2014 12:54:04 GMT -5
To avoid getting sidetracked why don't you also concede that the powers that be in Gaza are peace loving folks who have never launched any rockets into Israel from Gaza. Fact is the State of Palestine, of which Gaza is a part, is only a UN observer state and is only a member of one UN specialized agency and the Gazans have done damned little to earn even that slight recognition. Vosa, I agree with your position. I was simply trying to get another poster to engage, rather than running away or obfuscating, as is his normal response.I direct your attention to HAWGTP's avatar.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 4, 2014 14:23:40 GMT -5
People are free to respond, or not respond, to posts as they see fit. Do not make this forum a criticism of people's choices in that regard. That means no more posts like the several just ahead of this warning. Thanks.
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