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Post by Ranger John on Nov 1, 2014 11:03:42 GMT -5
People who are right don't always win the hearts (or votes) of the people... I appreciate her having the balls to tell the truth... win or lose... Of course you do. She's a Democrat. Just think about how she worded her statement. It's true that the south "hasn't always been" the friendliest of places for blacks. A couple of generations ago, people of aboutwell's age, especially Democrats, were very hard on blacks. Fortunately, those people are a small and shrinking minority. But, as with all the Democrats, Landreau is stuck in the past. Which is why the have to keep referencing it. Barack Obama is considered a failure STRICTLY on the merits it has nothing to do with his race. And here's Landreau subtly hinting her constituents are racists.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 1, 2014 11:07:53 GMT -5
I think it's a losing strategy to put one's constituents down like that. Especially when it's just not true anymore. The south HAS changed a lot in the last 70 years... Even in the last 40 years. Blacks and women thrive there now, In part, BECAUSE of Republican and conservative politics. But it is true... the South has changed much over the last many years... but it's not changed enough... and if you don't think the things Landrieu cites about the South, you are very much uninformed... and need to just go back and stick your head in the sand again... And BTW... most Republicans I know had rather it be like it was 50 years ago... Democrats seem to want to go too far in the other direction... I find myself somewhere in between...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 1, 2014 11:09:22 GMT -5
If you choose to vote for someone who is bluntly honest with you... like Landrieu was... go for it... you will be the loser... that's part of the problem now... Is she being honest or disingenuous? Does she know that the Party of Andrew Jackson 'ruled' the South for well over a century? It was the, now, denigrated folk of places such as Wisconsin and Maine (Republicans) who put an end to the antebellum south and marginalized the physiocrat economic philosophy and feudal relationships nurtured and protected by the Dominant party of the south. I lived briefly in New Orleans in the mid sixties and I can't recall any Democrat Negros. Were she from Arkansas would she try to celebrate Orval Faubas? Or if from another neighboring state, George Wallace? She's being honest...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 1, 2014 11:11:00 GMT -5
People who are right don't always win the hearts (or votes) of the people... I appreciate her having the balls to tell the truth... win or lose... Of course you do. She's a Democrat. You know... I honestly had to look to be sure she was... I really wasn't sure... I don't know her that well...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 1, 2014 11:21:07 GMT -5
Of course you do. She's a Democrat. Just think about how she worded her statement. It's true that the south "hasn't always been" the friendliest of places for blacks. A couple of generations ago, people of aboutwell's age, especially Democrats, were very hard on blacks. Fortunately, those people are a small and shrinking minority. But, as with all the Democrats, Landreau is stuck in the past. Which is why the have to keep referencing it. Barack Obama is considered a failure STRICTLY on the merits it has nothing to do with his race. And here's Landreau subtly hinting her constituents are racists. You are right about at least one thing... but rest assured... I have changed much more than my Republican counterparts... I was reared in a racial atmosphere... separate everything... and I agreed with it at the time... I remember Ross Barnett and George Wallace very well... and James Meredith... John Lewis... and others... first Black I ever attended school with was in college... and even today, far too many Academies and/or Christian schools in Mississippi... (noticed that a few minutes ago while looking at high school football scores... www.maxpreps.com/list/schedules_scores.aspx?state=MS&gendersport=boys,football&page=14 I just skip over those schools... I don't care for them)... born out of racism and segregation... I remember it well... I attended the very first Christian Academy meeting that was held in my county...
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Post by redleg on Nov 1, 2014 12:10:50 GMT -5
Is she being honest or disingenuous? Does she know that the Party of Andrew Jackson 'ruled' the South for well over a century? It was the, now, denigrated folk of places such as Wisconsin and Maine (Republicans) who put an end to the antebellum south and marginalized the physiocrat economic philosophy and feudal relationships nurtured and protected by the Dominant party of the south. I lived briefly in New Orleans in the mid sixties and I can't recall any Democrat Negros. Were she from Arkansas would she try to celebrate Orval Faubas? Or if from another neighboring state, George Wallace? She's being honest... No, if she were being honest, she would have said "Democrats" rather than "the South". What she's doing is projecting Democrat policies and racism on to Republicans, just so she can get reelected and continue to impose the Dems' racist policies on blacks.
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Post by redleg on Nov 1, 2014 12:12:16 GMT -5
Especially when it's just not true anymore. The south HAS changed a lot in the last 70 years... Even in the last 40 years. Blacks and women thrive there now, In part, BECAUSE of Republican and conservative politics. But it is true... the South has changed much over the last many years... but it's not changed enough... and if you don't think the things Landrieu cites about the South, you are very much uninformed... and need to just go back and stick your head in the sand again... And BTW... most Republicans I know had rather it belike it was 50 years ago... Democrats seem to want to go too far in the other direction... I find myself somewhere in between... You mean it still hasn't thrown off the Democrat racism, and continues to elect the racists instead of Republicans?
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 1, 2014 12:27:41 GMT -5
Especially when it's just not true anymore. The south HAS changed a lot in the last 70 years... Even in the last 40 years. Blacks and women thrive there now, In part, BECAUSE of Republican and conservative politics. But it is true... the South has changed much over the last many years... but it's not changed enough... and if you don't think the things Landrieu cites about the South, you are very much uninformed... and need to just go back and stick your head in the sand again... And BTW... most Republicans I know had rather it belike it was 50 years ago... Democrats seem to want to go too far in the other direction... I find myself somewhere in between... I see you're speaking for yourself. I have spent quite a bit of time in the south. Relations between the sexes and races are no worse there than anywhere else in the country. Perhaps the problem is you need to spend some time up north for some comparison.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 1, 2014 12:49:35 GMT -5
But it is true... the South has changed much over the last many years... but it's not changed enough... and if you don't think the things Landrieu cites about the South are true, you are very much uninformed... and need to just go back and stick your head in the sand again... And BTW... most Republicans I know had rather it belike it was 50 years ago... Democrats seem to want to go too far in the other direction... I find myself somewhere in between... I see you're speaking for yourself. I have spent quite a bit of time in the South. Relations between the sexes and races are no worse there than anywhere else in the country. Perhaps the problem is you need to spend some time up North for some comparison. Actually, I think it's worse "up North"... (the racial talk on the radio is much worse there)... Washington/Baltimore are a couple of good examples... and I have spent a lot of time up North... and South... and East ... and West... likely much more than you... And I did say I was speaking for myself...
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Post by aponderer on Nov 3, 2014 2:00:42 GMT -5
She's not the only Democrat woman with balls... [say... whatever happened to Janet Reno?]
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Post by rentedmule on Nov 3, 2014 5:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 3, 2014 8:21:44 GMT -5
Personally I wish that districts were made up of like minded individuals who got to pick the candidate who most supported their views, parties should not be redistricting just to disenfranchise the most from the other party. I would support virtual districts that would allow this to occur for the majority of the people.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 3, 2014 8:23:09 GMT -5
Especially when it's just not true anymore. The south HAS changed a lot in the last 70 years... Even in the last 40 years. Blacks and women thrive there now, In part, BECAUSE of Republican and conservative politics. But it is true... the South has changed much over the last many years... but it's not changed enough... and if you don't think the things Landrieu cites about the South, you are very much uninformed... and need to just go back and stick your head in the sand again... And BTW... most Republicans I know had rather it be like it was 50 years ago... Democrats seem to want to go too far in the other direction... I find myself somewhere in between... For those of you who think race isn't a factor: "Jindal's comments aside, Obama's approval rating in the state is starkly divided by race. Seventeen percent of Louisiana whites approve of the job he is doing, compared to 76 percent of non-whites."
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 3, 2014 8:26:09 GMT -5
Personally I wish that districts were made up of like minded individuals who got to pick the candidate who most supported their views, parties should not be redistricting just to disenfranchise the most from the other party. I would support virtual districts that would allow this to occur for the majority of the people. Do you have an example of such a district?... Are you a TEA partier?... your phrase, "like minded individuals," in one of their most used phrases...
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Post by redleg on Nov 3, 2014 8:52:46 GMT -5
But it is true... the South has changed much over the last many years... but it's not changed enough... and if you don't think the things Landrieu cites about the South, you are very much uninformed... and need to just go back and stick your head in the sand again... And BTW... most Republicans I know had rather it be like it was 50 years ago... Democrats seem to want to go too far in the other direction... I find myself somewhere in between... For those of you who think race isn't a factor: "Jindal's comments aside, Obama's approval rating in the state is starkly divided by race. Seventeen percent of Louisiana whites approve of the job he is doing, compared to 76 percent of non-whites."Of course. The Dems have spent generations making sure that blacks stay in failed, crime ridden schools, are supported by government handouts, and protected from ever having to face the consequences of their own decisions. IOW, they are the epitome of the LIV, just what the Dems want for everyone. And, since as you point out ad nauseum, The Puppet IS black, and therefore the recipient of race identity among blacks.
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Post by rentedmule on Nov 3, 2014 9:10:34 GMT -5
Frankly, what is the point of the charade if political motivation and the available technological kit allows those in power to arrange for outcomes they desire? I don't give a hoot if groups of people share common aspirations, in fact, I expect it and think it has value. I don't expect Jews and Koreans to vote the same way I do. Or expect government employees or unionists or immigrants to share my world view. If everyone shared the same values we would be in great disarray as a society. Or we would know for sure that the vote truly was rigged!
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 3, 2014 10:02:09 GMT -5
Frankly, what is the point of the charade if political motivation and the available technological kit allows those in power to arrange for outcomes they desire? I don't give a hoot if groups of people share common aspirations, in fact, I expect it and think it has value. I don't expect Jews and Koreans to vote the same way I do. Or expect government employees or unionists or immigrants to share my world view. If everyone shared the same values we would be in great disarray as a society. Or we would know for sure that the vote truly was rigged! I think we agree, my point was that I wanted to be represented by someone who reflected my views, I am sure that Jews and Koreans would like to be represented by someone who reflects their views, so I do give a hoot if people share common aspirations, they should get representation for those values. I don't think everyone should be in lock step, that is what appears wrong with the courts nowadays, party politics over all in all things. That has to stop if we are ever to recover our founding principals.
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Post by freddfish on Nov 3, 2014 12:54:09 GMT -5
This is how you play the race card when you don't even have the guts to play the race card straight-up. You have to use weasel words and vague generalities to perform an act that is basically cowardice anyway. (i.e.-trying to shut down any debate or discussion) Pretty lame, and kinda funny in a slipping-on-a-banana-peel kinda way....
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 3, 2014 13:40:17 GMT -5
For those of you who think race isn't a factor: "Jindal's comments aside, Obama's approval rating in the state is starkly divided by race. Seventeen percent of Louisiana whites approve of the job he is doing, compared to 76 percent of non-whites."Of course. The Dems have spent generations making sure that blacks stay in failed, crime ridden schools, are supported by government handouts, and protected from ever having to face the consequences of their own decisions. IOW, they are the epitome of the LIV, just what the Dems want for everyone. And, since as you point out ad nauseum, The Puppet IS black, and therefore the recipient of race identity among blacks. The post to which you responded didn't mention a political Party... (nor will this one)... and while I understand what you are saying about the Blacks... you must also apply the same logic to the Whiles... right?... I mean, is 83% anti-Obama among Whites any worse than 76% pro-Obama among Blacks?... looks like it's kinda working both ways...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 3, 2014 13:42:56 GMT -5
This is how you play the race card when you don't even have the guts to play the race card straight-up. You have to use weasel words and vague generalities to perform an act that is basically cowardice anyway. (i.e.-trying to shut down any debate or discussion) Pretty lame, and kinda funny in a slipping-on-a-banana-peel kinda way.... There's nothing "weasel" or "vague" about this: "Jindal's comments aside, Obama's approval rating in the state is starkly divided by race. Seventeen percent of Louisiana whites approve of the job he is doing, compared to 76 percent of non-whites."It's a fact...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 3, 2014 13:45:15 GMT -5
Personally I wish that districts were made up of like minded individuals who got to pick the candidate who most supported their views, parties should not be redistricting just to disenfranchise the most from the other party. I would support virtual districts that would allow this to occur for the majority of the people. Do you have an example of such a district?... Are you a TEA partier?... your phrase, "like minded individuals," in one of their most used phrases... Do you have that example, Hawgtp?...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 13:48:41 GMT -5
This is how you play the race card when you don't even have the guts to play the race card straight-up. You have to use weasel words and vague generalities to perform an act that is basically cowardice anyway. (i.e.-trying to shut down any debate or discussion) Pretty lame, and kinda funny in a slipping-on-a-banana-peel kinda way.... There's nothing "weasel" or "vague" about this: "Jindal's comments aside, Obama's approval rating in the state is starkly divided by race. Seventeen percent of Louisiana whites approve of the job he is doing, compared to 76 percent of non-whites."It's a fact... If that data can be reliably confirmed then it it certainly most condemning.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 3, 2014 14:24:54 GMT -5
There's nothing "weasel" or "vague" about this: "Jindal's comments aside, Obama's approval rating in the state is starkly divided by race. Seventeen percent of Louisiana whites approve of the job he is doing, compared to 76 percent of non-whites."It's a fact... If that data can be reliably confirmed then it it certainly most condemning. Yes it is, but not in the way you would like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 14:34:52 GMT -5
If that data can be reliably confirmed then it it certainly most condemning. Yes it is, but not in the way you would like. Please don't presume to think that you know what I would like, as in this case you will be wrong far more often than you are right.
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Post by howarewegoingtopay on Nov 3, 2014 15:08:55 GMT -5
Yes it is, but not in the way you would like. Please don't presume to think that you know what I would like, as in this case you will be wrong far more often than you are right. That is what you think, I think you are wrong.
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