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Post by rocketwolf on Nov 24, 2014 20:51:57 GMT -5
Probably you would only want Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby types. Nah, just people who hadn't already made up their minds before hearing all the evidence. Well beings Ill never be on Cosby's jury (If there ever is one) what I say here doesn't matter one whit.
If I did end up on it I would reboot to zero.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 24, 2014 23:05:24 GMT -5
Looks like Ole Bill sowed some... maybe many... wild oats... who hasn't?... not many... maybe you... Your comments disgust me. Drugging people and having sex with them is not "sowing your wild oats". It is rape. Period. It is indefensible. Period. I don't "know" what Cosby did or didn't do... and neither do you... but I do know what "sowing wild oats" means...
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 24, 2014 23:11:59 GMT -5
Probably you would only want Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby types. Nah, just people who hadn't already made up their minds before hearing all the evidence. Like I've told my own wife about some allegations that have been made against me... they'll NEVER prove it to be true... (because it NEVER happened)... but they could get someone to believe it was... (some people will believe anything)... I say just bring it on... put up, or shut up...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 9:20:44 GMT -5
If I ever find myself in court on an unproved charge of indecently assaulting women, I know that I would not want Niamhaine, Cowboyz or vosa on the jury. Well, that's the difference between you and I. If I were serving on a jury, and I have in the past, personal feelings are put aside and I actually take notes on what is being presented so that I can make a fair decision based on what has been investigated and revealed in the courtroom. I feel that is my duty as a juror. Because some of these women were too intimidated to come forward on their own in the past doesn't mean it didn't happen. I don't see where those coming forth now are asking for restitution, they just want their side of the story heard and to serve as a warning to others. And now some gentleman has come forward who was responsible for dispersing checks on Mr. Cosby's behalf to certain young women. Seems like everyone's lying but Bill, he's got nothing to say. And yet, here you have already assumed Cosby to be guilty. I take it that that is what you are referring to as "the difference between you and I"? I too have served on a jury and did not presuppose the defendants guilt or innocence until all the evidence was presented, heard and then debated in the jurors room. This is more of a trial by media and hearsay, I will make no opinion of Cosby's guilt or innocence and frankly, I'm quite disappointed with those that do. One thing I will say though. If Cosby is ever tried fairly in a court of law and found to be guilty then his sentence should be based on the customs and acceptabilities of the days in which the 'crimes' were committed and not in the near hysterical views being displayed today.
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Post by pahunter on Nov 25, 2014 9:28:04 GMT -5
You make no opinion yet you keep talking.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 9:35:21 GMT -5
You make no opinion yet you keep talking. I gave my reasons for not giving an opinion, opine on those reasons if you wish, otherwise , you're just posting belligerently for the sake of it.
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Post by niamhaine on Nov 25, 2014 10:01:37 GMT -5
You make no opinion yet you keep talking. I gave my reasons for not giving an opinion, opine on those reasons if you wish, otherwise , you're just posting belligerently for the sake of it. But you have given an opinion based on assumptions about how three posters, unknown to you personally, would be biased if serving on a jury.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 10:20:58 GMT -5
I gave my reasons for not giving an opinion, opine on those reasons if you wish, otherwise , you're just posting belligerently for the sake of it. But you have given an opinion based on assumptions about how three posters, unknown to you personally, would be biased if serving on a jury. Yes, based on their own opinions, statements and writings declared on this thread, which show clearly that they already have concluded that Cosby is guilty of the historical charges.
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Post by niamhaine on Nov 25, 2014 11:17:52 GMT -5
Well, that's the difference between you and I. If I were serving on a jury, and I have in the past, personal feelings are put aside and I actually take notes on what is being presented so that I can make a fair decision based on what has been investigated and revealed in the courtroom. I feel that is my duty as a juror. Because some of these women were too intimidated to come forward on their own in the past doesn't mean it didn't happen. I don't see where those coming forth now are asking for restitution, they just want their side of the story heard and to serve as a warning to others. And now some gentleman has come forward who was responsible for dispersing checks on Mr. Cosby's behalf to certain young women. Seems like everyone's lying but Bill, he's got nothing to say. And yet, here you have already assumed Cosby to be guilty. I take it that that is what you are referring to as "the difference between you and I"? I too have served on a jury and did not presuppose the defendants guilt or innocence until all the evidence was presented, heard and then debated in the jurors room. This is more of a trial by media and hearsay, I will make no opinion of Cosby's guilt or innocence and frankly, I'm quite disappointed with those that do. One thing I will say though. If Cosby is ever tried fairly in a court of law and found to be guilty then his sentence should be based on the customs and acceptabilities of the days in which the 'crimes' were committed and not in the near hysterical views being displayed today. The "customs and acceptability" of those days were management turning their head and refusing to act even though the laws were in place- been there, done that. Incapacitating someone so you can take sexual advantage of them was a crime then and still is.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 25, 2014 11:33:41 GMT -5
That charge is also still alleged...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 11:38:52 GMT -5
That charge is also still alleged... You know I was groped a couple of times by female assembly line workers in the late 70's, should I seek redress now or will it be best to wait and see if they become rich or famous first?
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Post by The New Sheriff of Rock Ridge on Nov 25, 2014 11:44:44 GMT -5
I believe some of these women chose to spend time with Cosby in hopes that it would help their career or something like that and they didn't get what they expected to get out of it. Now they want "back pay". If I wanted something from someone I certainly wouldn't expect to be drugged or raped to get it and if that were the case.... hell yes I would want PAY BACK!
There is a big difference between sleeping with someone to get something you want and being raped.
I don't dispute that at all, but I also am not convinced that anyone was unknowingly drugged. Maybe they did drugs and slept with him voluntarily, or maybe something else, but it's hard to give credit to anyone who makes these claims decades after it allegedly happened. If I had been drugged or raped, I would be reporting it immediately.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 25, 2014 12:06:41 GMT -5
That charge is also still alleged... You know I was groped a couple of times by female assembly line workers in the late 70's, should I seek redress now or will it be best to wait and see if they become rich or famous first? I was coming down an extension ladder several years ago while talking to a Black woman at the bottom of the ladder... just before I got to the ground she ran her hand up my short pants leg and..... well, I won't tell what she did or what she said... I DID feel the need to report it to my supervisor at the end of the day... for fear that rejection might cause "her" to say the "I" had done something inappropriate... such situations can got either way... That was one of the "3 C's" at Ma Bell... I remember another time I drove up to a house and a woman, when she came out, ran up to me and gave me a huge bear hug and kiss... I hadn't seen her in a long time... her mother-in-law, who lived next door, called in and reported "me"... I could write a book about such instances... some with even more happy outcomes...
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Post by vosa on Nov 25, 2014 13:46:04 GMT -5
If I ever find myself in court on an unproved charge of indecently assaulting women, I know that I would not want Niamhaine, Cowboyz or vosa on the jury. Well then you'd best confine your activities to decently assaulting women.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 14:03:50 GMT -5
If I ever find myself in court on an unproved charge of indecently assaulting women, I know that I would not want Niamhaine, Cowboyz or vosa on the jury. Well then you'd best confine your activities to decently assaulting women. I've never done anything but.
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Post by niamhaine on Nov 25, 2014 14:55:01 GMT -5
That was the era known as the "sexual revolution," you know?... well, maybe you don't... Maybe they thought everybody else was doing the same thingy... and no doubt, many of them likely were... Looks like Ole Bill sowed some... maybe many... wild oats... who hasn't?... not many... maybe you... Very aware of the "sexual revolution", also very aware of the lack of responsibility on the part of management in any number of businesses to adhere to the laws in place at the time. If you were grabbed and pawed over you were supposed to feel oh so grateful that someone thought you were attractive. NEWS FLASH regarding me.... and it still goes today as in those days: I don't give a rotund rodent's rump that anyone thinks I'm the spitting image of Maureen O'Hara (which I most certainly am not). Nothing gives anyone the right to run their hands up my arms, smash me against their chest to cop a free feel, attempt to whisper filth in my ear, or run their hands continually through my hair. I don't care if that person is a multi-millionaire or Joe Schmoe, I have never done ANYTHING to encourage that type of behavior- so leave me alone. I prefer quality to quantity, and am perfectly happy with my "Ginger Celt" that I've known since we were both 12 years old. I'm sure boring to some, but it works for me.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 25, 2014 17:20:17 GMT -5
If I had been drugged or raped, I would be reporting it immediately. Most people would. Now. Back then? Powerful people did what they liked. And powerless people understood that. That drove their actions.
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 25, 2014 17:24:05 GMT -5
Probably you would only want Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby types. Nah, just people who hadn't already made up their minds before hearing all the evidence. How much more evidence do you need? Would *another* dozen women do? Or do you require two dozen more? A hundred? A thousand? It's a rare day where tuning in the news doesn't bring new allegations of this predator's loathsome character to light. Are all those people lying? If so few as a third of them are right, that's still four rapes. There are guys in maximum security prison who have done less.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 17:59:11 GMT -5
Nah, just people who hadn't already made up their minds before hearing all the evidence. How much more evidence do you need? Would *another* dozen women do? Or do you require two dozen more? A hundred? A thousand? It's a rare day where tuning in the news doesn't bring new allegations of this predator's loathsome character to light. Are all those people lying? If so few as a third of them are right, that's still four rapes. There are guys in maximum security prison who have done less. So you are just another who has found Cosby guilty on 'allegations'. You seem to suggest quite simply that more allegations cement 'proof'. Isn't that shaky ground to be standing on for someone who chastises the champ for his 'proof' of alien visitation and assistance in pyramid building? At this point in time Cosby's guilt has exactly the same level of 'proof' as the champs 'aliens' does.
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Post by shutout on Nov 26, 2014 9:11:54 GMT -5
That was the era known as the "sexual revolution," you know?... well, maybe you don't... Maybe they thought everybody else was doing the same thingy... and no doubt, many of them likely were... Looks like Ole Bill sowed some... maybe many... wild oats... who hasn't?... not many... maybe you... Very aware of the "sexual revolution", also very aware of the lack of responsibility on the part of management in any number of businesses to adhere to the laws in place at the time. If you were grabbed and pawed over you were supposed to feel oh so grateful that someone thought you were attractive. NEWS FLASH regarding me.... and it still goes today as in those days: I don't give a rotund rodent's rump that anyone thinks I'm the spitting image of Maureen O'Hara (which I most certainly am not). Nothing gives anyone the right to run their hands up my arms, smash me against their chest to cop a free feel, attempt to whisper filth in my ear, or run their hands continually through my hair. I don't care if that person is a multi-millionaire or Joe Schmoe, I have never done ANYTHING to encourage that type of behavior- so leave me alone. I prefer quality to quantity, and am perfectly happy with my "Ginger Celt" that I've known since we were both 12 years old. I'm sure boring to some, but it works for me. You were a victim of this in the work place?
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Post by paintlady on Nov 26, 2014 9:41:45 GMT -5
yep...we'll just have to wait and see. being a young woman in her 20s in the late 60s and 70s was very trying at times. the worst proposition i got was an executive asking me to give him a blow job in the freight elevator. didn't happen...i thought i was going to throw up right there on the spot. you didn't report ANYTHING to ANYONE back then...the unspoken rule.
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Post by niamhaine on Nov 26, 2014 10:41:29 GMT -5
Very aware of the "sexual revolution", also very aware of the lack of responsibility on the part of management in any number of businesses to adhere to the laws in place at the time. If you were grabbed and pawed over you were supposed to feel oh so grateful that someone thought you were attractive. NEWS FLASH regarding me.... and it still goes today as in those days: I don't give a rotund rodent's rump that anyone thinks I'm the spitting image of Maureen O'Hara (which I most certainly am not). Nothing gives anyone the right to run their hands up my arms, smash me against their chest to cop a free feel, attempt to whisper filth in my ear, or run their hands continually through my hair. I don't care if that person is a multi-millionaire or Joe Schmoe, I have never done ANYTHING to encourage that type of behavior- so leave me alone. I prefer quality to quantity, and am perfectly happy with my "Ginger Celt" that I've known since we were both 12 years old. I'm sure boring to some, but it works for me. S0 you were a victim of this in the work place? Most certainly, and that type of behavior went on in several of the businesses where I worked or had interaction with into the early 90's. I've kneed more than a few groins and scratched up a number of hands (so the little woman at home might raise a few questions) in my time. Any attempt to report it to management was an absolute joke. My husband never knew the extent of it because he would have been down there wanting to knock more than a few skulls. In the one business, which was a large bank, the Federal Government sent people in to interact with fifteen female managers to research the level of equality. I was one of the chosen few. The bank refused to cooperate unless each woman involved was assigned a higher echelon male who was there for any and all interaction with the assigned government employee. In other words, open your mouth about how things really were and you are guaranteed to be in the unemployment line the minute the government leaves. I'm not proud of my not speaking up, but I needed my job and knew I wouldn't be getting another one when word of my snitching started making the banking grapevine rounds. Two of many lessons learned: when starting my career-1) Check it all out before being foolish enough to think you could work overtime in a solitary situation. Found out the hard way there were bigwigs returning from their late afterhours cocktails who scoured the building looking for prey. Of course, I also wonder to this day how they explained the fiche boxes and trays of cancelled checks all over the floor that I was throwing at them so I could grab my purse and escape. I was amazed the next day when I came in and wasn't fired on the spot. and still going on 20 years later-2) Make sure you bring backup (aka potential witnesses) if you are required to spend several days at a self-contained remote training facility in a distant state where the owner/CEO has made it clear he's "interested" even though you have never given him cause for "hope". I slept each night there with a chair wedged under my doorknob. Mr. CEO came each night and knocked on the door, which I did not answer. Jesus Christ, man, I know your wife. Run after the 20 somethings if you must, but leave me alone. I escaped that one with just having my picture splashed on the cover of his yearly magazine as his favorite client of the year. I'll spare you anymore, including some of the more humiliating incidents, other than to say it was absolute insanity. All you want to do is come in and do the best professional job you can, your personal life is just that.
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Post by shutout on Nov 26, 2014 11:08:33 GMT -5
And haven't you mentioned some inappropriate behaviors by family toward you as a child?
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Post by Evil Yoda on Nov 26, 2014 11:33:02 GMT -5
So you are just another who has found Cosby guilty on 'allegations'. You seem to suggest quite simply that more allegations cement 'proof'. Isn't that shaky ground to be standing on for someone who chastises the champ for his 'proof' of alien visitation and assistance in pyramid building? At this point in time Cosby's guilt has exactly the same level of 'proof' as the champs 'aliens' does. Over a dozen women are reporting the same sequence of events with minor variations. That's a whole lot more proof than Ravenchamp's allegations have supporting them. This morning comes a new twist: back in the 80s when he was "America's Dad" he was discovered partying hard. To keep that out of the news he handed reporters sordid details about his daughter's fight against drug and alcohol addiction. Not rape, but a rat bastard thing to do. Several reporters who have written about him recently have come forward to apologize for not digging more deeply into the rape allegations. Evidently, his nature has been an open secret among the entertainment community for awhile now. It's clear that Cosby's best talent was the one no one suspected he had: the ability to fool everyone for decades. He behaves as sociopaths behave. He has dropped from 3 to around 2100 on a list of celebrities people trust - in the same vicinity as Mante T'eo and his fictional girlfriend. And from 5 to around 2100 on a list celebrities people think would make good product pitchmen. He's done, and it's overdue.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 26, 2014 11:43:45 GMT -5
Until more "modern times" the males were the "chasers" and the females were the "chasees"... times have changed... and I know I'll catch hell for saying this... and I know it wouldn't stop all of it... but knowing that males have traditionally been the aggressors, if women would dress more modestly and not go around looking like their clothes are painted on them... (what clothes thy have on them)... it just might eliminate a lot of this aggression... but females want to be looked at... just left alone... hard to fight "nature"...
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