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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 3, 2015 18:51:59 GMT -5
It would permit them to collect up to three years worth of EITC payments, per the IRS. Chuck Grassley is working on legislation to prevent that, but unless that passes and the Idiot-in-Chief signs it, they're going to pick our pockets. Article |
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 3, 2015 19:03:21 GMT -5
It would permit them to collect up to three years worth of EITC payments, per the IRS. Chuck Grassley is working on legislation to prevent that, but unless that passes and the Idiot-in-Chief signs it, they're going to pick our pockets. ArticleDon't put this on the idiot in chief. Sure it's his idea, but he's got a whole team in Congress that's holding the Department of Homeland Security hostage to insure this happens. |
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Post by rocketwolf on Mar 3, 2015 19:24:46 GMT -5
No surprise there, Dems got to buy votes with taxpayers money.
The Democrat party no longer is the party to protect the middle class.
It is now the party is only there to protect government unions and illegal immigrants
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 14:46:16 GMT -5
I don't agree with with the ETIC to begin with... I've made that plain... but if they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?...
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 14:49:41 GMT -5
No surprise there, Dems got to buy votes with taxpayers money. The Democrat party no longer is the party to protect the middle class. It is now the party is only there to protect government unions and illegal immigrants It's NOT just the Democrats... the Republicans support ETIC as well... |
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Post by rentedmule on Mar 4, 2015 15:04:52 GMT -5
I don't agree with with the ETIC to begin with... I've made that plain... but if they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?... EITC is a "negative tax". You know what that means.....right? |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 15:30:54 GMT -5
I don't agree with with the ETIC to begin with... I've made that plain... but if they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?... EITC is a "negative tax". You know what that means.....right? I don't know what "you" mean by it... I do know what you probably mean... and it's likely the same reason I don't like it... care to tell me what you mean without me having me try to guess?... "By definition," we don't have a "negative income tax"... but ETIC is one just the same... |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 4, 2015 15:41:47 GMT -5
I don't agree with with the ETIC to begin with... I've made that plain... but if they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?... Oh, I don't know... because they're here illegally? If you break the law, you shouldn't get good treatment. Giving illegals the same rights as those here legally encourages illegal immigration, which we do not want. We want to *discourage* it. Glad I could help.  |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 15:47:34 GMT -5
I don't agree with with the ETIC to begin with... I've made that plain... but if they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?... Oh, I don't know... because they're here illegally? If you break the law, you shouldn't get good treatment. Giving illegals the same rights as those here legally encourages illegal immigration, which we do not want. We want to *discourage* it. Glad I could help. You didn't "help" me... in fact, I wouldn't have a problem with them telling them no (that they can amend their returns) for that very reason... |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 4, 2015 17:03:33 GMT -5
You didn't "help" me... in fact, I wouldn't have a problem with them telling them no (that they can amend their returns) for that very reason... Someone better. Because you seem really confused about the difference between the law-abiding (including immigrants we want here) and the illegals. |
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Post by rentedmule on Mar 4, 2015 17:57:19 GMT -5
EITC is a "negative tax". You know what that means.....right? I don't know what "you" mean by it... I do know what you probably mean... and it's likely the same reason I don't like it... care to tell me what you mean without me having me try to guess?... "By definition," we don't have a "negative income tax"... but ETIC is one just the same... OK. |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 18:15:54 GMT -5
You didn't "help" me... in fact, I wouldn't have a problem with them telling them no (that they can amend their returns) for that very reason... Someone better. Because you seem really confused about the difference between the law-abiding (including immigrants we want here) and the illegals. Nope... not confused at all... just asked a question... to get some input from other folks... is there some TOS rule against that?... |
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Post by Evil Yoda on Mar 4, 2015 19:38:56 GMT -5
Someone better. Because you seem really confused about the difference between the law-abiding (including immigrants we want here) and the illegals. Nope... not confused at all... just asked a question... to get some input from other folks... is there some TOS rule against that?... Then the answer is: you discourage people from doing illegal things by making it unpleasant and unfair to live that kind of life. |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 19:47:13 GMT -5
Let me ask the question(s) again...
If they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?...
Your "answer" doesn't make anything "unpleasant"... they're just getting a windfall they didn't "expect"... and if the ETIC is strictly based on work done and taxes paid... is it "fair?" to allow it for one worker... but not another...
And we haven't discussed whether or not these individuals had ever filed a return before...
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 4, 2015 19:51:15 GMT -5
Let me ask the question(s) again... If they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?... Your "answer" doesn't make anything "unpleasant"... they're just getting a windfall they didn't "expect"... and if the ETIC is strictly based on work done and taxes paid... is it "fair?" to allow it for one worker... but not another... You mean other than because they're in the country illegally? |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 20:00:03 GMT -5
I don't think that people who are here legally should get the EITC refund...
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 4, 2015 20:10:18 GMT -5
I don't think that people who are here legally should get the EITC refund... I'll agree with you there. But if I read your posts correctly, you seem to think that if citizens collect it, non-citizens should as well. |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 20:25:50 GMT -5
I don't think that people who are here legally should get the EITC refund... I'll agree with you there. But if I read your posts correctly, you seem to think that if citizens collect it, non-citizens should as well. That was the question... not the answer... I just wanted input with regard to both... is it fair for one to work and pay taxes and get it and the other doesn't... regardless of status... it's not only a question of status... but fairness as well... Liken it to a worker driving to work for a year... and it is discovered that he has never had a driver's license... must he forfeit his right to file for EITC because he has been driving illegally?... |
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Post by Ranger John on Mar 4, 2015 20:35:40 GMT -5
I'll agree with you there. But if I read your posts correctly, you seem to think that if citizens collect it, non-citizens should as well. That was the question... not the answer... I just wanted input with regard to both... is it fair for one to work and pay taxes and get it and the other doesn't... regardless of status... it's not only a question of status... but fairness as well... But it's not 'regardless of status' - that's an integral part of the question. If you want the benefits of citizenship/legal residency, you need to follow the process to obtain those. That's not really an apt comparison is it? Not holding a driver's license doesn't preclude you from legally holding a job in this country. Just for kicks though, let's take your example one step further. Let's say your unlicensed driver has been driving to work every day for year and he's a truck driver. Should he even stay out of jail? |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 20:46:27 GMT -5
I was going to suggest the same thing about driving at work... I don't disagree with the Presidents immigration plan... I actually think it's a good one... I have been in favor of the Dream Act for a long time... I do have a problem with EITC... DREAM ACT... This bill would provide conditional permanent residency to certain immigrants of good moral character who graduate from U.S. high schools, arrived in the United States as minors, and lived in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment. If they were to complete two years in the military or two years at a four-year institution of higher learning, they would obtain temporary residency for a six-year period. Within the six-year period, they may qualify for permanent residency if they have "acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or [have] completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States" or have "served in the armed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, [have] received an honorable discharge". |
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Post by redleg on Mar 4, 2015 20:46:47 GMT -5
Oh, I don't know... because they're here illegally? If you break the law, you shouldn't get good treatment. Giving illegals the same rights as those here legally encourages illegal immigration, which we do not want. We want to *discourage* it. Glad I could help. You didn't "help" me... in fact, I wouldn't have a problem with them telling them no (that they can amend their returns) for that very reason... If they are sending in tax returns, the Feds can find them, and ICE should be knocking on their doors to escort each and every one of them to the border. Not giving them tens of thousands of dollars for breaking our laws. The IRS is confiscating bank accounts, for Christ's sake, for no reason other than the owners of those accounts are depositing too little money in them. No charges even made, but the owner of the money has to take the IRS to court to get it back. No penalties for the thieves at the IRS, either. But we can give tens of thousand of dollars to criminal illegals? |
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Post by redleg on Mar 4, 2015 20:47:56 GMT -5
Let me ask the question(s) again... If they have worked here and paid taxes for the last three years... why shouldn't they be able to do it if John Doe, who has been here working and paying taxes for that same period of time, can?... after all, taxes are collected based on wages earned... right?... Your "answer" doesn't make anything "unpleasant"... they're just getting a windfall they didn't "expect"... and if the ETIC is strictly based on work done and taxes paid... is it "fair?" to allow it for one worker... but not another... And we haven't discussed whether or not these individuals had ever filed a return before... Because they had no right to even be here, much less take jobs from Americans. Why should they get rewarded for breaking the law? |
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Post by redleg on Mar 4, 2015 20:49:25 GMT -5
I'll agree with you there. But if I read your posts correctly, you seem to think that if citizens collect it, non-citizens should as well. That was the question... not the answer... I just wanted input with regard to both... is it fair for one to work and pay taxes and get it and the other doesn't... regardless of status... it's not only a question of status... but fairness as well... Liken it to a worker driving to work for a year... and it is discovered that he has never had a driver's license... must he forfeit his right to file for EITC because he has been driving illegally?... Was he here in the country illegally? If not, then no. He paid his taxes for the money he earned, the driving has nothing to do with that. Illegals have no right to work here, or even BE here. |
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Post by redleg on Mar 4, 2015 20:50:25 GMT -5
I was going to suggest the same thing about driving at work... I don't disagree with the Presidents immigration plan... I actually think it's a good one... I have been in favor of the Dream Act for a long time... I do have a problem with EITC... So you agree that criminals should be given benefits for being criminals? |
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Post by aboutwell on Mar 4, 2015 20:55:57 GMT -5
You didn't "help" me... in fact, I wouldn't have a problem with them telling them no (that they can amend their returns) for that very reason... to escort each and every one of them to the border. Not giving them tens of thousands of dollars for breaking our laws. The IRS is confiscating bank accounts, for Christ's sake, for no reason other than the owners of those accounts are depositing too little money in them. No charges even made, but the owner of the money has to take the IRS to court to get it back. No penalties for the thieves at the IRS, either. But we can give tens of thousand of dollars to criminal illegals? I agree with that... as for April 15 last year... but that's what I am getting at,... did they file returns over the last three years... of course one does not really have to file... whether they paid in taxes or not... |
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