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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 20:13:23 GMT -5
This is the plain and simple fact nationwide, this plan is wrong!!! ****************************************************************************** I'm pretty sure the entire purpose of the Democratic party is to create a world full of misery to blame on the GOP. What ?
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 20:55:42 GMT -5
Let's talk about the numbers. 5% may seem an insignificant number, until it's put into perspective. The common number that I'm hearing is that the 5% number equates to 15 million people, which is not an insignificant number of people. It should be noted that nearly all of the 15 million fall rather solidly into the middle class. Not if 25% qualify for Medicaid they don't. 80% of those that have managed to get through the phustercluck of Puppettax's website have signed up for Medicaid. There is no requirement for income to be verified, after all, so why wouldn't they?
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 20:59:05 GMT -5
zen, the 5% in question are people who ALREADY had insurance, and are now losing it. If they could already afford insurance, they're not going to be eligible for Medicaid. And honestly, even if there is are a handful of people wealthy enough to buy private insurance and still qualify for Medicaid, this is NOT a good thing. Comparatively speaking, Medicaid is a lousy substitute for regular insurance. It's anecdotal of course but the two people I know that were dumped are both better off, frankly. What gets offered is a new policy meeting minimum standards at double the existing premium. In the two cases I'm familiar with both were paying 3-400 a month to begin with. Yes, I get your point now. Thought you were referring to the overall percentage of Americans being channeled to Medicaid. BTW, You need to be rock solid poor to qualify for Medicaid. I had to look into it earlier this year regarding a dying relative's estate and was told you had to be down to your last $2,000. That's pretty rock bottom even by republican standards. The paperwork by the way is best described as punishing. The free lunches are meager these days but the need has never been greater. First, not any more. There is no income verification to Puppettax, so most of those "signing up" for Puppettax are actually signing up for Medicaid. It's "free" after all. Second, no one is "better off" when they are having to buy insurance policies for someone else. That's all that makes a current policy "substandard", the fact that it doesn't include everything The Puppet and his Merry Marxists demand that YOU buy for someone else.
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:03:11 GMT -5
Well the left won the last 2 presidential elections- how's that workin' out for you? I didn't vote for Obama last time and still he would've been better then freaking Romney my God and of course the previous ones with good old Sarah ha ha ha ha. It's like you're defending the Washington wizards or something Really? So you think Romney would have wasted $6 trillion in only 5 years? You really think Romney would have destroyed every country in the ME that even pretended to by our ally? You really think Romney would have simply waived his hand and declared unemployment to be 7.3% instead of the 15-18% it really is? Or that Romney would have given billions to "green energy" companies that then went bankrupt within a year of the "loan"? And Palin has proven to have been exactly correct in her assessment of Puppettax. Which is far better than The Puppet or any of his useful idiots have been.
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:04:27 GMT -5
The fact that you didn't vote for him is irrelevant and neither palin nor romney is pres-so what's your point? Unless your happy with the way things are going? Put it this way. I am thrilled that the people that represent you and the other posters in here are not in power. My god that is such a relief. I'm sure it is. If they were, you might actually have a job to go to, instead of sitting on the couch all day, watching Oprah and waiting for your welfare check.
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:07:19 GMT -5
I try to vote for whoever represents my views as close as possible. I don't play games. Too bad Lenin's dead then, isn't it?
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:07:25 GMT -5
Put it this way. I am thrilled that the people that represent you and the other posters in here are not in power. My god that is such a relief. I'm sure it is. If they were, you might actually have a job to go to, instead of sitting on the couch all day, watching Oprah and waiting for your welfare check. Gee where did evil Yoda go. Gleep status for redleg as usual. Just out of curiosity. Where do you right-wingers find these wacky people? Not that I'm saying red leg is necessarily wacky.
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:08:01 GMT -5
I try to vote for whoever represents my views as close as possible. I don't play games. Too bad Lenin's dead then, isn't it? Gleep!
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:08:27 GMT -5
I live in a state full of far right crazies, and they all think that there Libertarian too I see Ron Paul stickers everywhere, yet they elect and reelect repubs. I really think you guys are actually embarrassed to be associated the Republican Party is been in a terrible down spiral ever since George Bush was president. Yes, but then, you would think that Che Guevera was a "crazed Righty"
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:10:24 GMT -5
I live in a state full of far right crazies, and they all think that there Libertarian too I see Ron Paul stickers everywhere, yet they elect and reelect repubs. I really think you guys are actually embarrassed to be associated the Republican Party is been in a terrible down spiral ever since George Bush was president. Yes, but then, you would think that Che Guevera was a "crazed Righty" Gleep!
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:10:48 GMT -5
I'm sorry-is that not what you meant? Perhaps some clarity on your part would help. If my views aren't represented, thankfully according to you, and your views aren't represented then aren't we on the same footing? What have you done to nominate and elect candidates that better represent your views? And unless you're prescient, or terribly presumptive, you have no farking idea of how I voted.....frankly I'd go with the latter. I'm not really sure what is wrong with the right wing party. Whatever you want to call them. I don't know what you guys are doing. So whatever. No maybe you're right maybe both of us aren't represented at all. Maybe we are a mirror of the same thing. I can buy that. The issue with the Republicans is that the leadership is very happy with the status quo, and has no intention of allowing upstart Tea Party members to actually do what they were elected to do, and upset the gravy train.
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:13:40 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what is wrong with the right wing party. Whatever you want to call them. I don't know what you guys are doing. So whatever. No maybe you're right maybe both of us aren't represented at all. Maybe we are a mirror of the same thing. I can buy that. The issue with the Republicans is that the leadership is very happy with the status quo, and has no intention of allowing upstart Tea Party members to actually do what they were elected to do, and upset the gravy train. Praise Jesus!
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:13:50 GMT -5
I'm sure it is. If they were, you might actually have a job to go to, instead of sitting on the couch all day, watching Oprah and waiting for your welfare check. Gee where did evil Yoda go. Gleep status for redleg as usual. Just out of curiosity. Where do you right-wingers find these wacky people? Not that I'm saying red leg is necessarily wacky. Which 'whacky people' are you referring to?
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:15:02 GMT -5
The issue with the Republicans is that the leadership is very happy with the status quo, and has no intention of allowing upstart Tea Party members to actually do what they were elected to do, and upset the gravy train. Praise Jesus! Of course. Can't have people believing they actually know what's best for them, instead of having the government tell them what's best for them, then forcing the people to buy what the government has decided on.
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:15:57 GMT -5
Gee where did evil Yoda go. Gleep status for redleg as usual. Just out of curiosity. Where do you right-wingers find these wacky people? Not that I'm saying red leg is necessarily wacky. Which 'whacky people' are you referring to? The serf puppets.
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:16:31 GMT -5
Of course. Can't have people believing they actually know what's best for them, instead of having the government tell them what's best for them, then forcing the people to buy what the government has decided on. I'm sorry these are the people you choose to hang around with. I don't know anyone like that.
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:25:26 GMT -5
Which 'whacky people' are you referring to? The serf puppets. Ah, Democrats.
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Post by redleg on Nov 8, 2013 21:26:11 GMT -5
Of course. Can't have people believing they actually know what's best for them, instead of having the government tell them what's best for them, then forcing the people to buy what the government has decided on. I'm sorry these are the people you choose to hang around with. I don't know anyone like that. It's really hard to see the horizon when you are stuck in the jungle.
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Post by Moses on Nov 8, 2013 21:27:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry these are the people you choose to hang around with. I don't know anyone like that. It's really hard to see the horizon when you are stuck in the jungle. The jungles of Alaska. Full of serfs and puppets and stuff! Gleep!
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 9, 2013 0:13:36 GMT -5
Cloward-Piven, step 1, almost complete.
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 0:25:52 GMT -5
Cloward-Piven, step 1, almost complete. Could be. What r u gonna do tho? it's almost like a Dr. evil scenario.
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 9, 2013 0:35:56 GMT -5
Cloward-Piven, step 1, almost complete. Could be. What r u gonna do tho? it's almost like a Dr. evil scenario. Ninety nine percent of government is nothing more than additional demonic deviltry that needs to be overcome. One suspects that Obama was well aware that people would be losing their health care insurance plans. With the failure of Obahealthinsurancecare, the next step will be the 'but look here... we have a single payer system (i.e. the Ebeel Debeel Rich paying for the povs to continue with their murder, rape and pillage of Gaia) that you might like.' This is, of course, the end goal, and one would be most remiss if one forgot it while bedazzled by the blazing and blinding failure that Obahealthinsurancecare has become (by design).
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 0:50:20 GMT -5
Could be. What r u gonna do tho? it's almost like a Dr. evil scenario. Ninety nine percent of government is nothing more than additional demonic deviltry that needs to be overcome. One suspects that Obama was well aware that people would be losing their health care insurance plans. With the failure of Obahealthinsurancecare, the next step will be the 'but look here... we have a single payer system (i.e. the Ebeel Debeel Rich paying for the povs to continue with their murder, rape and pillage of Gaia) that you might like.' This is, of course, the end goal, and one would be most remiss if one forgot it while bedazzled by the blazing and blinding failure that Obahealthinsurancecare has become (by design). I suspect that if it is a success in some peoples eyes you still wouldnt consider it a success because of your beliefs. I can agree with that. We will see.
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Post by dsummoner on Nov 9, 2013 1:01:16 GMT -5
Ninety nine percent of government is nothing more than additional demonic deviltry that needs to be overcome. One suspects that Obama was well aware that people would be losing their health care insurance plans. With the failure of Obahealthinsurancecare, the next step will be the 'but look here... we have a single payer system (i.e. the Ebeel Debeel Rich paying for the povs to continue with their murder, rape and pillage of Gaia) that you might like.' This is, of course, the end goal, and one would be most remiss if one forgot it while bedazzled by the blazing and blinding failure that Obahealthinsurancecare has become (by design). I suspect that if it is a success in some peoples eyes you still wouldnt consider it a success because of your beliefs. I can agree with that. We will see. I don't let other people define my positions. Such is the way of the DSummoner for it is the way, that was the way, that will be the way for the Way is what it is. Politics is merely a game. Nothing more and nothing less (sure a few or a few million Meatsacks might get trampled along the way but no one is keeping score on their account). Keeping an eye on the endgame helps to place things in their proper perspective.
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Post by Moses on Nov 9, 2013 1:05:29 GMT -5
I suspect that if it is a success in some peoples eyes you still wouldnt consider it a success because of your beliefs. I can agree with that. We will see. I don't let other people define my positions. Such is the way of the DSummoner for it is the way, that was the way, that will be the way for the Way is what it is. Politics is merely a game. Nothing more and nothing less (sure a few or a few million Meatsacks might get trampled along the way but no one is keeping score on their account). Keeping an eye on the endgame helps to place things in their proper perspective. I meant more you don't like the idea of any kind of socialized medicine so even if it's successful in the supporters eyes it still won't be in yours . I realize you think for yourself!
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