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Post by palealeman on Nov 22, 2017 21:25:28 GMT -5
Let me start, RJ, by reminding you that I spent over 30 years working in criminal justice. I interviewed and interacted with hundreds and thousands of inmates, people sentenced to lengthy periods of incareration for committing serious felonies. Just about every sexual offender I talked with denied committing a crime. Either it was a consentual act or it never happened. That, to me, is where Thomas, Moore, and Trump are. "Never happened." I say, Bull! I think they're guilty as sin. I think they should be in prison, where we keep our animals in cages. I'll give Franken some credit. He apologized for what he did, which is admission. I plead ignorance about Menendez -- I haven't follow his case at all, but I did just see something about a hung jury. I also don't know much about Conyers except for what I read today and heard yesterday -- some sort of settlement with an intern, but details were sketchy. In most of these cases, it comes down to "he said, she said." When I hear what appear to be accurate details weighed against and I didn't do it, I tend to believe the person giving the details. In the most recent cases, at least, though they've come forward 15 or 40 year later, they appear to have no axe to grind nor financial windfall to gain. To my view, this also adds some credibility. In short, get them all out. If you worked in criminal justice, you would know that rape is simultaneously the most under-reported, AND the most falsely reported crime. Women accuse men of sexual harassment as a way to get back at them for perceived slights, or for revenge. It is exceptionally common in divorce cases, and when women get fired. You worked in corrections, with people who had been convicted. Not with people who had merely been accused, trying to sort out actual abuse from people who are just pissed at each other. There is a HUGE difference. Thomas in particular, was accused of nothing more than making off color jokes. His accuser was apparently so un-offended, she followed him to another job. That you would lump him in with even Franken proves you have NO CLUE what you're talking about. Either that, or you have some sort of problem with intelligent, conservative black men. Under reported? OK. False reports? Maybe 8% of reported rapes are false. And you talk of W rape, not all sexual offenses. Have you worked with divorce cases? Do you have experience to back up your claims? You point out that rape is under reported. I think that's what we have here. Girls/women who were abused in some shape or form and who decided not to come forward at the time. Maybe because the perp was a "respected" jurist. Maybe because the perp was so much older than them. Maybe because the perp was a celebrity millionaire. I don't know the reasons, but I believe the women. None of them had anything to gain and almost anything to lose.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 22, 2017 23:51:16 GMT -5
Redleg... you sure must have some good sh!!t to smoke out there in Colorado now that they've made it legal there...
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 23, 2017 8:44:30 GMT -5
If you worked in criminal justice, you would know that rape is simultaneously the most under-reported, AND the most falsely reported crime. Women accuse men of sexual harassment as a way to get back at them for perceived slights, or for revenge. It is exceptionally common in divorce cases, and when women get fired. You worked in corrections, with people who had been convicted. Not with people who had merely been accused, trying to sort out actual abuse from people who are just pissed at each other. There is a HUGE difference. Thomas in particular, was accused of nothing more than making off color jokes. His accuser was apparently so un-offended, she followed him to another job. That you would lump him in with even Franken proves you have NO CLUE what you're talking about. Either that, or you have some sort of problem with intelligent, conservative black men. Under reported? OK. False reports? Maybe 8% of reported rapes are false. And you talk of W rape, not all sexual offenses. Have you worked with divorce cases? Do you have experience to back up your claims? You point out that rape is under reported. I think that's what we have here. Girls/women who were abused in some shape or form and who decided not to come forward at the time. Maybe because the perp was a "respected" jurist. Maybe because the perp was so much older than them. Maybe because the perp was a celebrity millionaire. I don't know the reasons, but I believe the women. None of them had anything to gain and almost anything to lose. And maybe because Trump is Trump, and his accusers are pussy-hat wearing members of “The Resistance”. Leftist women HATE Trump with the white-hot passion of a million suns. It is not surprising that someone willing to do something insane like put on a pussy-hat and go march against Trump because he’s a Republican that beat Hillary would make up crazy accusations too. Taking him down is the greatest dream of liberals everywhere. I don’t need to prove this crap happens. Anyone who followed the Duke Lacrosse case, or the Rolling Stone rape story, or Mattress Girl, or Lena Dunham knows this sort of thing is too often more about politics than reality.
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Post by palealeman on Nov 23, 2017 12:26:31 GMT -5
Which, I guess, RJ, means that you can't handle reality. Unfortunately, people like Trump and Moore are "normalizing" sexual attacks. Like I said earlier, conservative and evangelical values now mean sexual assault is OK.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 23, 2017 12:29:54 GMT -5
Which, I guess, RJ, means that you can't handle reality. Unfortunately, people like Trump and Moore are "normalizing" sexual attacks. Like I said earlier, conservative and evangelical values now mean sexual assault is OK. Sorry, PAM, but Clinton normalized this behavior 20 years ago. You been living under a rock since then?
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Post by palealeman on Nov 23, 2017 12:38:03 GMT -5
I don't think Clinton "normalized" anything. It all became "He said, she said" situations. He was, in fact, impeached for his behavior and, in all probability, should have resigned the Presidency.
Trump and Moore, on the other hand, deny that anything happened, and for you loonies on the right that's all that's needed. The accusers are crazy! Why did they wait so long to come forward?
Rather than investigate to see if anything actually happened, you loonies take the word of the male and completely dismiss the claims of the females. Yet we know that Trump is a liar -- I believe over 1000 documented lies since he's been elected, something like 5 a day -- and yet you believe him. Makes no sense. There should at a minimum be an investigation into the allegations against both him and Moore.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 23, 2017 12:45:19 GMT -5
I don't think Clinton "normalized" anything. It all became "He said, she said" situations. He was, in fact, impeached for his behavior and, in all probability, should have resigned the Presidency. Trump and Moore, on the other hand, deny that anything happened, and for you loonies on the right that's all that's needed. The accusers are crazy! Why did they wait so long to come forward? Rather than investigate to see if anything actually happened, you loonies take the word of the male and completely dismiss the claims of the females. Yet we know that Trump is a liar -- I believe over 1000 documented lies since he's been elected, something like 5 a day -- and yet you believe him. Makes no sense. There should at a minimum be an investigation into the allegations against both him and Moore. Thank you for being an exemplar of the Democrat’s war on women.
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Post by redleg on Nov 23, 2017 15:30:40 GMT -5
Redleg... you sure must have some good sh!!t to smoke out there in Colorado now that they've made it legal there... Not good enough that I missed Comey detailing at least 7 felonies that The Felon committed, then "decided" not to prosecute any of them. At least 3 of her felonies were against national security.
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Post by redleg on Nov 23, 2017 15:34:15 GMT -5
Which, I guess, RJ, means that you can't handle reality. Unfortunately, people like Trump and Moore are "normalizing" sexual attacks. Like I said earlier, conservative and evangelical values now mean sexual assault is OK. No, their accusers are normalizing fake sexual assault or harassment accusations. Neither of them have gone to court, all you have is accusations, by questionable females, from so long ago that no one remembers what was going on. Like Moore being "banned" from some mall for chasing underage females. The manager of the mall says it never happened. But the fake news simply accepted the "reports" and ran with them. Where are the retractions from the LR media? For Pubs, mere accusations are enough to get a candidate thrown under the bus. For Dems, actually murdering a female, rape, sexual assault are all resume enhancers.
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Post by redleg on Nov 23, 2017 15:36:43 GMT -5
I don't think Clinton "normalized" anything. It all became "He said, she said" situations. He was, in fact, impeached for his behavior and, in all probability, should have resigned the Presidency. Trump and Moore, on the other hand, deny that anything happened, and for you loonies on the right that's all that's needed. The accusers are crazy! Why did they wait so long to come forward? Rather than investigate to see if anything actually happened, you loonies take the word of the male and completely dismiss the claims of the females. Yet we know that Trump is a liar -- I believe over 1000 documented lies since he's been elected, something like 5 a day -- and yet you believe him. Makes no sense. There should at a minimum be an investigation into the allegations against both him and Moore. And yet, you are anxious to condemn both Moore and Trump for far less believable accusations. And it's only since Trump that the Party of the KKK has even been willing to admit that Waco Billy Boy did assault women. Regularly. Of course, it's safe now, since both Clintons are pretty much done politically, and they are using their finally admitting their perfidy just so they can turn around and attack Trump.
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Post by palealeman on Nov 23, 2017 15:51:20 GMT -5
I don't think Clinton "normalized" anything. It all became "He said, she said" situations. He was, in fact, impeached for his behavior and, in all probability, should have resigned the Presidency. Trump and Moore, on the other hand, deny that anything happened, and for you loonies on the right that's all that's needed. The accusers are crazy! Why did they wait so long to come forward? Rather than investigate to see if anything actually happened, you loonies take the word of the male and completely dismiss the claims of the females. Yet we know that Trump is a liar -- I believe over 1000 documented lies since he's been elected, something like 5 a day -- and yet you believe him. Makes no sense. There should at a minimum be an investigation into the allegations against both him and Moore. Thank you for being an exemplar of the Democrat’s war on women. If you knew what you were talking about, RJ, you'd realize how wrong you are. It's not the Democrats who are trying to take health care away from millions of women. It's not Democrats who so strongly oppose abortion, who oppose women's reproductive rights, who are opposed to paying for women's health issues. It's not Democrats trying to normalize sexual attacks on women by claiming they never happened and hoping people don't investigate too much. It's' not Democrats trying to make sexual attacks part of conservative values and evangelical values. I'm reminded of that movie line. Truth? You can't handle the truth! But we've knwo that about you for a long time. Wonder how many women you've attacked, since you think it's normal behavior. trying to
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Post by redleg on Nov 23, 2017 16:19:48 GMT -5
Thank you for being an exemplar of the Democrat’s war on women. If you knew what you were talking about, RJ, you'd realize how wrong you are. It's not the Democrats who are trying to take health care away from millions of women. It's not Democrats who so strongly oppose abortion, who oppose women's reproductive rights, who are opposed to paying for women's health issues. It's not Democrats trying to normalize sexual attacks on women by claiming they never happened and hoping people don't investigate too much. It's' not Democrats trying to make sexual attacks part of conservative values and evangelical values. I'm reminded of that movie line. Truth? You can't handle the truth! But we've knwo that about you for a long time. Wonder how many women you've attacked, since you think it's normal behavior. trying to Abortion is not "reproductive rights". It's genocide against blacks, and the murder of human beings on a scale unprecedented in human history. Even your gods, the Communists, couldn't murder that many people. No one "took health care" away from anyone except the Democrats. Puppettax took health insurance away from millions that had it before The Puppet decided that he, and only he, knew what each and every individual in the country needed for health insurance. Today, far more people can't afford insurance than there were before Puppettax. Democrats have not only declared that the attacks never happened, if it came from a Democrat, but actually attacked and destroyed any woman that dared to accuse a Democrat.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 23, 2017 19:38:17 GMT -5
Thank you for being an exemplar of the Democrat’s war on women. If you knew what you were talking about, RJ, you'd realize how wrong you are. It's not the Democrats who are trying to take health care away from millions of women. It's not Democrats who so strongly oppose abortion, who oppose women's reproductive rights, who are opposed to paying for women's health issues. It's not Democrats trying to normalize sexual attacks on women by claiming they never happened and hoping people don't investigate too much. It's' not Democrats trying to make sexual attacks part of conservative values and evangelical values. I'm reminded of that movie line. Truth? You can't handle the truth! But we've knwo that about you for a long time. Wonder how many women you've attacked, since you think it's normal behavior. trying to Here's the truth: you just suggested the cases against Clinton were just he-said-she-said, including, apparently the one that involved the semen stained blue dress. That's a load of crap. Clinton was credibly accused of rape. And you guys were just fine with it, right down to suggestions that women line up to earn their "presidential knee pads." The ONLY reason Democrats have a problem with this behavior now, is because Trump. It is PURELY, AND ONLY partisan, because people like YOU normalized it 20 years ago.. Here's some more truth: NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE PEOPLE'S HEALTH INSURANCE AWAY. That is another LIE being perpetuated by partisans who think dropping the legal requirement that people purchase insurance is the same as taking it away. Or, really, people who can tell the difference, but would rather lie instead because they see the opportunity for partisan gain. More truth: NO ONE IS TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. This is a lie being spread by partisans who want people to pay for other people's abortions against their will. No one has a right to force someone else to pay for their abortion. I'd like to think you were smart enough to understand how fascist this mindset is, but you're not. Weinstein, Clinton, Menendez, Franken, Conyers. All are Democrats. All are sexual predators. Those are just the highlights, there are many more. The latter 3 are all currently serving in Congress, and your party is circling the wagons around them. You're not fooling anyone but yourself and other liberals who only care about partisanship. Stop normalizing rape before you complain about Moore. Moore may get elected, or he may not. He shouldn't be, but until Conyers, Menendez and Franken go, your party is in no position to complain. He fits in perfectly with Menendez, Conyers and Franken.
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Post by bobloblaw on Nov 23, 2017 21:43:21 GMT -5
Alt-Facts
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Post by palealeman on Nov 23, 2017 22:07:58 GMT -5
Oh, RJ, where do you live? What do you read and watch and listen to? How can your thinking be so warped and out of touch with reality?
No one is trying to taka people's health insurance away? Are you serious? There are bills in Congress to cut what's being paid for Medicaid and Medicare. Because of those bills, if they pass, millions of people will lose their health care. Thank you, Republicans. Talk about "compassionate conservatism" (an oxymoron if I ever heard one).
No one wants to take away women's reproductive rights? Read the last paragraph. Look at the Republican attemtps to defund Planned Parenthood, which does primarily health services rather than abortions. Look at the recent Texas laws closing abortion clinics. Look at the climate being pushed by Trump -- women are sexual objects and it's OK to grope them. All the perp has to do is deny that it ever happened. Who's going to believe the woman?
Yes, there are sexual predators who are Democrats. But, guess what, RJ, there are also sexual predators who are Republicans -- starting with the President. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowedge or accept that fact. You show your biased and partisan viewpoint when you refuse to accept the truth . . . but that's to be expected with the right. Welcome to the new normal.
Again, how many women have you sexually abused, since you're so quick to defend the abusers?
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 24, 2017 13:10:10 GMT -5
If you knew what you were talking about, RJ, you'd realize how wrong you are. It's not the Democrats who are trying to take health care away from millions of women. It's not Democrats who so strongly oppose abortion, who oppose women's reproductive rights, who are opposed to paying for women's health issues. It's not Democrats trying to normalize sexual attacks on women by claiming they never happened and hoping people don't investigate too much. It's' not Democrats trying to make sexual attacks part of conservative values and evangelical values. I'm reminded of that movie line. Truth? You can't handle the truth! But we've knwo that about you for a long time. Wonder how many women you've attacked, since you think it's normal behavior. trying to Here's the truth: you just suggested the cases against Clinton were just he-said-she-said, including, apparently the one that involved the semen stained blue dress. That's a load of crap. Clinton was credibly accused of rape. And you guys were just fine with it, right down to suggestions that women line up to earn their "presidential knee pads." The ONLY reason Democrats have a problem with this behavior now, is because Trump. It is PURELY, AND ONLY partisan, because people like YOU normalized it 20 years ago.. Here's some more truth: NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE PEOPLE'S HEALTH INSURANCE AWAY. That is another LIE being perpetuated by partisans who think dropping the legal requirement that people purchase insurance is the same as taking it away. Or, really, people who can tell the difference, but would rather lie instead because they see the opportunity for partisan gain. More truth: NO ONE IS TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. This is a lie being spread by partisans who want people to pay for other people's abortions against their will. No one has a right to force someone else to pay for their abortion. I'd like to think you were smart enough to understand how fascist this mindset is, but you're not. Weinstein, Clinton, Menendez, Franken, Conyers. All are Democrats. All are sexual predators. Those are just the highlights, there are many more. The latter 3 are all currently serving in Congress, and your party is circling the wagons around them. You're not fooling anyone but yourself and other liberals who only care about partisanship. Stop normalizing rape before you complain about Moore. Moore may get elected, or he may not. He shouldn't be, but until Conyers, Menendez and Franken go, your party is in no position to complain. He fits in perfectly with Menendez, Conyers and Franken. "Credibly accused of rape?"... given me a break... Broaddrick is lying... a woman should never go into a hotel room with a horny man and not expect to have some sort of sexual interaction... she went in voluntarily... she participated willingly... till ole Bill got a little rough with her and bit her lip... he got up and walked out... she wasn't kicking and screaming... hell, I can't say I haven't done that a time or two... (or three)... myself... Bill got a lot of nookie in his early years... so did I... ALL consensual... and I've never been accused of rape...
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 24, 2017 13:50:41 GMT -5
Oh, RJ, where do you live? What do you read and watch and listen to? How can your thinking be so warped and out of touch with reality? No one is trying to taka people's health insurance away? Are you serious? There are bills in Congress to cut what's being paid for Medicaid and Medicare. Because of those bills, if they pass, millions of people will lose their health care. Thank you, Republicans. Talk about "compassionate conservatism" (an oxymoron if I ever heard one). No one wants to take away women's reproductive rights? Read the last paragraph. Look at the Republican attemtps to defund Planned Parenthood, which does primarily health services rather than abortions. Look at the recent Texas laws closing abortion clinics. Look at the climate being pushed by Trump -- women are sexual objects and it's OK to grope them. All the perp has to do is deny that it ever happened. Who's going to believe the woman? Yes, there are sexual predators who are Democrats. But, guess what, RJ, there are also sexual predators who are Republicans -- starting with the President. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowedge or accept that fact. You show your biased and partisan viewpoint when you refuse to accept the truth . . . but that's to be expected with the right. Welcome to the new normal. Again, how many women have you sexually abused, since you're so quick to defend the abusers? I live in reality. You, on the other hand, have been spoon fed so much garbage by the left, you can't see what is right in front of you. Let's just look at the list of the accused: Weinstein, Rose, Spacey, Jeffery Tambor, Anthony Weiner, Menendez, Conyers, Franken. The list seems to get longer every day. And Clinton, and the Democrats made ALL of this ok 20 years ago. The GOP has Roy Moore, who increasingly looks like he's going to loose. The idea that this is a Republican problem gets things EXACTLY BACKWARDS. It has become clear that the left has a far more serious problem with predators than the right. Even the accusations against Trump don't reach what Clinton was accused of. Which, of course, you were just fine with. Why do you insist on accusing me of abuse, when you're the one celebrating rape culture? Again, you're displaying your ignorance and raging partisanship on health insurance and abortion. Trying to make abortion clinics live up to the same standards as other similar facilities protects women's health. Don't like it? Kermit Gosnell is what we get when we don't do this. Planned Parenthood is all about abortion. That's the thing that separates them from crisis pregnancy centers and other health clinics, which mostly don't get government funding, and what they do get is a tiny fraction of PP.
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Post by redleg on Nov 24, 2017 15:04:12 GMT -5
Oh, RJ, where do you live? What do you read and watch and listen to? How can your thinking be so warped and out of touch with reality? No one is trying to taka people's health insurance away? Are you serious? There are bills in Congress to cut what's being paid for Medicaid and Medicare. Because of those bills, if they pass, millions of people will lose their health care. Thank you, Republicans. Talk about "compassionate conservatism" (an oxymoron if I ever heard one). No one wants to take away women's reproductive rights? Read the last paragraph. Look at the Republican attemtps to defund Planned Parenthood, which does primarily health services rather than abortions. Look at the recent Texas laws closing abortion clinics. Look at the climate being pushed by Trump -- women are sexual objects and it's OK to grope them. All the perp has to do is deny that it ever happened. Who's going to believe the woman? Yes, there are sexual predators who are Democrats. But, guess what, RJ, there are also sexual predators who are Republicans -- starting with the President. I'm sorry you refuse to acknowedge or accept that fact. You show your biased and partisan viewpoint when you refuse to accept the truth . . . but that's to be expected with the right. Welcome to the new normal. Again, how many women have you sexually abused, since you're so quick to defend the abusers? What, other than buying votes from the serfs, is the exact Article that allows the Feds to have Medicare? Medicaid is a state program. Why is the Federal government involved in the first place? Planned Parenthood is not a health care facility. It's only purpose is to kill as many unborn Americans as possible, mostly black and hispanic babies. It has zero mammogram machines, zero qualified personnel for prenatal services, and zero interest in adoption. It's only purpose is to murder babies, as fast as possible.. The "climate being pushed" is not coming from Trump, but from your masters in the Party of the KKK. Conyers, Franken, Weinstein, "Carlos Danger", are all Democrats. Even Moore was a Democrat when the alleged incidents took place. You and your masters have not only hidden, but supported any number of rapists, gropers, and sexual perverts, and the only reason you and your masters are complaining about it now is because you think it gives you the moral high ground to attack Trump. If Trump hadn't been elected, you wouldn't have heard a peep about any of it, and your rapists would continue their perverted activities unabated. There is zero evidence of Trump abusing any women. Like with Moore, all of the accusations that have come out since the race have been bought and paid for by the Party of the KKK. There i no evidence, just fake news.
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Post by redleg on Nov 24, 2017 15:07:44 GMT -5
Here's the truth: you just suggested the cases against Clinton were just he-said-she-said, including, apparently the one that involved the semen stained blue dress. That's a load of crap. Clinton was credibly accused of rape. And you guys were just fine with it, right down to suggestions that women line up to earn their "presidential knee pads." The ONLY reason Democrats have a problem with this behavior now, is because Trump. It is PURELY, AND ONLY partisan, because people like YOU normalized it 20 years ago.. Here's some more truth: NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE PEOPLE'S HEALTH INSURANCE AWAY. That is another LIE being perpetuated by partisans who think dropping the legal requirement that people purchase insurance is the same as taking it away. Or, really, people who can tell the difference, but would rather lie instead because they see the opportunity for partisan gain. More truth: NO ONE IS TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. This is a lie being spread by partisans who want people to pay for other people's abortions against their will. No one has a right to force someone else to pay for their abortion. I'd like to think you were smart enough to understand how fascist this mindset is, but you're not. Weinstein, Clinton, Menendez, Franken, Conyers. All are Democrats. All are sexual predators. Those are just the highlights, there are many more. The latter 3 are all currently serving in Congress, and your party is circling the wagons around them. You're not fooling anyone but yourself and other liberals who only care about partisanship. Stop normalizing rape before you complain about Moore. Moore may get elected, or he may not. He shouldn't be, but until Conyers, Menendez and Franken go, your party is in no position to complain. He fits in perfectly with Menendez, Conyers and Franken. "Credibly accused of rape?"... given me a break... Broaddrick is lying... a woman should never go into a hotel room with a horny man and not expect to have some sort of sexual interaction... she went in voluntarily... she participated willingly... till ole Bill got a little rough with her and bit her lip... he got up and walked out... she wasn't kicking and screaming... hell, I can't say I haven't done that a time or two... (or three)... myself... Bill got a lot of nookie in his early years... so did I... ALL consensual... and I've never been accused of rape... Of course she is. And all of Moore's accusers are telling the absolute proof. The problem you have is that Broadrick is still accusing him, and has people she told as soon as it happened. She went voluntarily because she thought they were going to talk about the issues she brought up. Not to be raped. Waco Billy Boy got "consensual" sex because he could ruin any woman that turned him down, even to the point of having cops "escort" them to his room. Yet you insist that Moore, who by the way, was a Democrat at the time the accusations accuse him, must be guilty because he's a Pub, and therefore has to be guilty of whatever he's accused of. Even by bought and paid for accusers.
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Post by palealeman on Nov 24, 2017 15:14:40 GMT -5
So again, RJ, little touch with reality. If you were up to date, you'd know that PP provides primarily health care, and abortions are a small part of their business. But why worry about reality when you can live in a bubble by yourself? Proposed cuts to health care -- in the budget that cuts millionaires taxes but ultimately increases the taxes on us little guys -- attack women's health care by eliminating their health care completely. It's just a continuation of the Republican War on Women that's been going on for years. If you're not aware of it or haven't seen it in action, I'd suggest you get you head out of the sand.
And yes, there are a lot of sexual predators, and more and more are being outed every day. But to call it a Democratic or Republican problem reduces it to simple politics. It's not political. I decry it. What bothers me is that you seem to be OK with sexual abuse if it was committed by someone with an R behind his name. Trump -- 8 or 9 victims, but he denies everything so it's OK with you. Moore -- what, 8 or 9 victims, but since it happened so long ago it's OK with you. Clarence Thomas -- unanswered allegations, but since it was so long ago it's OK.
And I haven't accused you of abuse, RJ. But, since you seem OK with it if there's an R behind the name, I've wondered just what you're covering up yourself.
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Post by Ranger John on Nov 24, 2017 16:05:18 GMT -5
So again, RJ, little touch with reality. If you were up to date, you'd know that PP provides primarily health care, and abortions are a small part of their business. But why worry about reality when you can live in a bubble by yourself? Proposed cuts to health care -- in the budget that cuts millionaires taxes but ultimately increases the taxes on us little guys -- attack women's health care by eliminating their health care completely. It's just a continuation of the Republican War on Women that's been going on for years. If you're not aware of it or haven't seen it in action, I'd suggest you get you head out of the sand. And yes, there are a lot of sexual predators, and more and more are being outed every day. But to call it a Democratic or Republican problem reduces it to simple politics. It's not political. I decry it. What bothers me is that you seem to be OK with sexual abuse if it was committed by someone with an R behind his name. Trump -- 8 or 9 victims, but he denies everything so it's OK with you. Moore -- what, 8 or 9 victims, but since it happened so long ago it's OK with you. Clarence Thomas -- unanswered allegations, but since it was so long ago it's OK. And I haven't accused you of abuse, RJ. But, since you seem OK with it if there's an R behind the name, I've wondered just what you're covering up yourself. You won't know reality until it mugs you. Right now, it's only picking your pocket. And, no, you don't decry sexual abuse. You are just fine with Bill Clinton, in spite of his being one of the worst of the bunch. You're hung up on Roy Moore and Trump because they're Republicans, but I've seen not a peep from you about Menendez, who is in court now. Or Conyers, and very little about Franken. I want Moore to go away, but he hasn't even been elected yet. As for Trump, the accusations have their own Wikipedia page here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegationsMost of them are either vague, have been discounted by other people who were there, or amounted to things like being greeted with a hug and a kiss that went on too long. Three went to court: his ex-wife Ivanna accused him of assault during their divorce. She has recanted. This is an example of the sort of behavior I mentioned above that is common during divorce proceedings. The second was Jill Harth, back in 1992 who apparently was working for him "on friendly terms" in 2015. They had been dating at the time of the accusations, and apparently had a bitter breakup, leading to the accusations. The current one is Summer Zevros. Her case is apparently still active, however there is evidence that she is trying to reconnect with Trump because he had been helpful to her. In short, there is A LOT of ambiguity in these accusations.
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Post by redleg on Nov 24, 2017 17:53:21 GMT -5
So again, RJ, little touch with reality. If you were up to date, you'd know that PP provides primarily health care, and abortions are a small part of their business. But why worry about reality when you can live in a bubble by yourself? And yes, there are a lot of sexual predators, and more and more are being outed every day. But to call it a Democratic or Republican problem reduces it to simple politics. It's not political. I decry it. What bothers me is that you seem to be OK with sexual abuse if it was committed by someone with an R behind his name. Trump -- 8 or 9 victims, but he denies everything so it's OK with you. Moore -- what, 8 or 9 victims, but since it happened so long ago it's OK with you. Clarence Thomas -- unanswered allegations, but since it was so long ago it's OK. And I haven't accused you of abuse, RJ. But, since you seem OK with it if there's an R behind the name, I've wondered just what you're covering up yourself. It's funny that you only now, after so many Party of the KKK abusers have been outed, that you are so incensed by it. Had Trump not been elected, you wouldn't say a word, unless it was a Pub that was outed. You are a hypocrite of the first order. As for Planned Parenthood, they don't provide any "health care". Murder of the unborn is all they do. Period. They "refer" women to other facilities for care, something that thousands of other facilities can do, without taxpayer funding. The only reason you want taxpayer funding of PP is to debase and corrupt everyone as badly as the Party of the KKK is corrupted. Forcing everyone to pay for it does that. As for Moore, if he is guilty of what he's accused of, he needs to be gone. However, you ignored Waco Billy Boy's trips on the Lolita Express, his abuse of a 22 year old intern, in the Oval Office, and the fact that there are at least 30 women that claim he abused them. If you take numbers as degree of guilt, Waco Billy Boy is about 4 times as guilty as Moore. And his alleged assaults happened while he was a Democrat. It's only because he's now a Pub that the Party of the KKK is paying women to accuse him.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 24, 2017 18:58:55 GMT -5
"Credibly accused of rape?"... given me a break... Broaddrick is lying... a woman should never go into a hotel room with a horny man and not expect to have some sort of sexual interaction... she went in voluntarily... she participated willingly... till ole Bill got a little rough with her and bit her lip... he got up and walked out... she wasn't kicking and screaming... hell, I can't say I haven't done that a time or two... (or three)... myself... Bill got a lot of nookie in his early years... so did I... ALL consensual... and I've never been accused of rape... Of course she is. And all of Moore's accusers are telling the absolute proof. The problem you have is that Broadrick is still accusing him, and has people she told as soon as it happened. She went voluntarily because she thought they were going to talk about the issues she brought up. Not to be raped. Waco Billy Boy got "consensual" sex because he could ruin any woman that turned him down, even to the point of having cops "escort" them to his room. Yet you insist that Moore, who by the way, was a Democrat at the time the accusations accuse him, must be guilty because he's a Pub, and therefore has to be guilty of whatever he's accused of. Even by bought and paid for accusers. Yeah, I always suggested that the women who wanted to discuss various "issues" with me have that discussion in a hotel room... and all of them said okay... and only one of Moore's accusers accused him of anything illegal... the others only served to establish a pattern of behavior practiced by Moore of running after teenage girls... which was why he was banned from several areas in Gadsden back in the early 70's... and his Party affiliation had nothing to do with it... The women I took to a hotel room were not there to discuss "issues" with me... nor was I there to discuss "issues" with them... we were there to do one thing... and it wasn't to sleep...
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Post by redleg on Nov 24, 2017 20:18:17 GMT -5
Of course she is. And all of Moore's accusers are telling the absolute proof. The problem you have is that Broadrick is still accusing him, and has people she told as soon as it happened. She went voluntarily because she thought they were going to talk about the issues she brought up. Not to be raped. Waco Billy Boy got "consensual" sex because he could ruin any woman that turned him down, even to the point of having cops "escort" them to his room. Yet you insist that Moore, who by the way, was a Democrat at the time the accusations accuse him, must be guilty because he's a Pub, and therefore has to be guilty of whatever he's accused of. Even by bought and paid for accusers. Yeah, I always suggested that the women who wanted to discuss various "issues" with me have that discussion in a hotel room... and all of them said okay... and only one of Moore's accusers accused him of anything illegal... the others only served to establish a pattern of behavior practiced by Moore of running after teenage girls... which was why he was banned from several areas in Gadsden back in the early 70's... and his Party affiliation had nothing to do with it... The women I took to a hotel room were not there to discuss "issues" with me... nor was I there to discuss "issues" with them... we were there to do one thing... and it wasn't to sleep... It was Waco Billy Boy that told the women to come to his room to discuss things. Should they have gone? Probably not. Should he have raped them? Not in a million years, but he did. So, what you are saying is that women that wear short skirts, or go to a politicians room when he says he wants to "discuss things" with them deserved to be raped, and since he's a Democrat, it's no big deal. How many of those women did you tell that you wanted to discuss union issues with them? How many of them were expecting discussions of issues and not sex? I guess you don't see the difference. No one can find the slightest bit of evidence that he was banned from anywhere. Gossip, 'I seem to remember something about..." is all you've got. The "others" were the pattern. No assault, no harassment, certainly no rape. The one accuser that claims she was underage when he "assaulted" her has serious credibility issues. Timelines, for one. He was the judge in her mother's divorce settlement. She was sent to live with her father because she already had "discipline issues". He would have had less than 3 weeks to accomplish all she claims. And given that sexual assault creates discipline issues in most females, especially ones that young, you would think she would have even worse ones than she had before. She didn't. In fact, she was given into the custody of her mother later on, because her discipline issues had declined significantly. And the yearbook "signature" appears to have been forged.
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Post by aboutwell on Nov 24, 2017 20:51:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I always suggested that the women who wanted to discuss various "issues" with me have that discussion in a hotel room... and all of them said okay... and only one of Moore's accusers accused him of anything illegal... the others only served to establish a pattern of behavior practiced by Moore of running after teenage girls... which was why he was banned from several areas in Gadsden back in the early 70's... and his Party affiliation had nothing to do with it... The women I took to a hotel room were not there to discuss "issues" with me... nor was I there to discuss "issues" with them... we were there to do one thing... and it wasn't to sleep... It was Waco Billy Boy that told the women to come to his room to discuss things. Should they have gone? Probably not. Should he have raped them? Not in a million years, but he did. So, what you are saying is that women that wear short skirts, or go to a politicians room when he says he wants to "discuss things" with them deserved to be raped, and since he's a Democrat, it's no big deal. How many of those women did you tell that you wanted to discuss union issues with them? How many of them were expecting discussions of issues and not sex? I guess you don't see the difference. No one can find the slightest bit of evidence that he was banned from anywhere. Gossip, 'I seem to remember something about..." is all you've got. The "others" were the pattern. No assault, no harassment, certainly no rape. The one accuser that claims she was underage when he "assaulted" her has serious credibility issues. Timelines, for one. He was the judge in her mother's divorce settlement. She was sent to live with her father because she already had "discipline issues". He would have had less than 3 weeks to accomplish all she claims. And given that sexual assault creates discipline issues in most females, especially ones that young, you would think she would have even worse ones than she had before. She didn't. In fact, she was given into the custody of her mother later on, because her discipline issues had declined significantly. And the yearbook "signature" appears to have been forged. Yeah, I always told the women who wanted to discuss "issues" with me that we talk about them in a hotel room somewhere... instead of my office... I told them to wear something sexy when they came... just in case something else "came up"... naturally, all of them agreed... And Moore was indeed banned from several areas in Gadsden back then... several people living in Gadsden at that time have confirmed that... I lived in north Alabama myself back in 1967...
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